THAT LIGHT LANCE.
THAT LIGHT LANCE.
More like a light Broadsword but still :hyper
Looks like a star wars movie. :yeshrug not really interested in troopera or the empire anymore.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OMOVFvcNfvE
WHO CARES
:hyper
Well, it will be a vastly different universe than the EU that was... given how bad they mucked it up, that's fine, I suppose.
But yeah, looks like loads of Stormtroopers on Tattooine 30 years after Death Star II... which is odd... and Boyega is playing or is just impersonating a Stormtrooper, Isaac is a Rebellion (or New Republic) fighter pilot? Neat. Will look forward to finding out more about the new folks.
I'm surprised they went with this instead of another full reboot (of course the latter takes more effort and talent). The 'remnants of the empire' storylines were always the most boring stuff in the expanded universe they decided to destroy, not sure why they're going with this apart from a need to shoehorn all the old characters from the first movies in. I'm sure it'll be a decent action flick since the Star Treks were alright, but as someone who considers himself a pretty big star wars guy the whole setting of this movie doesn't get me hype.
Hopefully this means we can start getting more star wars games this time :rejoice battlefront soon come
Well, it will be a vastly different universe than the EU that was... given how bad they mucked it up, that's fine, I suppose.
But yeah, looks like loads of Stormtroopers on Tattooine 30 years after Death Star II... which is odd... and Boyega is playing or is just impersonating a Stormtrooper, Isaac is a Rebellion (or New Republic) fighter pilot? Neat. Will look forward to finding out more about the new folks.
EU went to shit right around the Vong invasion. What the BLUE FUCK was that all about.
OMG brehs intelligent plants are coming. Oh yeah and the force doesn't work...except it does...except it doesn't...chewbacca is dead....fuck you.
I quit at the Vong stuff, too. I've read plot summaries - it certainty didn't get better afterwards.
INDEED DONT CAREThis x 1000. However I found it interesting that they presented a storm trooper sans a helmet. Weren't these guys supposed to be nameless, faceless replicants? Is this bugger going to get into some shit?
LIGHT BROADSWORD
:hyper
EU was and always has been trash. The only good star wars stuff is the original movies.
Timothy Zahn = no, fuck you.
INDEED DONT CAREThis x 1000. However I found it interesting that they presented a storm trooper sans a helmet. Weren't these guys supposed to be nameless, faceless replicants? Is this bugger going to get into some shit?
LIGHT BROADSWORD
:hyper
INDEED DONT CAREThis x 1000. However I found it interesting that they presented a storm trooper sans a helmet. Weren't these guys supposed to be nameless, faceless replicants? Is this bugger going to get into some shit?
LIGHT BROADSWORD
:hyper
Bet the white girl falls in love with the black guy, oy vey
Seriously though, the best part of the SW universe was the possibilities, and that's why i kept buying the games and occasional book / comic as a kid. Like, what kind of weird ass aliens will be on this planet. What strange part of the jedi/force will this story reveal? What kind of society is on this planet? Cool new ships/gadgets? Because for me the actual stories werent very good, it's why (IMO) SW translates so well to games, the visual and exploration aspect made it perfect for games like KotoR and Jedi Knight.
So when you see tie fighters, the millenium falcon, tatooine, stormtroopers, x-wings and you know there's a recycled cast coming (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/manny.png)
gimmicky bullshit.
I like the broadsword saber but when you think about it, the point of a broadsword crossguard is to avoid getting your hand fucked up. But if you're a jedi or sith, you're capable of blocking laser shots with your eye closed, why would you need protection of any kind lol.
But fuck it, looks cool to me.
I like the broadsword saber but when you think about it, the point of a broadsword crossguard is to avoid getting your hand fucked up. But if you're a jedi or sith, you're capable of blocking laser shots with your eye closed, why would you need protection of any kind lol.
But fuck it, looks cool to me.
Because the light saber offers zero protection to the hand and we've seen two hands cut off in the series from them? It actually makes a lot of sense but nerds gotta wah wah
writing>directing
It's not going to be hard to find someone with a nice visual eye for space shit, made even easier due to Abrams already having guidelines down for practical effects. It's harder to get a script that isn't distinguished mentally-challenged. However as I said, there's no way it'll be worse than Lucas' dialogue so I'm cool.
I like the broadsword saber but when you think about it, the point of a broadsword crossguard is to avoid getting your hand fucked up. But if you're a jedi or sith, you're capable of blocking laser shots with your eye closed, why would you need protection of any kind lol.
But fuck it, looks cool to me.
Because the light saber offers zero protection to the hand and we've seen two hands cut off in the series from them? It actually makes a lot of sense but nerds gotta wah wah
3 times- Count Dookie had his hands cut off in the last prequel.
No Adam Driver :(pretty sure he's the narrator, and I'm somewhat sure he's the sith-lookin fella
when the emperor came to power, he realized that an army of strictly clones wouldn't cut galactic imperialism, and decided to recruit regular joe shmoes as well via local indoctrination and training facilities
I'm sad I know that
So, I think the lightsaber looks cool
So, I think the lightsaber looks cool and all, but, I do want to point out that you couldn't actually use those sidesabers to block like a crossguard.
The little hilt nubs stick out near the top of the main hilt. Those aren't made of energy. A lightsaber would cut right through them. You strike blades with him, and then you just bring your blade down, and then no more "crossguard," leaving sith-y with a fairly broken, maybe still functional, pretty standard lightsaber with a grip that you'd better be very careful with lest you stick it into the beam.
BUUUUUT. Could be very useful in all those close quarter Jedi / Sith and / or Dark Jedi fights when they're striking sabers and grunting at each other, because then all of a sudden you can have your hilt spring a lightsaber into their face.
It's funny that the standard for both Wars and Trek is now "please just give us something we can watch, dear god".
We're getting new characters and I'm sure we'll get new worlds too. This first film most likely just a bridge. You bring them in with some thing(s) old before you hit them with something new. A spoon full of sugar and all that. I'm optimistic about the next films (and this one!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng&sns=fb
Here's a quick reference image for one segment of that trailer that might be confusing:
(http://i.imgur.com/HrBcJvv.png)
Here's a quick reference image for one segment of that trailer that might be confusing:
(http://i.imgur.com/HrBcJvv.png)
I don't get it. Why did he add the additional rocks?
Because R2-D2 is supposed to be hiding. Thats how you make it obvious that he's hiding.Here's a quick reference image for one segment of that trailer that might be confusing:
(http://i.imgur.com/HrBcJvv.png)
I don't get it. Why did he add the additional rocks?
(http://i.imgur.com/TeFnLjn.jpg)
Gallery:
http://imgur.com/a/kbOh0
I thought MI3 was the best of the series. Probably one of my favorite movies that year.I think pretty much all the MI movies are ok.
itt nostalgiafags
looks like horseshite, brehs
:gurl
All that Clone Wars era shit was so fucking bad and pointless.
Like i said the best shit that came from star wars besides the movies were the games. The tie fighter sim, shadows of the empire, jedi knight series, kotor, battlefront :rejoice
LucasArts (http://i.imgur.com/WzD6Psq.png)
:lol @ dudes losing their shit on a small detail in a sci fi fantasy series with way more baffling things in it.
George Lucas hasn't seen the new trailer for "Star Wars: The Force Awakens."
Maybe he's boycotting it over the lack of Gungans and bad dialogue.
As Rolling Stone points out, the trailer has been viewed more than 60 million times on YouTube since it was posted Nov. 28.
But none of those views was by the "Star Wars" creator.
When asked by the New York Post what he thought of the long-awaited trailer, Lucas said, "I don't know anything about it. I haven't seen it yet."
Come on ... really?
The newspaper also reportedly asked Lucas if he was curious about J.J. Abrams' vision for the film. Lucas said "Not really."
He's probably mad about Abrams "no Ewoks" policy.
Lucas explained he hasn't seen the trailer "because it's not in the movie theater. I like going to the movies and watching the whole thing there. I plan to see it when it's released."
So, a man who creates, arguably, the most popular and greatest sci-fi franchise in film history, then turns it over to someone else, isn't chomping at the bit to see what the other guy is doing with it? He wants to wait a year to see it on a bigger screen, when he can just dial it up in a moment of boredom?
I don't think so.
I don't know anything about it.
QuoteI don't know anything about it.
Best Star Wars news yet.
QuoteI don't know anything about it.
Best Star Wars news yet.
Well, I guess we'll just wait for you to create a better universe and plot then. Should we get a coffee or will you be able to conjure this up quickly?
:ufup
QuoteI don't know anything about it.
Best Star Wars news yet.
Well, I guess we'll just wait for you to create a better universe and plot then. Should we get a coffee or will you be able to conjure this up quickly?
:ufup
:gurl
God forbid I be glad the man who created the entire goddamn story not be involved in this movie.
Think about it this way.
Would you rather have Lucas involved and meddling in the new shit ( :holeup ), or have him like this, as hands off and disinterested as possible?
QuoteI don't know anything about it.
Best Star Wars news yet.
Well, I guess we'll just wait for you to create a better universe and plot then. Should we get a coffee or will you be able to conjure this up quickly?
:ufup
:gurl
God forbid I be glad the man who created the entire goddamn story not be involved in this movie.
Fixed that for you since your memory is about as long as your dick apparently.
QuoteI don't know anything about it.
Best Star Wars news yet.
Well, I guess we'll just wait for you to create a better universe and plot then. Should we get a coffee or will you be able to conjure this up quickly?
:ufup
:gurl
God forbid I be glad the man who created the entire goddamn story not be involved in this movie.
Fixed that for you since your memory is about as long as your dick apparently.
So because he started the series he gets an automatic pass for doing more harm to the franchise than good?
:umad
Apparently creation is a prerequisite for legitimate criticism, dudes.
Apparently creation is a prerequisite for legitimate criticism, dudes.
Easy to pick on the guy who built the car when all you do is drive it, breh.
Apparently creation is a prerequisite for legitimate criticism, dudes.
Easy to pick on the guy who built the car when all you do is drive it, breh.
If I could undrive the prequels I absolutely would.
Apparently creation is a prerequisite for legitimate criticism, dudes.
Easy to pick on the guy who built the car when all you do is drive it, breh.
If I could undrive the prequels I absolutely would.
God I hope not but the potential for JJ to make you miss George is larger than you think. I look forward to a tremendous amount of lens flares though.
Nerds.
Nerds.
Considering the trailer looks like a soulless carbon copy of the originals for bitter nostalgics I see no reason Lucas should need to weigh in. "Gee, I guess it looks like a movie I made in the 70s". Abrams :picard
QuoteI don't know anything about it.
Best Star Wars news yet.
Well, I guess we'll just wait for you to create a better universe and plot then. Should we get a coffee or will you be able to conjure this up quickly?
:ufup
:gurl
God forbid I be glad the man who created the entire goddamn story not be involved in this movie.
Fixed that for you since your memory is about as long as your dick apparently.
The sith guy seems to be Irish. Kyle O'Ren...henceforth known as Darth Shamrock?
I can't help but feel that the Clone Wars were like the monster in a horror movie: it's far more effective if you don't get too many details about actually what it is.
Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you’re probably aware that Star Wars: The Force Awakens, J.J. Abrams’s continuation of the Star Wars story, will hit theaters late next year, and there are several other planned Star Wars films by Rian Johnson (Looper), Gareth Edwards (Godzilla), and Josh Trank (Chronicle). An email dated September 20, 2014, from Michael De Luca, President of Production for Columbia Pictures, to Amy Pascal discusses the plans for Disney’s upcoming Star wars films—and may have spilled some interesting new details.
“Star Wars: Any studio would have lost josh trank and rian Johnson to this, it's freaking Star Wars. Your After Earth writer Gary Whitta is writing Gareth Edwards stand alone Star Wars film. Simon Kinberg is writing Josh Tranks. No one knows what they're about but Boba Fett is rumored to be the subject of one. Rian Johnson as you know is doing the main ones, episodes 8 and 9 of the Luke and Leia story lines, after JJ. Not sure anything is gained by looking at what Lucasfilm is doing except we are stalking all these people too, except Whitta whom I think blows.”
Come on, the guy is still early in his film career and he's already been nominated! (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1729428/awards?ref_=nm_awd) Buncha haters. :beli
Book of Eli was pretty entertaining up to the twist. That was garbage
Thera ended up having a shitty show on MSNBC, who cares
:yeshrug
Disney ditched my ideas for 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens,' George Lucas says (http://www.cnet.com/news/george-lucas-says-disney-ditched-his-ideas-for-star-wars-the-force-awakens/#ftag=YHF65cbda0)
The creator of "Star Wars" says Disney "didn't really want" to use his ideas and came up with something new instead.
"Star Wars" creator George Lucas may have relinquished control of his space-faring franchise when he sold the rights to Disney back in 2012, but those wondering how much of the director's influence will find its way into the plot of the upcoming seventh installment may now have an answer -- not much.
Following comments that he had started to craft some ideas for a new "Star Wars" trilogy before Lucasfilm was acquired, Lucas was asked in an interview with Cinema Blend published Tuesday to divulge some of the ideas he had cooked up for new "Star Wars" material.
"Well, the ones that I sold to Disney and everything, they came up to the decision that they didn't really want to do those," Lucas told Cinema Blend. "So they made up their own. It's not the ones that I originally wrote."
There will doubtless be many sci-fi fans claiming relief at the news that Lucas' ideas won't be making it into "Star Wars: The Force Awakens", which is scheduled for release in December. Widespread criticism of the CGI-heavy prequel trilogy that arrived between 1999 and 2005 has seen Lucas' cachet within the geek community drop. This even led to viral hits such as a mocking rework of the first "Force Awakens" trailer that imagines what the new film could look like with Lucas in the driving seat.
Are "Star Wars" fans altogether too eager to give Lucas a hard time though? I'd argue that while there's little to redeem the prequel movies, Lucas is the father of the "Star Wars" universe beloved by so, so many. It's his world we're daydreaming in when we spend long, dull meetings imagining epic lightsaber battles, or spicing up a boring commute with some Duel of the Fates. If I was in Disney's position, I would have thought long and hard before casting aside any ideas that poured directly out of Lucas' grey matter.
Now we'll never know how Darth McPoopyPants was ever going triumph against Snoo Snoo the lovable apelike monster!Yeah, when GL started letting his kids name characters in the Prequels, and then made everyone someone else’s father, including See-Threepio, I was like:
Never forget.
http://youtu.be/bD7bpG-zDJQ
I'm kind of blown away by how bad The Phantom Menace's trailer looks compared to how I remembered it.
I'm not even bothering to temper my expectations, I'm just gonna get hype as fuck and let the chips fall where they may. :lucas
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:lawdlol pretty much.
That last shot gave me a big ass smile. I'm in.
Should be Admiral Daala tbh
Wow, spoilers tags please. Mods help?STAR WAR EPISODE 7:
THE LAST NEW HOPE AGAIN
you ruined it
Han roughly grabbed Luke's lightsaber and turned it on, extending it to its full length.
"Is this your first time?" Han asked.
"Yes," Luke breathed huskily.
"It might hurt a bit..."
Han thrust the saber into Luke's backside.
"Use some Force, Han!" Luke shouted.
Chewey stood off to the side and uttered a wookie cry.
Han roughly grabbed Luke's lightsaber and turned it on, extending it to its full length.
"Is this your first time?" Han asked.
"Yes," Luke breathed huskily.
"It might hurt a bit..."
Han thrust the saber into Luke's backside.
"Use some Force, Han!" Luke shouted.
Chewey stood off to the side and uttered a wookie cry.
And if you've seen the movie, you know Anakin's "mindful" move is to hide in the cockpit of a working starfighter and immediately bumble into the war. Which seems like a great time to remind you: If you ate a pound of shredded newspaper, your shit would write a better movie than The Phantom Menace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQxrJBNQg4A
Real talk: I love podracing. Sebulba is mai husbando. :uguu
Still could never get over the fact that Anakin built his mom, a slave, a walking google translator. How about a fukin dishwasher? :neogaf
Better be talking about this, especially since you didn't make a thread for Lenin's birthday:
(http://pics.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/937525914-00.jpg)
Better be talking about this, especially since you didn't make a thread for Lenin's birthday:
(http://pics.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/937525914-00.jpg)
Also highlights how small Lucas kept making the world in order to capitalize on existing characters. Storm troopers? They're all clones of Boba Fett's dad!Still could never get over the fact that Anakin built his mom, a slave, a walking google translator. How about a fukin dishwasher? :neogaf
Anakin being C3PO's creator never made a bit of sense.
Looks like Rogue One is going to about the rebel spies who stole the Death Star plans.
I like it for making the robots seem like assholes by never mentioning any of it to Luke.
I like it for making the robots seem like assholes by never mentioning any of it to Luke.
Pretty sure they get their memories wiped at some point.
It was explicitly stated in the movies that Bail Organa had Threepio's memory wiped.Oh, shit, you’re right. I remember it now from Ep. III, when they’re expositioning like mad to get the twins away and safe. Man, that was goofy and awkward.
http://www.cracked.com/article_22320_6-weird-ways-star-wars-had-us-rooting-psychopaths.htmlQuoteAnd if you've seen the movie, you know Anakin's "mindful" move is to hide in the cockpit of a working starfighter and immediately bumble into the war. Which seems like a great time to remind you: If you ate a pound of shredded newspaper, your shit would write a better movie than The Phantom Menace.
:dead
Apparently, being stupid in the Star Wars universe is a serious enough crime that your free will can be taken from you by some dick wizard.
So fucked up how they have to be like "hey guys look practical fx! Live sets!"
I wasn't huge into star wars as a kid but one thing I did like about it is how worn-in and grimy a lot of the settings were. even spaceships felt lived-in. that was completely lacking from the hyper-polish of the prequels.So fucked up how they have to be like "hey guys look practical fx! Live sets!"
I think it's super awesome. I am not even lying. Watching any part of the prequels and seeing how much of it is just copious, unnecessary green screen garbage, it's just frustrating to see how far George let himself fall from what worked in the original movies. These things are going to be a nostalgia-fest, and I guess I'm OK with that for Star Wars.
https://youtu.be/CTNJ51ghzdY
I wasn't huge into star wars as a kid but one thing I did like about it is how worn-in and grimy a lot of the settings were. even spaceships felt lived-in. that was completely lacking from the hyper-polish of the prequels.So fucked up how they have to be like "hey guys look practical fx! Live sets!"
I think it's super awesome. I am not even lying. Watching any part of the prequels and seeing how much of it is just copious, unnecessary green screen garbage, it's just frustrating to see how far George let himself fall from what worked in the original movies. These things are going to be a nostalgia-fest, and I guess I'm OK with that for Star Wars.
Incidentally, if you watch ANH and ESB back to back, the visual upgrades in Empire are mind-blowing. Everything looks 1000% better.
I wasn't huge into star wars as a kid but one thing I did like about it is how worn-in and grimy a lot of the settings were. even spaceships felt lived-in. that was completely lacking from the hyper-polish of the prequels.So fucked up how they have to be like "hey guys look practical fx! Live sets!"
I think it's super awesome. I am not even lying. Watching any part of the prequels and seeing how much of it is just copious, unnecessary green screen garbage, it's just frustrating to see how far George let himself fall from what worked in the original movies. These things are going to be a nostalgia-fest, and I guess I'm OK with that for Star Wars.
George said that was because the republic was in good shape back then and everything was colorful and new.
:jawalrus
I dont even know if youre kidding :(
https://youtu.be/CTNJ51ghzdY
https://youtu.be/CTNJ51ghzdY
That got me pretty hyped, I'm not gonna fucking lie. Looks way more like Star Wars than Abrams Trek movies looked like Trek.
https://youtu.be/CTNJ51ghzdY
Georgie Lucas can say whatever he wants; he's lying. He lucked into something great, and was smart enough to get Kasdan to help with Empire, but then fumbled that relationship prior to Return, and it shows.I wasn't huge into star wars as a kid but one thing I did like about it is how worn-in and grimy a lot of the settings were. even spaceships felt lived-in. that was completely lacking from the hyper-polish of the prequels.So fucked up how they have to be like "hey guys look practical fx! Live sets!"
I think it's super awesome. I am not even lying. Watching any part of the prequels and seeing how much of it is just copious, unnecessary green screen garbage, it's just frustrating to see how far George let himself fall from what worked in the original movies. These things are going to be a nostalgia-fest, and I guess I'm OK with that for Star Wars.
George said that was because the republic was in good shape back then and everything was colorful and new.
:jawalrus
None of the stuff JJ has done is great. Most of it is in the "solid" genre work category. So that's what I'm expecting.Am I the only person who really liked MI: 3 ?
Am I the only person who really liked MI: 3 ?
That's a really shitty cut job :lol
And this one is missing half her head. Common dude, step it up.
Never seen a single MI movie.
Never seen a single MI movie.
The first film is somewhat of a small classic (despite what other posters might think, apparently) and probaby the only film in the franchise to have a somewhat elegant look thanks to De Palma.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMUlihrWIAE7l4m.jpg
(http://i.imgur.com/pKvr2pq.gif)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMUlihrWIAE7l4m.jpg
(http://i.imgur.com/pKvr2pq.gif)
Is... is that Krugman?
Maybe one day Disney can scrap this from canon
And release a HD ep4-6 without all the remaster crap
Probably be better than Star Wars 7.I think there's a decent chance of that. I'll even wager that it'll make more money globally then SWVII. I mean, Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen, this thing is gonna make stupid cash in China. Prolly coast off the positive reception to Force Awakens and have the benefit of being made by a better filmmaker then JJ Abrams (current gen competent craftsman with good luck, today's John Badham lets say).
Bet you anything they'll release HD theatrical cut blu rays after the first new movie drops. It's stupid easy money. The only thing stopping it before was GL's ego.I thought whats stopping it now is Disney Vs FOX?
Is there a reason there hasn't been a single mention of the Episodes number in all PR for Force Awakens?
Bet you anything they'll release HD theatrical cut blu rays after the first new movie drops. It's stupid easy money. The only thing stopping it before was GL's ego.I thought whats stopping it now is Disney Vs FOX?
(I mean, Mission to Mars wasn't that terrible, right guys, guys?).
Nah everyone hates jar jar.
Watching episode 3 now. Last 1.5 hour.
Haters might hate but except for the shitty acting and script this is a good star wars
Way darker then the pansy ones
What was it like two decades? And he only really did it for the cash, which he definitely got. I understand the hate, especially going back and altering the originals. But in retrospect the prequels were destined to suck.Apparently it wasn't just cash, but the terms of his divorce. His ex-wife was able to lay claim to a portion of any Star Wars profits for a period of time which ended just before Lucas announced the Prequels were starting production. According to a friend who has researched a great deal about Lucas, it was literally down to the same month that the ex-wife's claim had expired.
I don't think the prequels sucked because Lucas didn't give a shit, or even that he stopped directing films. As I've said before the prequels feel more corporate outings than films. They're soulless tech demos in which the creative process is directly influenced by researched marketing strategies. Directing becomes less of an artistic expression than essentially being a CEO, cutting costs and maximizing profits.
What was it like two decades? And he only really did it for the cash, which he definitely got. I understand the hate, especially going back and altering the originals. But in retrospect the prequels were destined to suck.Apparently it wasn't just cash, but the terms of his divorce. His ex-wife was able to lay claim to a portion of any Star Wars profits for a period of time which ended just before Lucas announced the Prequels were starting production. According to a friend who has researched a great deal about Lucas, it was literally down to the same month that the ex-wife's claim had expired.
That comes back to the point I made earlier, that at some point Lucas became more concerned with the Star Wars franchise as a profit-making machine rather than a creative endeavor; the filmmaker got replaced by the brand manager. And since he was the writer, director, producer, and owner there wasn't anyone who could step in and say "Hey, we should focus on making a really good movie first."
You can even see this a little bit in Return of the Jedi, where the original plan to have wookies got scrapped in favor of kid-friendly, more-marketable ewoks.
Lately when I get the urge to re-watch the Prequels, I just watch the RedLetterMedia extended reviews of them.
I disagree. The way those prequels suck don't feel like marketing strategies. The movie doesn't feel focus grouped. No focus group would come up with those plots or situations.
(...)
I think the commercial imperative can co-exist with the creative imperative but you have to have some talent and some backbone, and some integrity and honesty. I think Lucas was deficient in those areas by the time it came to make those movies.
TLDR: I think he legit thought those prequels were good movies. Which goes to show how out of touch he was.
Lately when I get the urge to re-watch the Prequels, I just watch the RedLetterMedia extended reviews of them. The Prequels are really poorly structured.
Lucas was quoted as saying during The Phantom Menace production that, as the first new Star Wars movies in over 10 years, people should pay him to work on the movies.
Lately when I get the urge to re-watch the Prequels, I just watch the RedLetterMedia extended reviews of them. The Prequels are really poorly structured.
Lucas was quoted as saying during The Phantom Menace production that, as the first new Star Wars movies in over 10 years, people should pay him to work on the movies.
I remember in the RLM review of Phantom Menace, they mentioned something about how at some point near the end of production when Lucas showed the studio his final cut, they pointed out that he had 4 different plots going on at the end (space battle, ground battle, etc) and that it would be hard for the audience to keep interested in it all.
Sandpeople on the other hand :rock
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNgrLqjWEAQ5J96.jpg:large)
:dead
First the racists and now the sexists, Star Wars really does appeal to everyone!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNgrLqjWEAQ5J96.jpg:large)
:dead
First the racists and now the sexists, Star Wars really does appeal to everyone!
The armor needs prominent boob plates, otherwise I won't know if the character is a woman or not.
http://www.cracked.com/article_22906_6-dumb-aspects-original-star-wars-trilogy-you-forgot.html
A Mods Help post that I strongly agree with. :ohhh
A Mods Help post that I strongly agree with. :ohhh
Careful, soon you'll be jacking it to lolis and defending Jared Fogle.
Implying he doesn't already.
A Mods Help post that I strongly agree with. :ohhh
A Mods Help post that I strongly agree with. :ohhh
In sorry. That was not supposed to happen. I thought you were my aniki, ka ne?
From the moment George Lucas removed himself from the picture, we were all in danger of being sucked back in.
My biggest fear, and it's not even a particularly huge one, is that JJ will make a movie as soulless as his Star Trek reboot. Those aren't bad movies, but they're also not memorable.
https://youtu.be/aUYxqMcc1rE?list=PLx1XbvvfIlc4GBwY6dd2IJXagAhh-qyx3
Greatest toy everspoiler (click to show/hide)for $150 though :([close]
Lukes not on the poster, he's the bad guy isn't he
JJ Abrams still unoriginal with that Death Star 3 shit. :neogaf
it's not the death starspoiler (click to show/hide)its a planet hollowed out that contains a new weapon, its called the starkiller base[close]
But is it fully-operational, or is it only pretending to not be fully-operational in order to lure the Rebels into a trap? I want to know the level of "rhyme" they're relying on.
Lukes not on the poster, he's the bad guy isn't he
Im going to pretend the prequels never happened
Its great they are prequels as its easy to cut them loose without losing story
Went ahead and watched Star Wars last night. As good as always for me.
Thoughts.
I forgot that the movie shows Uncle Owen's & Aunt Beru's charred bodies when Luke returns back home after meeting Obi-Wan. Gruesome.
I so love how slow the first hour of that movie is. So much good world-building and mystery.
Seeing all the little George Lucas additions is just so stupid. I think I was indifferent to them the first time around but now they just seem so stupid. Restoring the cut jabba scene is so dumb and the worst offender. It actually harms the movie versus the other stupid little cgi background things running around.
You can forgot how this movie has a charm and whimsy and sense of humour about it in just the perfect proportion. I think that's why its my favorite. And this feeling was so completely and utterly screwed up in the prequels. He thought Jar Jar was the same sort of whimsy. The other movies prequels and originals also have a much darker tone and I think I prefer what I consider the perfect balance in this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSgJeVwjnpc
This reminds me I need to rewatch Caravan of Courage
kylo ren has a cool voice I hope he wins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSgJeVwjnpc
well... there are spoilers going around for this movie. i just got spoiled and dunno if i want to watch it now
Guys, Luke isn't the bad guy.
Star Wars is so ubiquitous that I don't see how you can do anything "new" that will seem fresh and exciting. It still has to hit all those same beats that Star Wars fans will expect and it will still have to pay homage to a certain type of storytelling. It's that same kind of rut that Superman movies get mired in, no matter how they try to dress it up (or dress it down).
I'm sure people will be fine with a competent Star Wars movie, since we haven't seen one in three decades now. But I don't think that will get me in the theaters on day one.
The X-Wing vs TIE Fighter dogfight scenes look absolutely incredible. I've been dreaming of seeing something like that for 20 years now.
I still say ROTS was by far the best prequel. The first two are both crap.
You already posted this ???Ah, oops. I thought so, but when I peeked at the "outside links" and "star wars" threads, I didn't see it.
ROTS is the best prequel, still a crappy movie regardless. Attack of the Clones is by far the worst of the worst.Yeah, this. There's so much stuff that doesn't make any sense in RotS, but AotC is the only one in which the entire movie unravels itself into complete meaninglessness, erasing its own raison d'être before our eyes. The idea that the ENTIRE CLONE ARMY, which was ordered by A FORGOTTEN JEDI, from a planet OF WHICH THERE IS NO RECORD, is the object of Obi-Wan's search and yet, when it is found, no-one has a single question about why it even exists, ready to mobilize. It's like realizing that Indiana Jones doesn't actually do anything in Raiders of the Lost Arc. And then the only other element running through AotC is Anakin/Padme's arc, an entirely tone-deaf love story. It really is just inexplicably bad.
I expect very little out of this except pure nostalgia. We are talking JJ Abrams here, the genius director of .
I'd be a lot more excited if the basic lore was explored in a new time period, no returning characters, absolutely no nostalgia grabbing whatsoever.
But those things would probably deter a huge chunk of the intended audience.
It dosen't even start off good. The strange humor from the droids is tiring in the first 5 mins. So cringe worthy and it never recovers because it's so jarring in contrast with whats going on.
I'd be a lot more excited if the basic lore was explored in a new time period, no returning characters, absolutely no nostalgia grabbing whatsoever.You can probably look forward to the Rogue Squadron movie. In line with Disney's success in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I'd be surprised if it's not part of some larger, intertwined story arc, but you won't have The Olds onscreen and messing with your bliss.
But those things would probably deter a huge chunk of the intended audience.
I expect very little out of this except pure nostalgia. We are talking JJ Abrams here, the genius director of .
We've talked about this before too but pretty much yeah. The best predictor of quality tends to be the director, followed by the writers.
When you think Abrams you don't think all time classics. You think good solid execution on a formula. Which after years of complete incompetence for that franchise should be fine.
I think people are over-hyping themselves like they always tend to do where as I think the more proper level of expectation is "solid film" in the vein of those star trek films.
She's not a pawg though ???
All the prequels are bad so its hard to split hairs.
I think Phantom Menace is the worst. Lots of Jar Jar. Lots of the kid. Long stretches of boring. Yeah it has Darth Maul and that fight but that and some podracing are literally the only redeeming things.
I can't honestly say which is "best". Attack of the Clones had the only suspenseful part of any of the movies for me when Obi Wan goes to Kamino but it also has those incredible lows of the love story and nothing else I can really remember. ROTS basically has the only scenes that I remember when I think of the prequels, but its still not good and its been built on a such a boring mountain of shit that I think everybody just wanted the whole thing to be over by that point. Same as whatever was that third matrix movie.
All the prequels are bad so its hard to split hairs.
I think Phantom Menace is the worst. Lots of Jar Jar. Lots of the kid. Long stretches of boring. Yeah it has Darth Maul and that fight but that and some podracing are literally the only redeeming things.
I can't honestly say which is "best". Attack of the Clones had the only suspenseful part of any of the movies for me when Obi Wan goes to Kamino but it also has those incredible lows of the love story and nothing else I can really remember. ROTS basically has the only scenes that I remember when I think of the prequels, but its still not good and its been built on a such a boring mountain of shit that I think everybody just wanted the whole thing to be over by that point. Same as whatever was that third matrix movie.
Darth Maul was underused. Let's be fair. He could've been the antagonist along with the Senator but noooo, killed off after one film with barely any backstory (that was thrown into the expanded universe which then was jettisoned out the window for NuExpanded Universe).
And I know it's an unpopular opinion, but JarJar as a character wasn't that bad. Cartoonish and for kids, sure. But I never got really annoyed with him outside of the "comedy" bits that were clearly trying to aim for kids but falling flat. Same with Jake Lloyd or Christian as Anakin. A lot of the problems with Anakin came sorely down to George Lucas not being a good writer/script writer/dialogue. This is apparent when you know that the original trilogy later got a few collaborators for Lucas to bounce the ideas off of and they improved those.
Really though, Star Wars has a huge issue with introducing characters into stories/games and then never fully fleshing them out because they're a one-and-done character plot-point and thats it. Like the Darth Sidieious(?) character in KotOR2 who apparently eats worlds but is only explored in that game and barely. Never fleshed out in the expanded universe or anything.
well... there are spoilers going around for this movie. i just got spoiled and dunno if i want to watch it now
Is Luke the bad guy or not?
I mean, all those contractors he murdered has to be worth a trip to the dark side amirite
I don't know that I think he'd be a full on bad guy. I think he's gonna struggle with the dark side for a minute, runs in the family :-)well... there are spoilers going around for this movie. i just got spoiled and dunno if i want to watch it now
Is Luke the bad guy or not?
I mean, all those contractors he murdered has to be worth a trip to the dark side amirite
Rian Johnson directed Star Wars movie coming up after this :rejoice
No, Andrex aside from Ewoks Return of the Jedi kicked ass. Had some of the best moments in the series. Colin Treverow directing :kobeyuck
I've made fun of JJ Abrams in the past, but he can put together a great fan film like how Super 8 is essentially a Spielberg rip off. And that's the only movie of his I love. This movie is a lot more than Abrams though, since all it needs is a decent Original Trilogy rip off that's fine.
The Rian Johnson one will most definitely rule though. Have all the faith in the world in his direction. I just wish earlier reports of him doing both sequels were true.
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/10/your_most_ridiculous_the_force.html#incart_river_home
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Wow, somehow I had never recognized the similarity between Obi-Wan's battle with Vader, and Luke's, where they both just shut down their lightsaber. That's pretty neat.
I didn't think Into Darkness was terrible either, just a little too hamfisted with its pandering.It doesn't even pander well. And that's ultimately the problem. This was supposed to be a brand new universe to do all sorts of exciting new things in and Abrams Inc. gives us a Nemesis remake and screws up Khan. (Are we supposed to be sympathetic to him? Is he an anti-hero? Is his anger justified? Who exactly is he seeking vengeance against again? Why betray the Enterprise when they're on his side until Spock pulls up old Spock's wiki entry on Khan? Why are we just zooming past RoboCop's valid points? Why is RoboCop over the top evil? Where did he get so many people that agree with him, yet he still needed to gun down the ten other admirals left? Why are we ignoring this "valid" debate that's ideal for Trek? Why am I continuing to do this criticism masked as just asking questions? Did Kirk bang Carol Marcus? Why does she have a British accent when RoboCop's her dad?)
I didn't think Into Darkness was terrible either, just a little too hamfisted with its pandering.It doesn't even pander well. And that's ultimately the problem. This was supposed to be a brand new universe to do all sorts of exciting new things in and Abrams Inc. gives us a Nemesis remake and screws up Khan. (Are we supposed to be sympathetic to him? Is he an anti-hero? Is his anger justified? Who exactly is he seeking vengeance against again? Why betray the Enterprise when they're on his side until Spock pulls up old Spock's wiki entry on Khan? Why are we just zooming past RoboCop's valid points? Why is RoboCop over the top evil? Where did he get so many people that agree with him, yet he still needed to gun down the ten other admirals left? Why are we ignoring this "valid" debate that's ideal for Trek? Why am I continuing to do this criticism masked as just asking questions? Did Kirk bang Carol Marcus? Why does she have a British accent when RoboCop's her dad?)
ST and STID are both like The Dark Knight Rises in that the first third or so of the movie is quite good, (in TDKR's case arguably the best part of the trilogy) because it's doing new things "freely" but then then the film decides to GET BIG, loses track of time, tries to explain itself, hook in all the NAMES and the whole thing collapses into a black hole of plot holes, zero sense of time and incoherence, and there's no red matter to blow up and ride the shockwave out of it.
Now that I think about it...the same thing kinda happens in the first two Star Wars prequels...it doesn't in the third because the pacing is shot from the start.
I'm sure Star War will be fine. I think the sequel and side-stories idea set just past the originals is way better way for "bringing it to a new generation" (who will have at least seen the old Star War trilogy by now) than the prequels were. That was always dumb thematically. (Lucas knew Anakin was supposed to be the main character right?) Except Darth Maul.
I thought Trek would have worked better to not do a reboot, but do something like Star War is doing, where you have some old folks to link it in, but you're creating a "new crew" for the "new fans." Trek had precedent with TNG. Characters who are arguably as beloved by later fans as Kirk/Spock/McCoy were. Plus Spock isn't even dead in the original Trek timeline so you still could have had Old Spock!
I'm not sure that Kirk/Spock/McCoy is much more recognized than Picard/Data/Worf among newer generations. Giving them a new crew with some older dudes showing up just to tie it in much like was done with TNG seems to make far more sense. Especially, with what was done with the "reboot" in the end.(http://i.imgur.com/a5UsGdm.gif)
And that's what Star War seems to be doing. New characters can be part of a mythos but not tied to existing characterization/traits/etc. which is what Abrams' Star Trek is. It's the old characters again. Kirk is still a brash, ladies man who doesn't believe in no win scenarios. Spock is logical and strong. McCoy is grumpy. Scotty is Scottish. Sulu is Asian and therefore likes swords. Chekov is Russian and has a goofy accent. The reboot added a goofy love thing between Spock and Uhura. Also it made Uhura force herself onto away missions so she can bitch at Spock. Otherwise, it's just new stories (or not, in the case of the two films) with the old characters in a slightly off kilter version of the universe. (And the comics do a way better job of "retelling" the old episodes with new slight differences. Which makes them quite enjoyable actually.)
Giving them a new crew instead of rehashing the old one poorly is giving them "their" Star Trek/Star Wars. I think that played a big role in Into Darkness hitting the "cap" at the box office and why Paramount chose to essentially start the reboot over.
EDIT: The Nolans' reboot of Batman worked because they told a story that hadn't been told in the mass-market (Begins) and a different mass-market take on the other main character of the mythos (Joker as a force or concept, rather than a person), and Rises is hurt because they undershot the al Ghul background in Begins, so once they're introduced rather than it just being something new with Bane and Catwoman, it all falls apart trying to hold everything together. (Though it's not their fault Ledger died and took their third act with him.)
Star Trek started to do that, but suddenly, at arguably the peak of the Academy plot with Kirk's gaming the Kobayashi Maru, says "forget all this origin stuff, everybody's in their old roles, half the universe is destroyed, all of Starfleet is dead, life is terrible, let's have some adventures!"
The Nolans' reboot of Batman worked because they told a story that hadn't been told in the mass-market (Begins)
I wasn't really talking about the quality of the film or story. It pulled the franchise out of the goofy lull it was stuck in and led to two billion dollar films. An anti-Superman Returns.
Well they want to get everyone back on board, im sure if this goes down well the next one might be more out there
Im sure they will not reboot or remake star wars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAUiyeJMFQ
Fuck it, I'm in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAUiyeJMFQ
tain't no way that happens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAUiyeJMFQ
Fuck it, I'm in.
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Gotta say I'm really digging the crossguards lightsaber. I was never down on it like some people were, but now I'm thinking it's one of the coolest things in the new movie. Makes Kylo Ren look more like a medieval black knight.
I hope his squad, the Knights of Ren, get some screentime in the film.
Gotta say I'm really digging the crossguards lightsaber. I was never down on it like some people were, but now I'm thinking it's one of the coolest things in the new movie. Makes Kylo Ren look more like a medieval black knight.
I hope his squad, the Knights of Ren, get some screentime in the film.
I think it's a clumsy uneducated reconstruction of a lightsaber by somebody who doesn't quite have all the skills required. Which makes it pretty cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAUiyeJMFQkinda feel bad for the Japanese. The trailer translates the title of the film, but there is no Japanese translation of "Star Wars." Instead it's just spelled in English so they might not even know what this is. I guess this is a good way to go unspoiled but the language barrier must be vexing.
Fuck it, I'm in.
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kinda feel bad for the Japanese. The trailer translates the title of the film, but there is no Japanese translation of "Star Wars." Instead it's just spelled in English so they might not even know what this is. I guess this is a good way to go unspoiled but the language barrier must be vexing.:expert
Gotta say I'm really digging the crossguards lightsaber. I was never down on it like some people were, but now I'm thinking it's one of the coolest things in the new movie. Makes Kylo Ren look more like a medieval black knight.
I hope his squad, the Knights of Ren, get some screentime in the film.
I think it's a clumsy uneducated reconstruction of a lightsaber by somebody who doesn't quite have all the skills required. Which makes it pretty cool.
Star Wars prequels didn't suck, we're just too stupid to understand Lucas' genius:
http://www.vice.com/read/this-guy-spent-two-years-writing-one-article-about-how-the-star-wars-prequels-didnt-suck-106
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Star Wars prequels didn't suck, we're just too stupid to understand Lucas' genius:
http://www.vice.com/read/this-guy-spent-two-years-writing-one-article-about-how-the-star-wars-prequels-didnt-suck-106
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It's probably Pan and Scan. :yuck
George Lucas, the mastermind behind the Star Wars franchise, says no more.
Lucas told Vanity Fair that he didn't want to be a part of the long-awaited seventh episode of the Star Wars saga, "The Force Awakens," because "it's not much fun" when you "go to make a movie and all you do is get criticized."
He spoke to "CBS This Morning" co-host Charlie Rose about his decision to never direct another "Star Wars" picture.
"The issue was ultimately, they looked at the stories and they said, 'We want to make something for the fans,'" Lucas said. "People don't actually realize it's actually a soap opera and it's all about family problems - it's not about spaceships. So they decided they didn't want to use those stories, they decided they were going to do their own thing so I decided, 'fine.... I'll go my way and I let them go their way.'"
This marks the first time Lucas is not intimately involved, which Lucas compared to a breakup.
"When you break up with somebody, the first rule is no phone calls. The second rule, you don't go over to their house and drive by to see what they're doing," he said laughing. "The third one is you don't show up at their coffee shop and say you are going to burn it... You just say 'Nope, gone, history, I'm moving forward.'"
The full interview will air on "CBS This Morning" in December, as part of our Kennedy center Honors coverage. Lucas is among this year's recipients.
QuoteGeorge Lucas, the mastermind behind the Star Wars franchise, says no more.
Lucas told Vanity Fair that he didn't want to be a part of the long-awaited seventh episode of the Star Wars saga, "The Force Awakens," because "it's not much fun" when you "go to make a movie and all you do is get criticized."
He spoke to "CBS This Morning" co-host Charlie Rose about his decision to never direct another "Star Wars" picture.
"The issue was ultimately, they looked at the stories and they said, 'We want to make something for the fans,'" Lucas said. "People don't actually realize it's actually a soap opera and it's all about family problems - it's not about spaceships. So they decided they didn't want to use those stories, they decided they were going to do their own thing so I decided, 'fine.... I'll go my way and I let them go their way.'"
This marks the first time Lucas is not intimately involved, which Lucas compared to a breakup.
"When you break up with somebody, the first rule is no phone calls. The second rule, you don't go over to their house and drive by to see what they're doing," he said laughing. "The third one is you don't show up at their coffee shop and say you are going to burn it... You just say 'Nope, gone, history, I'm moving forward.'"
The full interview will air on "CBS This Morning" in December, as part of our Kennedy center Honors coverage. Lucas is among this year's recipients.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-lucas-on-why-he-is-done-directing-star-wars/
It's not spaceships...
Yeah. It's not like amazing effects were a big factor in why the franchise got big while the family aspects were thought up on the fly as you're winging it during the second movie. Sure George.
Prequels should have been Obi-Wan's journey.
Ian McDiarmid is awful in the prequels
Ian McDiarmid is awful in the prequels
You only see one romantic relationship in the prequels and it goes as follows:I love this summary.
Be a creep, knock a girl up, abuse her.
:yeshrug
Then the other main relationship is sterile and fraught with Anakin talkin' like a punkass behind Obi Wan's back. And Obi basically has to end him after like 45 minutes of green screen shit.
:shaq2
Saw the trailer today in the cinema
Goddamn guys this is gonna be good
+1 for crossnerding to Picard's franchise.
Remember when people bought tickets to Meet Joe Black to catch a first glimpse of the Phantom Menace trailer?
I know some of you aren't in the Battlefront thread but guys that game is like being in Star Wars for reals
Catching a glimpse of an AT AT through the trees on Endor :lawd
The presentation and feel is so spot on, only other SW game that had this feel for me is the Sega Star Wars Arcade game (or the 80's Atari Arcade which was one of my first games lol).
If they add a Death Star run at some point :lawd
Remember when people bought tickets to Meet Joe Black to catch a first glimpse of the Phantom Menace trailer?
Remember when people bought tickets to Meet Joe Black to catch a first glimpse of the Phantom Menace trailer?Meet Joe Black is pretty good tbh. Peanut Butter.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/25/entertainment/fox-news-star-wars-death-threats-feat/index.html
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I've always thought that story was both what was wrong with fandom in general and what was wrong with Lucas in particular.There's a neat quote about art from DaVinci: "Art is never finished, only abandoned." Normally I take this positively, but in GL's case he simply doesn't know when to leave well-enough alone. It's as though some hugely popular piece in a museum, which continues to have crowds and papers written about it, and the artist disagrees with it, so he takes it back, keeps working on it, mainly to change how he feels now about it -- eradicating how he felt when he originally created it.
I came to Star Wars very very late so the whole thing on initial exposure sounded like the dumbest argument ever. And it still feels that way to me. But after time, I understood it more as who owns art, the creators or the fans rather than a dumb ass argument over who shot first.
As always I don't have a problem with him dicking around with his stuff even when he's making things ostensibly worse. Just always give people a choice when it comes to purchasing the stuff. It makes sense from both an artistic sense and a business sense.
It's as though some hugely popular piece in a museum, which continues to have crowds and papers written about it, and the artist disagrees with it, so he takes it back, keeps working on it, mainly to change how he feels now about it -- eradicating how he felt when he originally created it.
Theres gonna be a han solo movie? Thanks disney
What Wrath, mad that MC Solo grew up tagging walls with graffiti and breakdancing?Han Solo is a 13 year old boy living a scrappy life on the streets.
:kobeyuck
Han Solo is a 13 year old boy living a scrappy life on the streets, Ford isn't involved
Theres gonna be a han solo movie? Thanks disney
ugh. present-day harrison ford cannot carry a film.
According to my brother they have an age range of 15-31 for casting, so you were pretty close :lol
he father of the Star Wars franchise has seen Star Wars: The Force Awakens and is a fan...kind of?
LucasFilm President Kathleen Kennedy told THR that Lucas "really liked" the film after attending an early screening.
But when Vulture had the opportunity to ask Lucas to elaborate on his thoughts, he was less effusive. “I think the fans are going to love it,” he said. “It’s very much the kind of movie they’ve been looking for.”
I wonder if we'll ever hear what Lucas' original plan for VII-IX was?
Nine days to go, can't wait.
https://youtu.be/2HaGe8XcMHA
(Apparent) spoilers if you're like me and don't give a shit:spoiler (click to show/hide)Seriously, spoilers.spoiler (click to show/hide)-There's another deathstar. It's all new. Except it still has a weak point. :lol ::)
-Kylo Ren is Darth Vader's grandson. He serves an evil master and holy shit we've seen all this before.
-Luke is in the film for like a minute.
-Han Solo dies.
-This movie is a total Star Wars rehash.[close][close]
Bork just salty the female lead in this doesn't look 12 and have impossibly large tits :uguu
(Apparent) spoilers if you're like me and don't give a shit:
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Love how all these nerd blogs which don't review movies suddenly falling over themselves to cum onto their keyboards for The Force Awakens.
Wired
Kotaku
The Verge
TechCrunch
Ars Technica
What's next?
STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS
THE DEFINITIVE COUNTRY LIVING REVIEW
I've been looking forward to the movie but have been getting a bit weary of having Star Wars put on ridiculously full blast.
But this is a pretty fucking dumb whine.
(Apparent) spoilers if you're like me and don't give a shit:spoiler (click to show/hide)Seriously, spoilers.spoiler (click to show/hide)-There's another deathstar. It's all new. Except it still has a weak point. :lol ::)
-Kylo Ren is Darth Vader's grandson. He serves an evil master and holy shit we've seen all this before.
-Luke is in the film for like a minute.
-Han Solo dies.
-This movie is a total Star Wars rehash.[close][close]
Thank you. The GAF thread wasn't able to convey this in over 15 pages.85 page illustrated PDF that's "99% accurate" https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByQR6taehVh7MUdKLWdLRUx5eG8/view
Honestly I'm pretty numb to the idea of seeing the movie anyway.
Also my alarm bells are ringing off with the "Yeah character X / plot thread Y gonna be explored in the other movies". I want to see a movie, not an exposition dump or infomercial for the franchise.
From the iconic opening crawl through the wordless last frames of "Star Wars: Episode VII — The Force Awakens," director J.J. Abrams steers pop-culture's most beloved sci-fi saga in an exhilarating new direction.
This is what he was handpicked to do. But the fact that he achieves such breathless velocity so quickly is not just a testament to his hardcore fandom (having seen the original "Star Wars" at the age of 11) but his well-deserved reputation as Hollywood's reboot master, injecting new life into the "Mission Impossible" and "Star Trek" franchises in recent years.
The result is a "Star Wars" film that intelligently (and shamelessly) refracts the best angles of its predecessors, particularly "Episode IV — A New Hope" and "Episode V — The Empire Strikes Back," while checking nearly every imaginable box on fans' wish lists. It's the "Star Wars" movie we've been waiting for, and the one we didn't know we needed.
Although this reviewer saw the film in 2-D, a sense of figurative depth pervaded each scene.
Still, the seemingly endless notes Abrams needed to hit, from rejuvenating a multibillion dollar franchise to crafting a riveting standalone drama that just happens to take place amid lightsabers and space battles, would have exhausted a lesser soul.
But a great "Star Wars" movie is more than just a symphony whose conductor intertwines dozens of elements with dynamic flair. It's a rousing expedition in search of the humanity (conflicted and wounded though it may be) amid all this exotic spectacle.
Abrams, well aware of the stakes, is our able guide.
IT is increasingly likely that at some point in the future, every film will be remade.
Even the seemingly untouchable and iconic ones – like, say, Star Wars – will get a re-imagining centuries from now.
If someone 100 years in the future is bold/stupid enough to remake the original 1977 saga-spawning game-changing sci-fi classic, they would do well to check out J.J. Abrams’ sterling effort with Episode VII.
Add in the fact this has the best acting, best dialogue, best direction, and best cinematography of any film in the entire franchise, and the prequels don’t stand a chance. It doesn’t have the myth-making quality of the original – nothing can – nor does it have a stack of classic moments, but nonetheless this is technically a better crafted film than any of its predecessors.
There is also a dark air to this that, while certainly no darker than the deepest pockets of episodes III and V, stamps this as a film for the older fans. The slapstick of Jar Jar Binks and twee annoyances of young ‘Ani’ Skywalker are nowhere to be seen, thank the maker. It’s largely bloodless, but its M rating is warranted.
Frankly, there's no stand-out signature set piece in Episode VII to compare, say, to the trench dive in the original, the asteroid chase in The Empire Strikes Back (1980), or the brilliant Yoda vs Dooku duel in Attack of the Clones (2002). (Just to name a few.)That's the duel in the series you're going to pick breh?
But the fact that he achieves such breathless velocity so quickly is not just a testament to his hardcore fandom (having seen the original "Star Wars" at the age of 11) but his well-deserved reputation as Hollywood's reboot master
Also wat at this review:QuoteFrankly, there's no stand-out signature set piece in Episode VII to compare, say, to the trench dive in the original, the asteroid chase in The Empire Strikes Back (1980), or the brilliant Yoda vs Dooku duel in Attack of the Clones (2002). (Just to name a few.)That's the duel in the series you're going to pick breh?
WHO DA MAN? YODA MAN!Also wat at this review:QuoteFrankly, there's no stand-out signature set piece in Episode VII to compare, say, to the trench dive in the original, the asteroid chase in The Empire Strikes Back (1980), or the brilliant Yoda vs Dooku duel in Attack of the Clones (2002). (Just to name a few.)That's the duel in the series you're going to pick breh?
I didn't know anyone actually liked that duel. It was dumb back then, and it's still dumb now.
http://www.clickhole.com/article/fanboy-loves-star-wars-so-much-he-plans-watch-forc-1514
His devotion has only grown since, to the point that, when he was in college, he bought a used copy of Star Wars: Battlefront at Blockbuster, which he played numerous times on his Playstation 2.that ending :dead
Do you know a bigger Star Wars fanboy than Mark Weesen? We’re not saying it’s impossible, but you’d probably only find one in a galaxy far, far away!
Also wat at this review:QuoteFrankly, there's no stand-out signature set piece in Episode VII to compare, say, to the trench dive in the original, the asteroid chase in The Empire Strikes Back (1980), or the brilliant Yoda vs Dooku duel in Attack of the Clones (2002). (Just to name a few.)That's the duel in the series you're going to pick breh?
I didn't know anyone actually liked that duel. It was dumb back then, and it's still dumb now.
The more I think about it the more and more I start loving this movie, flaws and all. I now think it's definitely up there with the OT and while it's not better than Empire, it's definitely up there with A New Hope and Jedi and is maybe better. Fuck whatever haters come up with(justifiably in some cases), I loved it.
And I love howspoiler (click to show/hide)Rey wrecked Kylo's shit. Hardcore. I also liked how her fighting style was just clumsy lunges. Nice that she didn't really know what she was doing but managed to hold her own.
I knew Han was gonna die, but damn. That still sucked. :-([close]
I was talking about this with my gf afterwards. Both thought it didn't seem quite realistic. Best explanation we could come up with:spoiler (click to show/hide)Kylo had been shot in the leg like 5 minutes prior. Otherwise, it was a complete shit showing for him. Barely beat a guy who was a stormtrooper two days ago and straight lose to a girl who didn't know she had the Force until yesterday. Had to be the leg.[close]
I could nitpick this movie to death, but I don't want to, because I spite of all the things I wish had been done a little better I still loved the hell out of it.
After the soulless prequels I was totally fine with a Star Wars-ass Star Wars movie.
Dat epic Armond White troll review
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428730/star-wars-demystified
:lawd
Rey “leans in” when she grips the Skywalker light saber, so that feminists can rejoice at the Disney Corporation’s calculated political correctness (although Rey’s competence with weaponry contradicts liberals’ convenient attitudes toward gun control.)
(Apparent) spoilers if you're like me and don't give a shit:spoiler (click to show/hide)Seriously, spoilers.spoiler (click to show/hide)-There's another deathstar. It's all new. Except it still has a weak point. :lol ::)
-Kylo Ren is Darth Vader's grandson. He serves an evil master and holy shit we've seen all this before.
-Luke is in the film for like a minute.
-Han Solo dies.
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And I love howspoiler (click to show/hide)Rey wrecked Kylo's shit. Hardcore. I also liked how her fighting style was just clumsy lunges. Nice that she didn't really know what she was doing but managed to hold her own.
I knew Han was gonna die, but damn. That still sucked. :-([close]
I was talking about this with my gf afterwards. Both thought it didn't seem quite realistic. Best explanation we could come up with:spoiler (click to show/hide)Kylo had been shot in the leg like 5 minutes prior. Otherwise, it was a complete shit showing for him. Barely beat a guy who was a stormtrooper two days ago and straight lose to a girl who didn't know she had the Force until yesterday. Had to be the leg.[close]
I could nitpick this movie to death, but I don't want to, because I spite of all the things I wish had been done a little better I still loved the hell out of it.
Great acting, great chemistry between the various actors. Clever dialogue for the most part.
Great special effects, they did emphasize the practical effects. The two major cg characters were not particularly impressive.
If there was new John Williams music here, I don't recall it. Was hoping for something new and exciting but the score felt very retread.
The trouble I have is that the story and plot was arguably the dumbest in the series to date and all the fan service in the world can't cover up that much dumb.
Very littleworldgalaxy building to explain how the hell the galaxy got this way... This movie apes ANH so very hard, at least it could have done was to cut or reduce a lengthy action scene or two and have someone offer some basic exposition. Instead we just get contrivance after contrivance to keep action scenes going. ANH had strong pacing and great action but the plot was very well designed and every element logically fit and flowed together.
It can't be the equal of a movie it's an echo of, so it's sub ANH. Even with all the dumb plot choices - and they are doozies - I guess it's ROTJ / ROTS level, in kind of an inverse way, switching out wooden acting with good acting but jettisoning entirely anything original or creative (or even competent) in terms of plot / writing (other than amusing banter, I mean).
If there was new John Williams music here, I don't recall it. Was hoping for something new and exciting but the score felt very retread.
If there was new John Williams music here, I don't recall it. Was hoping for something new and exciting but the score felt very retread.
Agreed on the score. Disappointed.
Each of the shitty prequels nonetheless got some pretty kickass themes to call their own.
Here, well, I really liked Rey's theme, but don't think it comes close to anything like the standout themes from the previous movies.
Honestly, I'm going to have to re-listen to it to figure out what Rey's unique theme even is.
Maybe it's just a more subtle score and it'll grow on me. I dunno.
but that's kind of like being the least creepy Etrian Odyssey fan.
Because the rebels won in the original trilogy. In the new one, the sith aren't a full on empire. it said remnants of the empire in the screen crawl. Essentially, there's a resistance because there's a mini empire forming. It's a resistance to stopping them from growing further. Essentially, the first order don't have the reach or might of the old empire, so they fear the republic. At least, that's how I read it.
Some fans have complained that if there was a government of the "New Republic" then why was there a "Resistance"; wouldn't it just be the military of that New Republic?
After ROTJ, the remnants of the Empire fell back to territories outside of Alliance control. Presumably, some form of truce was made between the new First Order and the New Republic.
However, the First Order started building a much larger military force in the years leading up to TFA, including rumors of a new super weapon. This prompted the New Republic to arm and fund Resistance rebels living under First Order control in order to gain a foothold for the coming conflict and potentially destabilize the First Order while not declaring outright war.
Some fans have complained that if there was a government of the "New Republic" then why was there a "Resistance"; wouldn't it just be the military of that New Republic?The problem is that the film doesn't even begin to discuss this. Taking just the film we have the Empire which has re-branded itself but is otherwise exactly the same (except more powerful) using all the same soldiers outfits and fighters and resources and so on, a new bunch of rebels who are now resistance, and somebody said there was a Republic but all their top people (Leia, Ackbar) are hanging out with the resistance surviving on minimal resources (that they'll arguably have even less of after this film) that all happen to be the things the rebels used rather than seemingly appropriating any of the now abandoned Empire reserves.
After ROTJ, the remnants of the Empire fell back to territories outside of Alliance control. Presumably, some form of truce was made between the new First Order and the New Republic.
However, the First Order started building a much larger military force in the years leading up to TFA, including rumors of a new super weapon. This prompted the New Republic to arm and fund Resistance rebels living under First Order control in order to gain a foothold for the coming conflict and potentially destabilize the First Order while not declaring outright war.
I think Lucas ran into that challenge when making us uncomfortable as humans and challenging our racist preconceptions in the prequel trilogy in that if the "good" guys (aka human-supremacists) aren't weaker the "bad" guys don't feel like a threat (Trade Federation, the openly fake Separatists) and if you're rehashing the original trilogy it's the same ol' the weaker good guys will triumph over the powerful bad guys which the original Star War probably would not have easily as gotten away with doing two more times over had it not gone batshit crazy in expanding the mythology in Empire and Jedi. (Lucas' admits until he figured out the Vader/Luke twist and the backwards ramifications from it, Empire's script was garbage and he didn't necessarily want to continue. As TA noted, the original was Flash Gordon inspired.)
VIII, IX and all the rest can still be great as VII is ultimately irrelevant, but J.J. just J.J.'d us. Again.
That's the thing though. I'm not sure why you go into this expecting the table hasn't been reset given the prequels.Because it's supposed to take place 30 years after Jedi AND establishes that certain events happened in between that it completely discards and/or eliminates so as to return the franchise to a pre-ESB galactic state?
I also don't get how you would expect a ROTJ sequel and it not take place a few decades after the original.I expect things to have happened in those inbetween decades and the film to have explored them more than showing a bunch of recognizable props buried in the sand.
Like I said above, sounds like trying to find a fault with the movie.Could be that I consider it a fault with the movie.
Do you have any other better ideas?Of course I'm going to think I have better ideas than to rehash Star War and bring back the original arc.
despite some occasional touches of lameness (space Nazis, really?).
Just want to note I don't dislike the film as much as it may sound or as much as J.J.'s Treks. It didn't have any of the glaring plotholes of those, the new characters/actors are pretty much all great and there's a good distribution of their time. Outside of those types of things I generally prefer to critique franchise films on their continuity/universe/etc. And that's the problem I have here, it's J.J. being J.J. again. I forgive contrivances to put characters conveniently together if they're seemingly in-world unintentional. (Which is why TDK and TDKR don't escape me critiquing this.)
Rey is better than Finn. Don't listen to the lies.
Wait, I remember another flaw. Way too little Captain Phasma. It's like she had something else to do and disappeared for the most part.That's the thing though. I'm not sure why you go into this expecting the table hasn't been reset given the prequels.Because it's supposed to take place 30 years after Jedi AND establishes that certain events happened in between that it completely discards and/or eliminates so as to return the franchise to a pre-ESB galactic state?
In the years that followed, the First Order emerged, inspired by the principles of the fallen government and led by former officers of the Empire. The First Order was active approximately thirty years after the Battle of Endor, and fought against the Resistance.
Building a weapon the level that it did, with the shown manpower and fleets, and being enough of a threat the now destroyed New Republic didn't want to go to war with them, I'm going to assume The First Order is fairly powerful on a galactic stage. It also seems to be headed by a type of large Emperor figure.
Of course, if J.J. had bothered to discuss anything that had happened in the 30 years prior we might know something about The First Order other than that they were ctrl+r'd over "New Empire" or something.
Wookiepedia's entire non-TFA-plot info:QuoteIn the years that followed, the First Order emerged, inspired by the principles of the fallen government and led by former officers of the Empire. The First Order was active approximately thirty years after the Battle of Endor, and fought against the Resistance.
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=189949088This kind of thing is why they said they wanted to wipe out the entire EU. (And also Trek's canon...)
Mad Max Fury Road is the best movie of the year for me.But is it really a movie? It's kinda like saying Taco Bell is the best restaurant of the year. True, it's a restaurant, but it's also so much more.
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=189949088This kind of thing is why they said they wanted to wipe out the entire EU. (And also Trek's canon...)
:snoop
That information does help, but J.J. did still wipe out the New Republic before we ever got a chance to know about it...
All that said, VIII and IX still have a much better chance of universe/continuity saving/building than Beyond does.
That other guy tho...I would have liked Duncan Jones instead.
Duncan Jones is vastly overrated if we're being honest. He made one good movie(Moon) and it wasn't that good. He had potential but I feel like it was wasted somehow along the way.He's doing WARCRAFT, he won't have time for a piddly little niche franchise like Star Wars.
Is it too late to replace him?
JJ did his job: get people excited about Star Wars again. It's up to Rian to make the trilogy into a classic. That other guy tho...I would have liked Duncan Jones instead.
Duncan Jones is vastly overrated if we're being honest. He made one good movie(Moon) and it wasn't that good. He had potential but I feel like it was wasted somehow along the way.
I'd hand him the entire next trilogy. But we need a five year or more break to buy enough tents.
A question because I can't pay attention properlyya basically, he's their leader now I think, I imagine there'll be more about them when there's more about him, they had to keep a lot of his backstory out of this one for plot purposes obviouslyspoiler (click to show/hide)So ben changed his name to kylo ren after the ren knights, but who exactly are the knights? Just dark side baddies?
Those were them in the flashback when ben murked all the other jedi right
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They should get Josh Trank back for IX :heyman
He wasn't working on IX, he was doing some pin off. Either Rogue One or some other one.
Apparently according to the art book First Order has an entirely different culture than the Empire and value their troops as people and not mere pawns?
We been discussing it the last page. Ain't no one got time for spoiler tags no more. If you are in this thread now and haven't seen the movie and care about spoilers you're a moron.
spoiler (click to show/hide)WTF moments:
- Why have a desert planet with signature Moisture Farming Vaporators and that one standalone archway which looked straight out of Boonta Speedway -- but it's not Tatooine?
- Who the hell was Max Von Sydow's nameless character?
- What the hell did Solo and Fin do with Captain Phasma?
- Was there some subtle CG used on Carrie Fisher's face during the shot showing her reaction to Han's death? Her nose suddenly became very tiny, and the lighting seemed off.
- R2-D2 was in "low power mode" ever since Luke disappeared, and no-one thought to ask him about a map? A map which even C3PO speculated might be in R2's memory?
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spoiler (click to show/hide)WTF moments:
- Why have a desert planet with signature Moisture Farming Vaporators and that one standalone archway which looked straight out of Boonta Speedway -- but it's not Tatooine?
- Who the hell was Max Von Sydow's nameless character?
- What the hell did Solo and Fin do with Captain Phasma?
- Was there some subtle CG used on Carrie Fisher's face during the shot showing her reaction to Han's death? Her nose suddenly became very tiny, and the lighting seemed off.
- R2-D2 was in "low power mode" ever since Luke disappeared, and no-one thought to ask him about a map? A map which even C3PO speculated might be in R2's memory?
[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)Phasma went into the garbage chute ANH style[close]
Can't wait for the butthurt Mra's and racists to come out of the wood work. This films greatest blessing :rejoice
Looper was great!
After finding out that Oscar Isaac is short for Oscar Isaac Hernández Estrada and realizing that SW:TFA stars a woman, a black dude, and a hispanic dude going up against an unstable white man, my group of friends have decided that the movie was pretty amazing. Have any butthurt think pieces shown up yet?
After finding out that Oscar Isaac is short for Oscar Isaac Hernández Estrada and realizing that SW:TFA stars a woman, a black dude, and a hispanic dude going up against an unstable white man, my group of friends have decided that the movie was pretty amazing. Have any butthurt think pieces shown up yet?
Even the asian woman survives the ordeal :rejoice
Originally Poe Dameron was supposed to die but Abrams "figured it out" after Isaacs was cast. (http://io9.gizmodo.com/wait-redacted-was-supposed-to-die-in-the-force-awake-1748949179)
http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/12/18/my-non-spoilery-review-of-the-force-awakens/
Scalzi, everyone's favorite Heinlein-channeler, has written a good piece on TFA. It encapsulates how it feels to be a lifetime star war stan and to have JJ deliver us from evil. To, possibly, a different evil.
I think that you temper expectations well, but we all suffer from giving the original 3 a lot more credit than they deserve. When you say Ep 7 isn’t the best Sci-Fi this year, I would tend to agree, but even back then Star Wars had no such competition. Sci-Fi wasn’t a thing like it is today. Had Episode 7 come out in 1986, 1992, 2003, you would be lauding it much more as definitive Sci-fi. The tide has risen.
Your first love is always seen through rose colored glasses. As your comparison illustrates, they’re different now, but they were NEVER what you remembered either. Your memories were influenced by your love for them.
I would say from a pure cold review of this film, it is far superior to all that came before it. More emotional resonance with the characters, more investment in what is happening.
Time and first loves are weird things.
Great comment in his review:Completely agree with thisQuoteI think that you temper expectations well, but we all suffer from giving the original 3 a lot more credit than they deserve. When you say Ep 7 isn’t the best Sci-Fi this year, I would tend to agree, but even back then Star Wars had no such competition. Sci-Fi wasn’t a thing like it is today. Had Episode 7 come out in 1986, 1992, 2003, you would be lauding it much more as definitive Sci-fi. The tide has risen.
Your first love is always seen through rose colored glasses. As your comparison illustrates, they’re different now, but they were NEVER what you remembered either. Your memories were influenced by your love for them.
I would say from a pure cold review of this film, it is far superior to all that came before it. More emotional resonance with the characters, more investment in what is happening.
Time and first loves are weird things.
also, people always think because the ships and space and lasers that Star Wars is sci fi. Star Wars isn't sci fi. I'm not sure why anyone would even expect Star Wars to be a better sci fi movie than something like interstellar. Which is exactly why every time I see someone compare Star Wars to Star Trek I think they're being foolish.
Originally Poe Dameron was supposed to die but Abrams "figured it out" after Isaacs was cast. (http://io9.gizmodo.com/wait-redacted-was-supposed-to-die-in-the-force-awake-1748949179)
Huh? Not in the book.
http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/12/18/my-non-spoilery-review-of-the-force-awakens/
Scalzi, everyone's favorite Heinlein-channeler, has written a good piece on TFA. It encapsulates how it feels to be a lifetime star war stan and to have JJ deliver us from evil. To, possibly, a different evil.
also, people always think because the ships and space and lasers that Star Wars is sci fi. Star Wars isn't sci fi. I'm not sure why anyone would even expect Star Wars to be a better sci fi movie than something like interstellar. Which is exactly why every time I see someone compare Star Wars to Star Trek I think they're being foolish.
Great comment in his review:QuoteI think that you temper expectations well, but we all suffer from giving the original 3 a lot more credit than they deserve. When you say Ep 7 isn’t the best Sci-Fi this year, I would tend to agree, but even back then Star Wars had no such competition. Sci-Fi wasn’t a thing like it is today. Had Episode 7 come out in 1986, 1992, 2003, you would be lauding it much more as definitive Sci-fi. The tide has risen.
Your first love is always seen through rose colored glasses. As your comparison illustrates, they’re different now, but they were NEVER what you remembered either. Your memories were influenced by your love for them.
I would say from a pure cold review of this film, it is far superior to all that came before it. More emotional resonance with the characters, more investment in what is happening.
Time and first loves are weird things.
also, people always think because the ships and space and lasers that Star Wars is sci fi. Star Wars isn't sci fi. I'm not sure why anyone would even expect Star Wars to be a better sci fi movie than something like interstellar. Which is exactly why every time I see someone compare Star Wars to Star Trek I think they're being foolish.
I have to ask, what is missing that would make it feel like a star wars film? As an outsider and not much of a fan of the originals it felt like one to me so I'm genuinely curious.
I have to ask, what is missing that would make it feel like a star wars film? As an outsider and not much of a fan of the originals it felt like one to me so I'm genuinely curious.
tone, cinematography, pacing, character interaction, ambiance, editing.
it's a reboot rather than a sequel, albeit one that attempts to canonically sit in line as a sequel.
Yeah, it's basically the Star Trek '09 of the franchise. Which isn't a bad thing, and at least JJ's sensibilities are more in-tune with SW than they were with Trek.
I have to ask, what is missing that would make it feel like a star wars film? As an outsider and not much of a fan of the originals it felt like one to me so I'm genuinely curious.
tone, cinematography, pacing, character interaction, ambiance, editing.
it's a reboot rather than a sequel, albeit one that attempts to canonically sit in line as a sequel.
ANH was also George Lucas's third movie, it's good to keep that in mind when assessing the cinematography and editing.
TBH I'm not sure a movie like ones in the OT could be made today. It'd be seen as too boring.
Great comment in his review:QuoteI think that you temper expectations well, but we all suffer from giving the original 3 a lot more credit than they deserve. When you say Ep 7 isn’t the best Sci-Fi this year, I would tend to agree, but even back then Star Wars had no such competition. Sci-Fi wasn’t a thing like it is today. Had Episode 7 come out in 1986, 1992, 2003, you would be lauding it much more as definitive Sci-fi. The tide has risen.
Your first love is always seen through rose colored glasses. As your comparison illustrates, they’re different now, but they were NEVER what you remembered either. Your memories were influenced by your love for them.
I would say from a pure cold review of this film, it is far superior to all that came before it. More emotional resonance with the characters, more investment in what is happening.
Time and first loves are weird things.
also, people always think because the ships and space and lasers that Star Wars is sci fi. Star Wars isn't sci fi. I'm not sure why anyone would even expect Star Wars to be a better sci fi movie than something like interstellar. Which is exactly why every time I see someone compare Star Wars to Star Trek I think they're being foolish.
Uhhhhhhh. No. You could make a very credible case for this movie being better than anything that came before... except Empire. ESB is still head and shoulders above this movie. Anyone that says otherwise is a fucktard.
A New Hope is really, really dated. I watched the despecialized version the other day and you have to be sniffing roach poison to think it is well shot and well edited.
I haven't seen TFA yet but I don't doubt JJ's prowess. Pretty shots are pretty much his hallmark.
Yeah, it's basically the Star Trek '09 of the franchise. Which isn't a bad thing, and at least JJ's sensibilities are more in-tune with SW than they were with Trek.
its really easy to throw words like that out without providing any examples
personally I don't agree at all. This movie felt so much more like an OT Star Wars movie than I think you give it credit for. Cinematography? Do you realize ANH is relatively...badly shot?
Character interaction? We have possibly the best main character interactions of the year between Finn and Han, Finn and Poe, Rey and Ren.
I just don't agree, at all. Movie was tits.
A New Hope is really, really dated. I watched the despecialized version the other day and you have to be sniffing roach poison to think it is well shot and well edited.
I haven't seen the new movie and I don't have a horse on that race but I'll just say this statement imo is absurdly silly. And I can categorically say I'm not speaking from nostalgia goggles since I didn't see the movie until way in my adulthood.
I'm not sure why people feel like they have to shit on something to uplift another thing. Stick to uplifting the thing you like.
I'm not shitting on anything. I fucking love that movie.
But it's really, really hard to take a fanbase seriously that when many of their complaints of the new one are totally in movies they put on a pedastal. A lot of them have weird ideas on what Star Wars even is. They think it's some enlightening space movie when it was only ever an epic space adventure. There's nothing wrong with that, but it feels like a giant portion of Star Wars attach the series to a label or something that it never really was and I think that colors a lot of their impressions of the new film. A lot them are also perfectly fine with comparing Empire to the new movie, and they're definitely willing to say it's inferior to the others even in areas it is objectively better in, such as editing and cinematography. I love the original trilogy to pieces, but arguing that the new film lacks ambience or cinematography when defending the original Star Wars trilogy is hilarious to me.
I would love for Headwalk to tell us why and how The Force Awakens has worse cinematography and editing than A New Hope or even Jedi. If anything, it's about the same in some ways.
TFA is awesome, and I will leave this thread now
Here's the thing: you aren't getting movies from the late 70's/early 80's made anymore. If that's the sort of thing you like and enjoy, don't watch big budget movies today, because you will be unsatisfied.
All things considered, TFA is about as good as it's going to get for a Disney Star War movie. Either enjoy it for what it is or don't watch it. You sound kind of like the No Mutants Allowed fanboys crying that a game THE EXACT SAME AS FALLOUT 1 OR 2 CAN'T BE MADE ANYMORE.
I was on a podcast that talked about TFA yesterday, and at the end we all agreed that nerds are the worst, because of a lack of self-control and stupid expectations. "This stupid cartoon about robot cars that I liked in the 80's should make a great movie, even though a no talent hack is directing it. I'll go see it 4 times because reasons."
You didn't. YMMV. But don't tell us we're all morons for feeling that way.
You didn't. YMMV. But don't tell us we're all morons for feeling that way.
again, i'm not sure where i called anyone a moron.
for all your "these nerds" accusations, you seem to take very personal offence to criticism of a film you enjoyed.
i really, really like Finn, Kylo Ren, and Rey. You said that the movie was about shoving as much crap to remind you this is Star Wars, but the movie was ultimately about a new generation as much as it was an old generation, and I can't wait to see where it all goes. I never got that once with the prequel trilogy, and calling the character interaction "heartless" seems a bit much.
Disassociate yourself from the things you like, folks. Life's nicer that way.You didn't. YMMV. But don't tell us we're all morons for feeling that way.
again, i'm not sure where i called anyone a moron.
for all your "these nerds" accusations, you seem to take very personal offence to criticism of a film you enjoyed.
The problem isn't criticism. The problem are your expectations combined with criticism without a shroud of personal context. You mentioned before that the cinematography is poor compared to the original trilogy, and when compounded with a rebuttal that the cinematography is pretty fucking solid (as it's one of JJ's positive points) you neglected to personally explain why the cinematography of the original trilogy was so good.
The problem isn't criticism. The problem are your expectations combined with criticism without a shroud of personal context. You mentioned before that the cinematography is poor compared to the original trilogy, and when compounded with a rebuttal that the cinematography is pretty fucking solid (as it's one of JJ's positive points) you neglected to personally explain why the cinematography of the original trilogy was so good.
when did i say the cinematography was poor, or did you just read into that because i said it's completely different from the originals?
think about the difference in how a mendes/deakins bond film is shot and a standard JJ film. i'm not going to argue one is better than the other, but the patience and use of space in the former is much closer to the orignals than the dynamic 3D roaming lens flare spectacular of the latter. you might argue that the former would be totally shit for a space fantasy yarn and would kill the action, and i'm sure disney would agree.
the opposite end would be lucas' prequels where it was practically a teleplay.
Headwalk, okay you didn't like the movie. We get it. Now bugger right on out of this thread if it's going to consist of you making 30 fucking posts about it.
Headwalk, okay you didn't like the movie. We get it. Now bugger right on out of this thread if it's going to consist of you making 30 fucking posts about it.
i'm having a conversation mate.
No you're not. You're not even listening to anybody else.
Okay then. Honestly, I haven't seen or experienced any Star Wars story, besides the original, that was "burning to be told". Not even games like KOTOR. Again, I think this factors into expectations. Was even the original trilogy burning to be told? I mean, in hindsight we think it is but it's because we grew up with them, and when you're young you have a larger inclination towards stories like Star Wars. I mean, originally, ANH was just Star Wars and there were no plans for a sequel, much less a trilogy. I think this also factors possibly into age. I'm not sure how old you are, or when you got into Star Wars, but I got into them with the Special Editions when they were in theaters in 1997. That was my introduction to Star Wars and sealed my love for space opera. But then I was an 11 year old kid, so of course Star Wars was a story "burning to be told". I thought Final Fantasy VII, which was released later in the year, was the best story I ever experienced. I was a fucking kid, and that's how kids think. It also helps that, again, depending on how old you are, all of the original trilogy were already out when you were a kid. We had the luxury of watching them back to back with ease and didn't have to wait two-three years for new entries. When the Special Editions came out, they would release one movie in the trilogy a month in theaters for a limited time only. Things are going to feel like they have a reason to be told when you get to watch the entire series in a three month time span, or if you had them on VHS or Laserdisc, in the span of a day.
In reality, the only reasoning these movies exist and have ever existed is to show a story of a youth with potential to defeat the dark big bad, which is all the justification they've ever really needed to exist.
ANH was also George Lucas's third movie, it's good to keep that in mind when assessing the cinematography and editing.Yeah, my son has had very little interest in watching them, though he had little trouble with Ep. I and II. :-\
TBH I'm not sure a movie like ones in the OT could be made today. It'd be seen as too boring.
TFA is awesome, and I will leave this thread now"You were right about one thing: the negotiations were brief...!"
Tried to see it in theaters with a friend. Every fucking seat was taken in two theaters except for a couple seats in the nose bleeds and two seats all the way in the back that weren't next to each other. Checked multiple times in two theaters, we were shit outta luck. Decided to go to a bar instead.
Fuck this pre-order seating bullshit, I don't remember this for any blockbuster in the past. If you want a good seat, get there before everyone else and stalk it out. The fact that movie theaters want to push their ticket pre-order system pisses me off.
Seriously, so if someone gets to theater a couple hours before everyone else, that doesn't matter if people pre-order their tickets and show up ten minutes before the movie starts? So fucking dumb.
Fuck this pre-order seating bullshit, I don't remember this for any blockbuster in the past. If you want a good seat, get there before everyone else and stalk it out. The fact that movie theaters want to push their ticket pre-order system pisses me off.
Fuck this pre-order seating bullshit, I don't remember this for any blockbuster in the past. If you want a good seat, get there before everyone else and stalk it out. The fact that movie theaters want to push their ticket pre-order system pisses me off.
???
when you buy a movie ticket don't you get assigned a seat? that's how literally every movie theater I've been to has done it.
Fuck this pre-order seating bullshit, I don't remember this for any blockbuster in the past. If you want a good seat, get there before everyone else and stalk it out. The fact that movie theaters want to push their ticket pre-order system pisses me off.
???
when you buy a movie ticket don't you get assigned a seat? that's how literally every movie theater I've been to has done it.
when you go to the movies in a huge group you just look like an asshole telling people half your crew is buying shit in the lobby
when you go to the movies in a huge group you just look like an asshole telling people half your crew is buying shit in the lobby
Who buys anything in the lobby anymore? Legit question, I haven't done it in years. Shit is too expensive. Better to eat before going to the movie.
forethought and planning leading to getting what you want
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."when you go to the movies in a huge group you just look like an asshole telling people half your crew is buying shit in the lobby
Who buys anything in the lobby anymore? Legit question, I haven't done it in years. Shit is too expensive. Better to eat before going to the movie.
Beer and cocktails don't have that much mark up tbh.
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."
You can't really do spontaneous the first couple weeks in the evening with certain films and expect a decent seat
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."
Serious question but tying into that and Star Wars, how come there are so many that thing Return of the Jedi is a shit movie because of the Ewok's existence? Is this a generational fan thing?
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."
Serious question but tying into that and Star Wars, how come there are so many that thing Return of the Jedi is a shit movie because of the Ewok's existence? Is this a generational fan thing?
I've seen that argument around for as long as I've had the Internet
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."
Serious question but tying into that and Star Wars, how come there are so many that thing Return of the Jedi is a shit movie because of the Ewok's existence? Is this a generational fan thing?
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."
Serious question but tying into that and Star Wars, how come there are so many that thing Return of the Jedi is a shit movie because of the Ewok's existence? Is this a generational fan thing?
I've seen that argument around for as long as I've had the Internet
I seriously need an explanation. It has always screamed anal in terms of nitpicks but what do I know? I watched that movie when I was 11 and it was my favorite. I never realized people think ROTJ is the turning point for Star Wars turning to shit until I got the internet. It was a total :wtf for me considering ROTJ was my fave.
Quoteforethought and planning leading to getting what you want
..And planning to get to a theater early to get the seats you want isn't?
"Excellent display of entitlement" ::)
I wanted to see a movie with a friend at the moment and every showtime had booked seats, I got disappointed and did something else with my time.
I'm glad you treat movies with such careful thought at tact, but I value spontaneous action and getting somewhere first over reserved seating for a screen and projector.
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."
Serious question but tying into that and Star Wars, how come there are so many that thing Return of the Jedi is a shit movie because of the Ewok's existence? Is this a generational fan thing?
I've seen that argument around for as long as I've had the Internet
I seriously need an explanation. It has always screamed anal in terms of nitpicks but what do I know? I watched that movie when I was 11 and it was my favorite. I never realized people think ROTJ is the turning point for Star Wars turning to shit until I got the internet. It was a total :wtf for me considering ROTJ was my fave.
Because the entire existence of the ewoks was a ploy to sell toys to kids. The original script had the final battle over the Wookie homeworld, and that shit would have owned hardcore. Instead we got marketable teddy bears that thought C3P0 was a god.
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The mistake is trying to take it seriously in the first place though :doge
It's got serious moments but it's hardly a serious batch of films...
Funny enough I think that's why the prequels are as terrible as they are, just tryhard stupid shit...
Funny enough I think that's why the prequels are as terrible as they are, just tryhard stupid shit...
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."when you go to the movies in a huge group you just look like an asshole telling people half your crew is buying shit in the lobby
Who buys anything in the lobby anymore? Legit question, I haven't done it in years. Shit is too expensive. Better to eat before going to the movie.
Beer and cocktails don't have that much mark up tbh.
I'm thankful that I have a local Movie Tavern. I guess I'm spoiled. No one has to leave because we use a thing to call the service to us. You can order beer and booze too, and they bring it to you. Place owns.
A New Hope is a simple, straight-up scifi adventure movie done well. It had a clear through line that it follows and rarely does it feel like it's deviating from that or adding in unnecessary things [special edition notwithstanding]. ROTJ, though, felt like it lacked focus at times and got distracted occasionally, along with relying more on dumb goofball humor for levity that was a hallmark of Lucas's later Star Wars movies [except ROTS] and the special edition of ANH. So, I just really feel like ROTJ, despite having some really great scenes, never quite came together into an amazing whole the way it should have.
If there's a woman in something and she's attractive, chances are she's hooking up with someone or someones. :dogeSo you're saying I have no chance with Captain Phasma?
If there's a woman in something and she's attractive, chances are she's hooking up with someone or someones. :dogeSo you're saying I have no chance with Captain Phasma?
If there's a woman in something and she's attractive, chances are she's hooking up with someone or someones. :doge
If there's a woman in something and she's attractive, chances are she's hooking up with someone or someones. :dogeSo you're saying I have no chance with Captain Phasma?
I'm saying be ready for some corny and forced relationships :yeshrug
She doesn't necessarily have to be a Mary Sue for her to get a man in the end, which pretty much always happens...
You're all wrong.
Rey is a lesbian.
The meltdowns will bring the world to its knees.
Typical human bigotry.spoiler (click to show/hide)Seeing a woman protagonist with a lightsaber in a Star Wars movie made me legit emotional Mod[close]
The funny thing about Rey is a lot of dudes are calling her a Mary Sue even though her development is no different than Luke's. If she were male, they wouldn't have any problems I bet. But because she's female,"I don't like a girl beating the bad guy like this" " she's good at too many things" and concern troll stuff which reeks of sexism.
The funny thing about Rey is a lot of dudes are calling her a Mary Sue even though her development is no different than Luke's. If she were male, they wouldn't have any problems I bet. But because she's female,"I don't like a girl beating the bad guy like this" " she's good at too many things" and concern troll stuff which reeks of sexism.
I thought Mary-Sue was a term for both male or female viewer-participant/placeholder characters.
I think Marty Sue is used for guys? Or Gary Sue?
Anyway, io9 demands people stop spreading nonsense that Rey is one:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/please-stop-spreading-this-nonsense-that-rey-from-star-1749134275
What the “Mary Sue” thing shows—other than that people will find any craptastic excuse to tear down female characters—is that memes have a decay rate. After a while, they wear out and you gotta find new ones. Fan culture is good at putting its finger on that one thing that’s bugging us at this one specific moment, but then absolutely terrible at generalizing and extrapolating, until you reach the heat death of criticism: total loss of information. This is a failure mode of fan culture, and it’s something to watch out for.
I think Marty Sue is used for guys? Or Gary Sue?
Anyway, io9 demands people stop spreading nonsense that Rey is one:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/please-stop-spreading-this-nonsense-that-rey-from-star-1749134275
Kenobi from the OT right, Kenobi from the prequels would definitely not sex anyone... :dogeWhat do you think he was doing during all those years in self-exile between the PT and OT?
TFA Visual Dictionary says "19-year-old Rey"aww couldn't be Kenobi's
Kylo Ren's BFF @jimwade Dec 19:lol
Hey @pablohidalgo do we have any idea what Kylo's age is in TFA? Around 30?
Pablo Hidalgo @pablohidalgo
@jimwade around there. 29-30.
or or or... SHE COULD BE A VIRGIN MIDICHLORIAN BIRTH YOU GUYS!
Going rumor is Snoke is Darth Plagueis so...Wasn't Palpatine lying about his power though?
#ITSALLCONNECTED
#POETRY
I don't know if there were even any appearances of non-Yoda of his species.
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:yuck
To confirm something said earlier I just read some guy claiming the film is antiwhite and promoting dirty interracialism.
or or or... SHE COULD BE A VIRGIN MIDICHLORIAN BIRTH YOU GUYS!
To confirm something said earlier I just read some guy claiming the film is antiwhite and promoting dirty interracialism.Is that the one where they point to her staff as an analogy for black cock?
To confirm something said earlier I just read some guy claiming the film is antiwhite and promoting dirty interracialism.Is that the one where they point to her staff as an analogy for black cock?
I can't find the hilarious conspiracy.jpgs any more. :goty2 Only thing I can find are references to the anti-white accusations on Twitter and assorted racist blog I won't link to.To confirm something said earlier I just read some guy claiming the film is antiwhite and promoting dirty interracialism.Is that the one where they point to her staff as an analogy for black cock?
:hitler
The thing that stuck out the most for me in the movie is how it tells a story about how a group of kids (basically) are saddled with the drama and baggage left over from their parents and constantly realize they are mostly ill equipped with dealing with it.A libertarian tale of revolt that's a metaphor for the national debt. Makes sense.
TFA is only better than ANH if you don't adjust for effects inflation.
ANH blows TFA away from a storytelling perspective.
depends how you like your character interaction. classical storytelling or joss whedon quip jabbering.
parsecs!
Lucas was derided and mocked for the new elements he introduced into his own saga in the prequels—but it was ultimately his lack of skill with directing, something he’s well aware of himself—that doomed those films. Without Lucas in the room, Abrams remade Star Wars. And that’s bad news for a sci-fi market that’s cozily embracing self-referentiality, sequel madness, and shared universe economies of scale.
Watched ANH recently after not having seen it for years, and it was striking how few ships were involved in the assault on the Death Star. That was some season 1 Game of Thrones shit.
Watched ANH recently after not having seen it for years, and it was striking how few ships were involved in the assault on the Death Star. That was some season 1 Game of Thrones shit.
Watched ANH recently after not having seen it for years, and it was striking how few ships were involved in the assault on the Death Star. That was some season 1 Game of Thrones shit.
SPOILER: HAN DIESspoiler (click to show/hide)In The Fast & The Furious movies.
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This movie was 75% ass and 25% kickass
This new timeline with a distinguished mentally-challenged New Republic which was so stupid it almost karmically deserved to get blown up makes me miss Timothy Zahn's version of this universe... though admittedly other authors wrecked it beyond all hope by the timeframe comparable to these movies.
Watched it last night. I thought it was a good entertaining romp. I didn't think it was great or as good as the original 2 films mainly because of the lack of new things. But its easily on par with jedi and of course its better than all the shitty prequels. My complaints would be that it occasionally leans on nostalgia too much as a crutch and that its predictable. But that second complaint exists for 99% of films.Would you say that it... gives A New Hope to the Return of the Jedi franchise in which a certain Empire Strikes Back??
I liked the new cast especially John Boyega who gave the movie a sense of fun. I liked the tone of the movie which felt more appropriate and actually like Star Wars once again unlike those awful prequels. I think this movie turned out as well as could be expected given what they were trying to achieve and the stink of the last 3 films. I think it gives hope to the franchise which it was lacking.
SPOILER: HAN DIESspoiler (click to show/hide)In The Fast & The Furious movies.
:heyman[close]
Bork prophet total
Watched it last night. I thought it was a good entertaining romp. I didn't think it was great or as good as the original 2 films mainly because of the lack of new things. But its easily on par with jedi and of course its better than all the shitty prequels. My complaints would be that it occasionally leans on nostalgia too much as a crutch and that its predictable. But that second complaint exists for 99% of films.Would you say that it... gives A New Hope to the Return of the Jedi franchise in which a certain Empire Strikes Back??
I liked the new cast especially John Boyega who gave the movie a sense of fun. I liked the tone of the movie which felt more appropriate and actually like Star Wars once again unlike those awful prequels. I think this movie turned out as well as could be expected given what they were trying to achieve and the stink of the last 3 films. I think it gives hope to the franchise which it was lacking.
Me too ;)Watched it last night. I thought it was a good entertaining romp. I didn't think it was great or as good as the original 2 films mainly because of the lack of new things. But its easily on par with jedi and of course its better than all the shitty prequels. My complaints would be that it occasionally leans on nostalgia too much as a crutch and that its predictable. But that second complaint exists for 99% of films.Would you say that it... gives A New Hope to the Return of the Jedi franchise in which a certain Empire Strikes Back??
I liked the new cast especially John Boyega who gave the movie a sense of fun. I liked the tone of the movie which felt more appropriate and actually like Star Wars once again unlike those awful prequels. I think this movie turned out as well as could be expected given what they were trying to achieve and the stink of the last 3 films. I think it gives hope to the franchise which it was lacking.
Personally, I could go either way.
Been re watching the Plinkett reviews and man, it's shocking to me how much of the flaws and mind boggling decisions weren't present here. The flaws are different but small compared to what happened before and the good the movie does do.
I understand Snorenado and others not being sure about the fanservice. I disagree but it isn't something I don't see some coming away with. But I do appreciate that we can all agree that it's a good movie. Which I'm sure is all we wanted in the first place.
Been re watching the Plinkett reviews and man, it's shocking to me how much of the flaws and mind boggling decisions weren't present here. The flaws are different but small compared to what happened before and the good the movie does do.
I understand Snorenado and others not being sure about the fanservice. I disagree but it isn't something I don't see some coming away with. But I do appreciate that we can all agree that it's a good movie. Which I'm sure is all we wanted in the first place.
Been re watching the Plinkett reviews and man, it's shocking to me how much of the flaws and mind boggling decisions weren't present here. The flaws are different but small compared to what happened before and the good the movie does do.
I understand Snorenado and others not being sure about the fanservice. I disagree but it isn't something I don't see some coming away with. But I do appreciate that we can all agree that it's a good movie. Which I'm sure is all we wanted in the first place.
Reminds me of one of the interviews with JJ where he talked about Kasdan influencing his writing on the film. Kasdan would be telling him, "You don't have to say that! Just let the characters be" or something similar to that. You can definitely tell how they got the most out of minimal dialogue in certain areas.
If you're going to have characters talking about a code of space-bushido and a mystical force that flows through life and the universe, binding it all together, it's good to have a character taking the piss out of it a bit, or it can get self-serious in a hurry.
One of the billion problems with the prequels was having the protagonists be almost exclusively Jedi.
Honestly, I want an Obi Wan movie.
There's way more Jedi in the KOTOR games than either the OG (eps 4-6) trilogy or this new one.
Personally, I would like to see them turn the first KOTOR game into a trilogy- it would work perfectly. Obviously the 2nd game has a better story but I think Revan's character arc from the first would make for better movies.
Jack Nicholson is my favorite actor of all time, but nah. Love the guy but don't really want to see him in every role, and he wouldn't have worked out as Indy or Han IMO.I don't know why I just thought of this, but that-era's Chevy Chase would have also been a good choice for Han Solo. Bruce Dern, too.
Harrison Ford is why those characters are as popular as they are, he did a great job making them what they are and I wouldn't have it any different.
Indy > Han btw.
Honestly, I want an Obi Wan movie.
Jack Nicholson is my favorite actor of all time, but nah. Love the guy but don't really want to see him in every role, and he wouldn't have worked out as Indy or Han IMO.I don't know why I just thought of this, but that-era's Chevy Chase would have also been a good choice for Han Solo. Bruce Dern, too.
Harrison Ford is why those characters are as popular as they are, he did a great job making them what they are and I wouldn't have it any different.
Indy > Han btw.
Jack Nicholson is my favorite actor of all time, but nah. Love the guy but don't really want to see him in every role, and he wouldn't have worked out as Indy or Han IMO.I don't know why I just thought of this, but that-era's Chevy Chase would have also been a good choice for Han Solo. Bruce Dern, too.
Harrison Ford is why those characters are as popular as they are, he did a great job making them what they are and I wouldn't have it any different.
Indy > Han btw.
No and hell no.
Only other legit option for Han Solo would have been Tom Selleck and it would have to be taken an entirely different direction. He would have worked but he wouldn't have worked out like Ford did.
denzen as han :drool
KOTOR 1 could be split into 3 movies, easily.
Episode 1: amnesia Revan wakes up on the ship, has to escape with Carth, then rescue Bastilla. Rest of the movie is training on Dantooine and then discovering the existence of the Star Forge in the ruins.
Episode 2: galaxy spanning scavenger hunt, with stops on Manaan, Kashyyk, and Tatooine to discover clues about the Star Forge. Movie ends with revelation of Revan's true identity.
Episode 3: Korriban and the Star Forge. Revan chooses to save the galaxy and is redeemed, flies off into uncharted space at the end if you want to do more KOTOR movies.
Done-ski.
I've been thinking about the young Han Solo movie that Disney has coming up in 2018 and I can think of a few ways that could turn out good, or at least entertaining. I'd really like for it to really explore the dark underbelly of the Star Wars universe that we've really only had a glimpse of so far: bounty hunters, rough and tumble outpost cantinas, crime lords, and smuggling. There's definitely a lot of room to play around with some cool locations and weird characters, maybe have it either be some sort of swashbuckling high-seas pirate adventure set in space or a scifi heist movie. Hopefully they don't try to play it really safe and have it be just some straight-forward, a-to-b checklist of Han's life story, though I kinda think that's exactly what they'll do.The funny thing is that in the first movie they do a bunch of implying that Han isn't necessarily to be trusted, only cares about the skrilla and he's only a temporary ally because that's no moon. Then suddenly he's totally on board with the rebellion, while continuously saying he's only around until [X]. Even with the hamfisted Leia subplot.
Edit: But with Phil Lord and Christopher Miller directing, I have some hope.
I've been thinking about the young Han Solo movie that Disney has coming up in 2018 and I can think of a few ways that could turn out good, or at least entertaining. I'd really like for it to really explore the dark underbelly of the Star Wars universe that we've really only had a glimpse of so far: bounty hunters, rough and tumble outpost cantinas, crime lords, and smuggling. There's definitely a lot of room to play around with some cool locations and weird characters, maybe have it either be some sort of swashbuckling high-seas pirate adventure set in space or a scifi heist movie. Hopefully they don't try to play it really safe and have it be just some straight-forward, a-to-b checklist of Han's life story, though I kinda think that's exactly what they'll do.The funny thing is that in the first movie they do a bunch of implying that Han isn't necessarily to be trusted, only cares about the skrilla and he's only a temporary ally because that's no moon. Then suddenly he's totally on board with the rebellion, while continuously saying he's only around until [X]. Even with the hamfisted Leia subplot.
Edit: But with Phil Lord and Christopher Miller directing, I have some hope.
KOTOR 1 could be split into 3 movies, easily.
Episode 1: amnesia Revan wakes up on the ship, has to escape with Carth, then rescue Bastilla. Rest of the movie is training on Dantooine and then discovering the existence of the Star Forge in the ruins.
Episode 2: galaxy spanning scavenger hunt, with stops on Manaan, Kashyyk, and Tatooine to discover clues about the Star Forge. Movie ends with revelation of Revan's true identity.
Episode 3: Korriban and the Star Forge. Revan chooses to save the galaxy and is redeemed, flies off into uncharted space at the end if you want to do more KOTOR movies.
Done-ski.
Sounds like three acts of one movie to me. :yeshrug
We need more self-contained shit, not less.
We need more self-contained shit, not less.
We need more self-contained shit, not less.
Yeah, but we also need fewer movies trying to shoehorn in multiple plot arcs (eg Dark Knight Rises, Age of Ultron, etc.).
KOTOR $3, "Gold" Wine status - http://store.steampowered.com/app/32370/
KOTOR II $3, has native Linux client - http://store.steampowered.com/app/208580/
I'm on Mac now. And my free time is far more precious than those price tags at the moment.Good news, both on Mac!
So I'm 90% convinced Snoke is Plagueis
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or or or... SHE COULD BE A VIRGIN MIDICHLORIAN BIRTH YOU GUYS!
Going rumor is Snoke is Darth Plagueis so...
#ITSALLCONNECTED
#POETRY
Who the fuck is Plagueis? Is this EU shit?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05dT34hGRdg
Rey's theme sounds like something I've heard in Beauty and the Beast and Harry Potter. Still love it.
Who the fuck is Plagueis? Is this EU shit?
Who the fuck is Plagueis? Is this EU shit?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05dT34hGRdg
So, yes.
Also, I know we've all just been talking about the movie itself in here, but box-office-wise, it looks like, domestically at least, TFA is going to tell Avatar that daddy's home and give it a spankin'
It was an incredibly fun movie, the best parts being the action and funny lines plus Rey's awesomeness coming from her noggin/no adolescent damsel fantasies. Still fuzzy on the backstory on how the Imperials rose up again in the First Order and Rey's backstory but that'll probably be explained in the next movies.
There are some weird plot inconsistencies that make you go like :gurlSome of that is just hating on scifi writing.spoiler (click to show/hide)QuoteHow easily Poe's X-Wing was disabled by blaster rifles but the storm troopers couldn't stop the objectively weaker Tie Fighter when Finn helps Poe escapeFirst Order TIE fighters are actually shielded, whereas Imperial ones were not. The FO is short on pilots, so they invested in sturdier TIE. It's not clear if Poe's X-Wing is shielded when it was hit. My guess is that shields can't be engaged while landed.QuoteHow Kylo Ren was able to just absorb so many blaster/bocaster shots when episode 3 made it seem like Jedis were as vulnerable to blasters as anyone elseKylo's got the Force running dark side rage to keep him on his feet. You can see him even hitting his wounds to give himself more rage and pain on which to feed.QuoteHow an untrained Rey could overpower Ren so easily when a couple days earlier she thought Jedis were a mythThe rage and pain fueling him made him reckless; as it's been pointed out, Finn's fight with Kylo could have been cut short by Force-throwing him into a tree or choking him or whatever. As it was, he seemed to take little heed of safety or tactics in either battle, and that is part of how he fails to win.
And how the First Order built the starkiller thing without Resistance/New Republic noticing
Still other speculation on Rey's skills involve her actually having been a youngling at Luke's academy, but either repressing the memory or having it sealed away from her for her own safety.[close]
Also don't watch it in 3d, it's not even worth the trouble of wearing the glasses. It really feels like the movie was shot for a 2D experience. Overall, you could tell they had to try to fit in a lot and I don't mind at all that they sort of rehashed the plot of episode 4 here since it shows how history repeats itself. This movie definitely has it's own unique personality too despite the nostalgia references everywhere.
Harrison Ford received an eight-figured paycheck ($10-20 million).
Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill made salaries in the low seven-figure range.
Oscar Isaac and Adam Driver got mid- to high-six figures (above $500,000).
Daisy Ridley and John Boyega earned something between $100,000-$300,000.
Quote from: http://www.imdb.com/news/ni59319564/?ref=tsm_1_fb_s_IMDb_Marketing&linkId=19815464Harrison Ford received an eight-figured paycheck ($10-20 million).
Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill made salaries in the low seven-figure range.
Oscar Isaac and Adam Driver got mid- to high-six figures (above $500,000).
Daisy Ridley and John Boyega earned something between $100,000-$300,000.
:leon
They'll be making bank on all the publicity and appearances after this movie, and a ton on the sequels
It was an incredibly fun movie, the best parts being the action and funny lines plus Rey's awesomeness coming from her noggin/no adolescent damsel fantasies. Still fuzzy on the backstory on how the Imperials rose up again in the First Order and Rey's backstory but that'll probably be explained in the next movies.
There are some weird plot inconsistencies that make you go like :gurlSome of that is just hating on scifi writing.spoiler (click to show/hide)QuoteHow easily Poe's X-Wing was disabled by blaster rifles but the storm troopers couldn't stop the objectively weaker Tie Fighter when Finn helps Poe escapeFirst Order TIE fighters are actually shielded, whereas Imperial ones were not. The FO is short on pilots, so they invested in sturdier TIE. It's not clear if Poe's X-Wing is shielded when it was hit. My guess is that shields can't be engaged while landed.QuoteHow Kylo Ren was able to just absorb so many blaster/bocaster shots when episode 3 made it seem like Jedis were as vulnerable to blasters as anyone elseKylo's got the Force running dark side rage to keep him on his feet. You can see him even hitting his wounds to give himself more rage and pain on which to feed.QuoteHow an untrained Rey could overpower Ren so easily when a couple days earlier she thought Jedis were a mythThe rage and pain fueling him made him reckless; as it's been pointed out, Finn's fight with Kylo could have been cut short by Force-throwing him into a tree or choking him or whatever. As it was, he seemed to take little heed of safety or tactics in either battle, and that is part of how he fails to win.
And how the First Order built the starkiller thing without Resistance/New Republic noticing
Still other speculation on Rey's skills involve her actually having been a youngling at Luke's academy, but either repressing the memory or having it sealed away from her for her own safety.[close]
Also don't watch it in 3d, it's not even worth the trouble of wearing the glasses. It really feels like the movie was shot for a 2D experience. Overall, you could tell they had to try to fit in a lot and I don't mind at all that they sort of rehashed the plot of episode 4 here since it shows how history repeats itself. This movie definitely has it's own unique personality too despite the nostalgia references everywhere.
I'm a little out of the loop, but holiday 2016 will see Rogue one release and May 2017 will see Ep VIII's? And if I'm not mistaken there are two Anthology movies coming after VIII?
If so, this is already looking like Marvel's fatiguing schedule. Good job, Disney.
If I was a pettier man I'd post quotes of Andrex and thisismyusername saying Avengers 2 will make more money than Star Wars :heh
I'm ignoring the spinoff till torrents, mostly sticking to the episodes. Marvel fatigue won't set in till it's been 8 years with 2 or 3 movies a year. It will set in eventually, though. Ain't one got time for the EU on movie screens for too long. Even though they'll definitely still make bank. Just not first good SW movie after ten years money.
If I was a pettier man I'd post quotes of Andrex and thisismyusername saying Avengers 2 will make more money than Star Wars :heh
I'm ignoring the spinoff till torrents, mostly sticking to the episodes. Marvel fatigue won't set in till it's been 8 years with 2 or 3 movies a year. It will set in eventually, though. Ain't one got time for the EU on movie screens for too long. Even though they'll definitely still make bank. Just not first good SW movie after ten years money.
Look at you pretending like nerds have sense and won't keep going to Marvel movies no matter what
:heh
And yeah, poor Joss Whedon. Turns out JJ can do snappy one liner dialog better than he can AND develop better characters that people are actually invested in. Suck it, Whedon fans.
Definitely noticed a few things I wasn't as into this time around though. Namely Han and Ben's encounter and what Han was even planning there. Part of me thinks he knew full well what was going to happen, and I think Ben was being sincere about how torn he was...but I don't know, I felt like there's more to it that we won't learn about until later.
Luke's a shitty dad if thats the case
If I was a pettier man I'd post quotes of Andrex and thisismyusername saying Avengers 2 will make more money than Star Wars :heh
I want to start by stating I truly have enjoyed all Star Wars movies prior to this one. Even the prequels (which are obviously not as good) demolish this movie in plot, character building and EVEN action sequences. (there is only two lightsaber battles and they last seconds)
Anyone with a brain and knowledge of the original trilogy can see that Star Wars: Episode VII was a regurgitation of the first three film's plot condensed into two hours. Everything was the same with slight twists down to the famous "Luke, I am your father" scene except it's with Han Solo and his apparent Sith son who stabs and throws off of the new Death Star.
They added a bigger and badder Death Star, tossed Anakin's lightsaber around to whoever felt like using it to fight and did a terrible job of carrying on Star Wars essence. It was flooded with humor and half a**ed acting. There was no training or build up of power Rey is literally able to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord as a teenage girl who days before didn't even know she was a Jedi. Finn was able to wield and use a lightsaber although as far as I am concerned he is not a Jedi.
Han Solo and Chewbacca just happen to come across the Millennium Falcon after 30 years which just happens to have Luke Skywalker's daughter, Finn, and a droid carrying the map to Luke Skywalker on it. The film was pretty much downhill for me from this point on I spent most of my time watching this with a "What???" face and hands up in confusion as to how they could have made the film suck so bad.
This film literally spanned out the introduction of old characters we know and love in order to keep our attention and keep us excited to see the next only to disappoint us with no further elaboration in story and literally no emotion. Leia hardly even reacted to losing the love of her life Han Solo. The dialogue between the two of them was rushed and obvious that they were trying to explain 30 years of story in small talk.
What I take as the mentality for this film: MAKE A BIGGER DEATHSTAR, OH BIGGER EMPEROR TOO (srsly what was up with that), GIRL JEDI MAIN CHARACTER, BLACK GUY WHO MIGHT BE A JEDI TOO MAIN CHARACTER (I am African American so don't take this as racism) people are going TO EAT THIS UP. And congratulations, you all did and now they will keep milking the franchise and making terribly thought out films with nothing more than CGI and humor to make up for it.
Throughout this film I found myself wanting to walk out of the theater and just be done but I couldn't resist waiting for the punchline of this joke of a film and boy did I get it. After all of the humor riddled torture we are brought to the final scene. Rey is going to see her long lost dad who I guess spent all of this time standing on a random mountain looking at the beach. And then it happens, what we had all been waiting for. Luke turns around and sees the daughter he was forced to abandon and she hold out Anakin's lightsaber as some odd tribute to him (I don't see the symbolism in this) at this point I just burst out laughing at how bad this journey has been and that's it it's over. The next thing I see is JJ Abrams. I proceeded to scream "BOO" at the screen multiple times with the only response to it being "cmon it wasn't that bad" after that I walked outside and contemplated throwing up as the movie was so bad it caused me to feel nauseous.
This film took advantage of Star Wars fans and played into a hand of re-doing famous scenes with different characters and telling the same story over again. It's sad that people actually think this movie was good or acceptable because now they are going to once again shame the Star Wars name.
BOYCOTT EPISODE 8. THIS RENDITION NEEDS TO BE SCRAPPED AND REBOOTED THEY ARE JUST MILKING THIS FRANCHISE.
Lucas told us Han Solo was married to a Wookiee but that we couldn’t mention that because it would be controversial.
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star war annihilated
I love the useless labeling on these.my favorite is the one on the Millennium Falcon
‘I certainly have, along the way, slept with a nerd. But I don’t think I ever got anything out of it except the sex. It was probably good. Nerds will surprise you. They’re way more enthusiastic. More bang with your buck,’ she told the New York Daily News.
Luke's a shitty dad if thats the case
QuoteLucas told us Han Solo was married to a Wookiee but that we couldn’t mention that because it would be controversial.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/72863/dark-side-oral-history-star-wars-holiday-special
Herman: The interesting thing is, the day after the special aired was the day of the Jonestown Massacre. It was just a bad time for everyone.
Man, if it could knock Avatar off... poor Glen Shinobi.
Quote‘I certainly have, along the way, slept with a nerd. But I don’t think I ever got anything out of it except the sex. It was probably good. Nerds will surprise you. They’re way more enthusiastic. More bang with your buck,’ she told the New York Daily News.
Wonder how high she'd get.
Doing drugs with Carrie and then fucking her :aah
Quote‘I certainly have, along the way, slept with a nerd. But I don’t think I ever got anything out of it except the sex. It was probably good. Nerds will surprise you. They’re way more enthusiastic. More bang with your buck,’ she told the New York Daily News.
Wonder how high she'd get.
Doing drugs with Carrie and then fucking her :aah
http://imgur.com/gallery/005s3
:drool
This stretches the boundaries of suspended disbelief a hell of a lot more than a laser sword or hyperspace.It really doesn't. I'm not really thinking about hardcore scientific fact while watching Star Wars.
It was a cool-looking shot, but it should have been cut.
Han Solo times a deceleration from lightspeed so as to bypass a force field by saying "...now!" and doing it manually.Now that did strike me as kind of dumb, but the movie moves at such a quick pace that I just let it go.
If light just travels faster in star wars land do they even need ftl? An elegant solution perhaps.
Han Solo times a deceleration from lightspeed so as to bypass a force field by saying "...now!" and doing it manually.
Anyone who has taken even 1st grade science knows that light travels at about 300,000 meters per second, and that light from the star closest to Earth takes over 4 years to reach us.
Anyone who has taken even 1st grade science knows that light travels at about 300,000 meters per second, and that light from the star closest to Earth takes over 4 years to reach us.
Ahaha. What? I mean, maybe this fact is covered in a first grade textbook somewhere, but I have a pretty strong suspicion that most 6 to 7 year olds don't really have a strong concept of scale as to what this really means.
And yes, I am aware that I'm replying to Shinobi here.
movie was good, I actually feel like watching it again. any good torrents out yet?
theaters are too damn expensive, or I might just go pay to see it a second time. I caught a regular matinee showing(no 3D or imax bullshit) and it was still about $10. I hate my lifeWow. A matinee here in Houston at a theater with reserved, reclining seats is $5.80.
theaters are too damn expensive, or I might just go pay to see it a second time. I caught a regular matinee showing(no 3D or imax bullshit) and it was still about $10. I hate my lifeWow. A matinee here in Houston at a theater with reserved, reclining seats is $5.80.
does the price inlcude underage school girl?theaters are too damn expensive, or I might just go pay to see it a second time. I caught a regular matinee showing(no 3D or imax bullshit) and it was still about $10. I hate my lifeWow. A matinee here in Houston at a theater with reserved, reclining seats is $5.80.
It's about $20 per seat in Japan. :-\
theaters are too damn expensive, or I might just go pay to see it a second time. I caught a regular matinee showing(no 3D or imax bullshit) and it was still about $10. I hate my lifeWow. A matinee here in Houston at a theater with reserved, reclining seats is $5.80.
It's about $20 per seat in Japan. :-\
Modern blockbusters are not enjoyable the way the original "Star Wars" was, because they come at you as artifacts of high finance. Sitting in the theater at "Avatar," I felt like I was being pounded into submission by a giant hedge fund. Watching "The Force Awakens," I felt as though I was being shown a trailer for the next four movies in the series. Except that trailers aren't normally two hours long and you don't have to pay $12.50 to see them.
It was said of George Lucas that he originally envisioned "Star Wars" as the first of a trilogy, which became reimagined as a series of three trilogies, and ended with two. Now we're at seven films, and anyone who thinks "Star Wars" will end at nine features doesn't know their Disney. The company, you see, is not really a movie studio, but an entertainment conglomerate. For Disney, "Star Wars" will be the gift that keeps giving. You, the consumer, are the mark who keeps paying.
"Star Wars" sequels, prequels, and requels are destined to be part of moviemaking into the infinite future. One can envision Hollywood eventually turning out only two products: "Star Wars" movies and James Bond movies, each periodically "rebooted" for a new generation of customers by casting the latest new young stars in new costumes facing the same old perils and uttering the same old quips, with every other vestige of creative originality relegated to the void and forgotten.
There's a theater in Atlanta that has first showing of the day for $4.25.
:rejoice
Let's be real, some people were always going to hate it. Some of it is expectations, some of it is because it's a new installment. Who really cares?
There's a theater in Atlanta that has first showing of the day for $4.25.
:rejoice
Which theater?
"They wanted to do a retro movie. I don't like that," the franchise's creator told Charlie Rose.
Star Wars creator George Lucas took a slight shot at The Walt Disney Company during a recent interview with Charlie Rose.
Lucas sold his space adventure franchise to Disney for $4 billion in 2012. The latest title released under the Disney moniker has already grossed more than $1 billion.
While talking to Rose about how much he loved the films he created and four of which he directed -- even calling them his "kids" -- Lucas said “I sold them to the white slavers that take these things, and…” Lucas did not finish his thought (49 minutes in to the clip below), but rather laughed before Rose moved on to another question.
Lucas went on to tell Rose he has accepted that the franchise is now in other hands, then he somewhat criticized the latest installment, The Force Awakens.
"They wanted to do a retro movie. I don't like that. Every movie, I worked very hard to make them different," Lucas told Rose. "I made them completely different -- different planets, different spaceships to make it new."
Before the deal came about, Lucas said he planned on writing and directing the sequels to his original trilogy. Then the sale occurred. Disney was not interested in his ideas for the follow-ups, so he stayed away from the production of Force Awakens, he said.
"They weren’t that keen to have me involved anyway, but if I get in there, I’m just going to cause trouble, because they’re not going to do what I want them to do. And I don’t have the control to do that anymore, and all I would do is muck everything up,” he said. “And so I said, ‘OK, I will go my way, and I’ll let them go their way.’”
The latest installment has been a massive success and will likely become the highest grossing film of all time.
Quote"They wanted to do a retro movie. I don't like that," the franchise's creator told Charlie Rose.
Star Wars creator George Lucas took a slight shot at The Walt Disney Company during a recent interview with Charlie Rose.
Lucas sold his space adventure franchise to Disney for $4 billion in 2012. The latest title released under the Disney moniker has already grossed more than $1 billion.
While talking to Rose about how much he loved the films he created and four of which he directed -- even calling them his "kids" -- Lucas said “I sold them to the white slavers that take these things, and…” Lucas did not finish his thought (49 minutes in to the clip below), but rather laughed before Rose moved on to another question.
Lucas went on to tell Rose he has accepted that the franchise is now in other hands, then he somewhat criticized the latest installment, The Force Awakens.
"They wanted to do a retro movie. I don't like that. Every movie, I worked very hard to make them different," Lucas told Rose. "I made them completely different -- different planets, different spaceships to make it new."
Before the deal came about, Lucas said he planned on writing and directing the sequels to his original trilogy. Then the sale occurred. Disney was not interested in his ideas for the follow-ups, so he stayed away from the production of Force Awakens, he said.
"They weren’t that keen to have me involved anyway, but if I get in there, I’m just going to cause trouble, because they’re not going to do what I want them to do. And I don’t have the control to do that anymore, and all I would do is muck everything up,” he said. “And so I said, ‘OK, I will go my way, and I’ll let them go their way.’”
The latest installment has been a massive success and will likely become the highest grossing film of all time.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-lucas-quips-he-sold-851545
Quote"They wanted to do a retro movie. I don't like that," the franchise's creator told Charlie Rose.
Star Wars creator George Lucas took a slight shot at The Walt Disney Company during a recent interview with Charlie Rose.
Lucas sold his space adventure franchise to Disney for $4 billion in 2012. The latest title released under the Disney moniker has already grossed more than $1 billion.
While talking to Rose about how much he loved the films he created and four of which he directed -- even calling them his "kids" -- Lucas said “I sold them to the white slavers that take these things, and…” Lucas did not finish his thought (49 minutes in to the clip below), but rather laughed before Rose moved on to another question.
Lucas went on to tell Rose he has accepted that the franchise is now in other hands, then he somewhat criticized the latest installment, The Force Awakens.
"They wanted to do a retro movie. I don't like that. Every movie, I worked very hard to make them different," Lucas told Rose. "I made them completely different -- different planets, different spaceships to make it new."
Before the deal came about, Lucas said he planned on writing and directing the sequels to his original trilogy. Then the sale occurred. Disney was not interested in his ideas for the follow-ups, so he stayed away from the production of Force Awakens, he said.
"They weren’t that keen to have me involved anyway, but if I get in there, I’m just going to cause trouble, because they’re not going to do what I want them to do. And I don’t have the control to do that anymore, and all I would do is muck everything up,” he said. “And so I said, ‘OK, I will go my way, and I’ll let them go their way.’”
The latest installment has been a massive success and will likely become the highest grossing film of all time.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-lucas-quips-he-sold-851545
You'd think the director of the classic Red Tails would be more concious about saying shit like that
:letsfukk
Star Wars has always been about coincidences PD. a droid that happens to belong to Leia to search for Obi Wan lands on the same planet as him.
Star Wars has always been about coincidences PD. a droid that happens to belong to Leia to search for Obi Wan lands on the same planet as him. Not only that, but the droid is sold to the would be savior of the Galaxy on a whim, who just happens to know the same guy that R2 is looking for who the droid's master - Luke's twin sister.helios answered the first part
Everything about Star Wars sits upon these series of coincidences. Why is Rey and Finn being taken to the same place where Luke's lightsaber is bad, but the Millenium Falcon just happening upon the Death Star - which just happens to have the very princess they're trying to rescue - somehow good? No one has yet managed to answer this for me.
Star Wars has always been coincidental bullshit ruled by destiny. It's why half of the complaints for TFA make no sense to me: because most of the large ones like yours already exist within the ordinal trilogy.
Not the most advanced or original concept, but a little bit of world building would've gone a long way to establishing the legitimacy of the universe inbetween the zingers and call backs.
So basically TFA is Walking With A Panther, specifically Going Back To Cali. Oh man Rick Rubin is back and everything is gonna be back to normal. Then you hear the rest of the album.
such whine
much butthurt
GEORGE
wow
I'm trying my hardest to make a Coldplay or U2 alternative metaphor for the white version of this.
:stahp
Because Obi Wan has been watching over him in a neglectful dad sort of way.
Who just happens to know Obi Wan.
Who just happens to know Leia.Because he was there when she was born. And given to a group of people who opposed the Empire from the start. Leia didn't know him. She was just told by her father that Obi Wan is a cool guy.
Who just happens to be imprisoned by Darth VaderRebel scum being imprisoned is a coincidence now?
They hitch a ride on a crappy ship, trying to find a princess. They go into hyperdrive escaping the ships on Tatooine and when they get out they just happen to be at the exact place where the princess is kept and is the enemy's super secret weapon.They were not in search of the Princess; they were going to Alderaan to deliver the Death Star plans like Leia wanted. The coincidence happens when the Empire decides to use its super weapon on Alderaan right before the MF got there. When they get pulled into the Death Star, they are looking for a way to escape. They only go rescue Leia after R2 found her in the Death Star's system.
There's a theater in Atlanta that has first showing of the day for $4.25.
:rejoice
Which theater?
North Dekalb Mall. Pretty far from where you're at if I remember correctly?
Hell the next film will feature Rey training with a long lost Jedi master
such whine
much butthurt
GEORGE
wow
He's not really complaining at all if you watch the video. He is joking for a few good minutes, comparing Star Wars to his kids, to his ex and then... Badly, as slaves. But he is laughing the whole way through and saying he knew this would happen, and he accepted from the beginning to not have anything to do with the movie, as he would mess it up too much.
The film has arguably one of the worst climaxes of the series. Firmly behind the OT and ROTS (Obi Wan v Anakin) in that regard.
I seriously need clarification on this, PD.
You really thought that a movie called The Force Awakens, that has Mark Hammill as Luke Skywalker, won't have him in the movies in the capacity of a teacher that will teach the new generation?
What did you expect Mark Hammil's role to be in the new trilogy when it was announced he was on board? If Luke wasn't going to be a teacher in the middle movie, he was going to be one in the first or third movie. But for real, serious question: what did you expect?
Has the trilogy been generally planned out already, storytelling wise, or has Abrams simply worked on the story of one film? Ultimately the script is the problem with TFA, not the directing. I'd be curious to know who is writing the next one.
Has the trilogy been generally planned out already, storytelling wise, or has Abrams simply worked on the story of one film? Ultimately the script is the problem with TFA, not the directing. I'd be curious to know who is writing the next one.
Speaking to The LA Times, he said: ‘These movies will all be so different. [Episode 8 director] Rian Johnson is a friend of mine — he’s going to make some weird thing.http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/30/star-wars-screenwriter-says-episode-8-is-going-to-be-weird-so-be-prepared-everyone-5592652/#ixzz3vvYKr3bN
Saw it.
Was entertaining enough and I had fun.
Nerds gotta dissect the shit out of it though I guess.
I lost it at "The newly-renamed Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center" :lol :lol :lol
ANH? The movie where the main characters just happen to find the bad guys lair out of sheer luck that happens to house the princess they're looking for? That felt large?
:lol
so I was rewatching ANH earlier today and it really just did so much better getting you up to date with what's been going down in their world and the whole politics side.
A New Hope felt like an old (poorly aged) movie when I saw it so I gave it a pass for not explaining to us why there's a princess fighting a dude in a cape since it was just a really cool and fun world.ANH? The movie where the main characters just happen to find the bad guys lair out of sheer luck that happens to house the princess they're looking for? That felt large?
:lol
Luke fiddles with R2 and he accidentally poops out the top secret encrypted message that says "go to Alderaan to save the world fuckboys" so since he's all turned on and his aunt/uncle are dead he grabs Solo and they head to Alderaan but they get there a little late and the Death Star grabs them right there. It's not brilliant writing but it explains everything.
Yeah I remember being confused as a kid why Princess Leia was fighting the emperor who was probably her dad or something. They didn't really explain that royalty stuff too well in the original trilogy but the second trilogy showed that her mom was the youngest democratically elected queen of Naboo and her adoptive father was a senator which explained everything.
mods help, https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/3zglnb/star_wars_fans_that_didnt_like_the_force_awakens/
1000+ odd comments there. not sure you'll be able to set them all straight but i'm sure you'll give it a go.
have fun mate.
Got the chance to see it again with my lil bro this time. He liked it and his opinion almost exactly mirrors mine in that he likes it but he's not sure yet. It's also growing on him more as he thinks about just like it happened with me. :lol
For me, I liked it more. Mostly because I started noticing more potential in it. Specifically Kylo Ren, I like that he's a dweeb a little more now(even though I still find it kinda grating) but it feels like a lot of it could be elevated or drop down here by the sequels. I still really like the movie, but if the sequel somehow fucks up it will most definitely take this movie down a few pegs. I trust in Johnson so I'm not worried, hell I'm mostly excited at the possibilities we were left with.
The only real weak points to me this go around is Leia's delivery, but it doesn't bother me as much this time around. The weakest part was honestly Maz or whatever her name is. She's just meh.
I still get the ANH similarities thing but I started to think it was more of a remix of the first two in the OT with its own flavor. I'm still really happy with it. Great movie.
Her adoptive father was king, of Alderaan.
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-george-awakens
It's a pretty good, concise evaluation, overall!
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-george-awakens
It's a pretty good, concise evaluation, overall!
I honestly don't think he's a very good director. I'd probably rate his films ANH>THX>AG. I honestly don't like American Graffiti like, at all.
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Midichlorian symbiote born of Vader's suit, duh
Yeah but it's Disney now, so is marvel, clearly venom got all up in Vader's suit, how aren't you following?
Yeah but it's Disney now, so is marvel, clearly venom got all up in Vader's suit, how aren't you following?
if that's true :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
if that's true :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
We're talking about Star Wars fan speculation here, the same group of people who gave serious consideration to the idea that Jar Jar Binks was actually a sith lord.
if that's true :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
We're talking about Star Wars fan speculation here, the same group of people who gave serious consideration to the idea that Jar Jar Binks was actually a sith lord.
Wait they were serious about that? I thought it was a meme.
that's someone fisking a listicle
it's a fucking fisticle
4. Rey becomes nearly as effective a Force-user in a few hours as Luke Skywalker did in a few years.
Yeah. Makes you wonder why doesn’t it? Kinda feels like we’re being set up for something in the future. I wonder if we’ll ever find out about her mysterious past and her mystical connection to the Force and Luke Skywalker? If you don’t understand that this is set-up for future films, then you should have your Netflix password taken away from you.
Read this, guys.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/matty-granger/at-long-lastmy-star-wars-episode-vii-review-the-force-awakens-the-rise-of-idiot-/10153163095086277
Well, I've waited a few weeks to write my “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” review and finally, after multiple viewings and numerous vibrant discussions, I feel that I’m ready to give this movie the review it truly deserves.
Read this, guys.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/matty-granger/at-long-lastmy-star-wars-episode-vii-review-the-force-awakens-the-rise-of-idiot-/10153163095086277QuoteWell, I've waited a few weeks to write my “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” review and finally, after multiple viewings and numerous vibrant discussions, I feel that I’m ready to give this movie the review it truly deserves.
No one cares, shut up.
Fuck I hate anything written that starts with this. Go bury the lede up your ass next time instead and save us the trouble (though it'll be hard with your head already occupying that space.)
Read this, guys.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/matty-granger/at-long-lastmy-star-wars-episode-vii-review-the-force-awakens-the-rise-of-idiot-/10153163095086277
I don’t know about the rest of you but I’ve grown exhausted with the horseshit, hater culture that online, millennial ‘journalists’ use to click-bait their way to some sort of self-perceived intellectual high ground. Hate first. Don’t bother asking questions later.
Read this, guys.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/matty-granger/at-long-lastmy-star-wars-episode-vii-review-the-force-awakens-the-rise-of-idiot-/10153163095086277QuoteWell, I've waited a few weeks to write my “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” review and finally, after multiple viewings and numerous vibrant discussions, I feel that I’m ready to give this movie the review it truly deserves.
No one cares, shut up.
Fuck I hate anything written that starts with this. Go bury the lede up your ass next time instead and save us the trouble (though it'll be hard with your head already occupying that space.)
That HuffPo article/list is pretty awful, though.
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Nerds need to stop victimizing others with their overhype and proselytizing.
Nerds need to stop victimizing others with their overhype and proselytizing.
Uhh...nerds are hardly the only group with a very high opinion of TFA.
Yea that's a good point. As movies they simply don't work and are not interesting/entertaining/etc. In terms of lore and world building they do more interesting things than this new film does.
Yea that's a good point. As movies they simply don't work and are not interesting/entertaining/etc. In terms of lore and world building they do more interesting things than this new film does.
Prequels = AFfC
:jawalrus
Yea that's a good point. As movies they simply don't work and are not interesting/entertaining/etc. In terms of lore and world building they do more interesting things than this new film does.
Prequels = AFfC
:jawalrus
TFA = ADWD? :dayum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZM__vY9DIw&feature=youtu.be
Ravenkliff 2 hours ago
What's funny is that ludicrous deal Qui Gon makes on the podrace bet is actually pretty in line with something frank would do.
Really highlights how great of an actor Guinness was, and how important he was in lending legitimacy to the story as a whole.
There's a rumor that Star Wars: Rogue One is going to havespoiler (click to show/hide)Darth Vader voiced by James Earl Jones. :gladbron Supposedly a faithful recreation of the original suit has already been built.[close]
I thought that actor was dead?
Edit- Guess not. Wow.
If they somehow got him back - and I don't think he'd be interested given his very public complaints over the years - it'd be like how they got Mayhew in the costume but there's no way they had Mayhew do any action scenes... poor guy has such pain in his joints due to Marfan's.
Prowse, who was cast in the film based on little more than his 6’ 6” height, gave an exclusive interview last week to The Sun, saying, “I’ve only got one favourite memory of filming Star Wars and that is when my very first cheque arrived.”
“No one bothered to contact me about the new movie and to be honest I don’t care,” he added. “I don’t even own Darth Vader’s mask anymore.” Prowse also said that he prefers to be known as the Green Cross Code Man, a superhero character he played in various British road safety PSAs over the years.
“Those behind the film cut me out and have continued to ignore me for years,” Prowse said in the new interview. “So do I have any interest in watching the new movie? No, I don’t.”
Prowse, who is said to be suffering from memory loss and other physical ailments, claims not to know the origin of his feud with Lucas. But it almost certainly dates back to a speech he gave at UC Berkeley in 1978 in which he inadvertently spoiled the ending to The Empire Strikes Back, two years before it was released in theaters.
“Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker… are hooked up in a do-or-die lightsaber duel when Luke learned that Darth is, in fact, his long-lost father,’” Prowse told the audience.
“Father can’t kill son, son can’t kill father. So they live again to star in ‘Star Wars IV.’”
But it was a subsequent documentary, 2010’s The People vs. George Lucas, that increased tensions between the two men. Prowse claims that he did not realize when he gave his interview to the filmmakers behind that project that he would be appearing in an anti-George Lucas movie. Shortly after, Prowse said he was banned from attending any official Star Wars fan conventions.
In the Sun interview, Prowse mostly just sounds like he feels left out of the revived Star Wars mania. “I have never had a call from anyone to be in the new movie,” he told The Sun. “Nobody even bothered to get in contact to ask me about my association with this movie.”
“There was no way I could come back as Darth Vader, as he was killed off, but it would have been nice to have been offered a part, irrespective of the role,” he continued. “It would have been really nice to continue with the Star Wars association.”
“When the new film was being made they had a big party to launch it and I never got invited,” he added.
Prowse also released a statement calling the idea that he would not be seeing the film “total rubbish.” He added, “I wish nothing but the best for The Force Awakens and hope you enjoy seeing it too.”
His only negative comment about the film series came when someone asked what he was most looking forward to in the latest installment. “I’m hoping there are none of those damn Ewoks in this one,” he said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfQBdRcgizc
Was bored so I watched this last night. I had heard about it for awhile but not bothered until now. I remember watching the The Phantom Edit and a few other fan edits back when that stuff was originally in fashion for this movie. I remember not really liking them so much because despite their best intentions, the editing often left the movie feeling poorly paced and confusing even relative to the poorly paced and confusing original.
Despite the silly title I actually think this is probably the best cut of the film I've seen. I only originally intended to watch a few minutes of it but found myself interested enough to finish it. Obviously you can't fix the original sins that plague the movie. But you can create a path that removes some of the meandering and outright stupid random elements of the film. And this does a decent job of it.
I guess there is another cut that is also popular among the circle of fans of these things that I'll watch in a few years, the next time I'm curious.
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-Episode-I-Cloak-Of-Deception-Finished/id/15663
Also this one.
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SW-EP-1-Shadow-of-the-Sith-by-L8wrtr/id/11778
Fan edits can only do so much.
Fan edits can only do so much.
They may have gone too far in a few places.
I agree completely here. If a movie sucks than it sucks, you can't save it. All movies that were "saved" from the trash heap was due to way different reasons compared to the problems the prequels had.
Oh yeah I wasn't trying to shit on the practice of it, Stoney. Just don't really find it all that interesting myself.
Yeah I know, just not that appealing when the bad acting and dialogue is still there.
Yeah I know, just not that appealing when the bad acting and dialogue is still there.
Yeah I know, just not that appealing when the bad acting and dialogue is still there.
lol. I think tasty is just making Lucas references. ;)
Making Jar Jar and the Trade Federation guys speak in alien languages makes such a huge difference, it's not even funny.
Hey speaking of which, in an actual canon but similar situation, why the shit did Rey know Shyriiwook?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfQBdRcgizc
Was bored so I watched this last night. I had heard about it for awhile but not bothered until now. I remember watching the The Phantom Edit and a few other fan edits back when that stuff was originally in fashion for this movie. I remember not really liking them so much because despite their best intentions, the editing often left the movie feeling poorly paced and confusing even relative to the poorly paced and confusing original.
Despite the silly title I actually think this is probably the best cut of the film I've seen. I only originally intended to watch a few minutes of it but found myself interested enough to finish it. Obviously you can't fix the original sins that plague the movie. But you can create a path that removes some of the meandering and outright stupid random elements of the film. And this does a decent job of it.
I guess there is another cut that is also popular among the circle of fans of these things that I'll watch in a few years, the next time I'm curious.
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-Episode-I-Cloak-Of-Deception-Finished/id/15663
Also this one.
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SW-EP-1-Shadow-of-the-Sith-by-L8wrtr/id/11778
she learned it when she was growing up because she's either Kylo Ren's sister or cousin
What if she's Kylo Ren.... FROM THE FUTURE!?
are there any good fan edits of star wars 2 or 3? There is a nice lil thing in 2 with obi wan being a noir detective, but it's not really meaty enough to sustain itself probably, but maybe some enterprising diehard could make something out of it? I can't really remember anything nice in 3 but lots of people seem to believe it is the best of the bad ones, so maybe there is something to salvage there as well?
Can't wait to see what dumb reveal they do with Rey's past. She's definitely somebody's daughter.
Hey speaking of which, in an actual canon but similar situation, why the shit did Rey know Shyriiwook?
leia and chewbacca's daughter. them white girls love the BWC¡ET VOILA!
I also agree with you about the obi-wan detective bit. That was honestly the only part that struck me as remotely interesting and suspenseful from any of the movies when I watched the prequels originally.Yeah, that sequence was exciting right up until it proves itself meaningless when the Jedi show up using the clone army which had been the entire point of Obi-Wan's investigation.
Yeah, that sequence was exciting right up until it proves itself meaningless when the Jedi show up using the clone army which had been the entire point of Obi-Wan's investigation.
Agreed. The Nice-Guy-Anakin creepfest is the worst aspect. It's painful to watch.Yeah, that sequence was exciting right up until it proves itself meaningless when the Jedi show up using the clone army which had been the entire point of Obi-Wan's investigation.
Not the worst aspect of Episode 2, but probably the dumbest. Don't think I've ever seen a movie whiplash so hard like that before, completely rendering pointless a huge chunk of its own run time.
"Star Wars: The Force Awakens Anime Opening"
https://vimeo.com/152651651
edit: Ah crap, I think it got taken down.
http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/starwars/post/2016/01/15/Team-Negative-One-completes-35mm-Restoration-of-Star-Wars
Oh man, I didn't know they were making another one, that's cool.
So when is the review out?https://twitter.com/redlettermedia/status/677948403838550017
ITT people who kind of sort of payed attention to the first batch of rumors and didn't pay attention when it all ended up being overblown.
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Thank you.
That poster is terrible. This movie is going to be the first post-Lucas SW piece of shit.
https://youtu.be/xmXp802sFgQ
@ 1:45 (https://youtu.be/xmXp802sFgQ?t=1m45s) :gladbron
The British actor who played R2-D2 in the Star Wars films has died at the age of 83 after a long illness.
Kenny Baker, who was 3ft 8in tall, shot to fame in 1977 when he first played the robot character.
He went on to play the character in The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, as well as the three Star Wars prequels from 1999 to 2005.
Baker also appeared in a number of other much-loved films in the 1980s, including The Elephant Man, Time Bandits and Flash Gordon.
His niece, Abigail Shield, paid tribute to her uncle. She told the Guardian: “It was expected, but it’s sad nonetheless. He had a very long and fulfilled life. He brought lots of happiness to people and we’ll be celebrating the fact that he was well loved throughout the world. We’re all very proud of what he achieved in his lifetime.”
there was a guy in there? wtf?
got a picture of the bb8 guy too?
I dunno about this. The fact that the first non-main movie is based on a throwaway line of dialogue doesn't instill a lot of confidence. Like hey, let's get an indie director so we don't have to pay them anything, but still tether them to a piece of minutiae from the OG flicks instead of letting them come up with something original.
Haven't watched it but Kylo being the hero and Rey being sucked to the dark side would be interesting. Alas you know that would rustle #feminists. :dogeHoly shit I SO want this to happen now. :lol Disney would never tho.
https://twitter.com/JaigEyes66/status/777721332586905600
It's pretty reaching.
I like it, but nothing redeems the Prequels.
...Nothing.
"We rebel"
(http://i.imgur.com/qWtP7Dv.png)
Man, sure c3p0 is gay, but preproduction c3p0 was FAAABULOUS
Man, sure c3p0 is gay, but preproduction c3p0 was FAAABULOUS
Stressed out after Christmas shopping yesterday (I have no problem performing or presenting to massive crowds, but being in one gives me panic attacks) so came home and bought a digital copy of ep7, made burritos with the kids and watched it. I really forgot how fun that movie was. Not shakespear or citizen kane or anything, but just fun.
I mean...so did Batman v. Superman.
I mean...so did Batman v. Superman.
except not really.
It's gonna be great.
reviews making me excited. maybe i won't have to wait for ep 8 for that sw darkside fuckery :rejoice
Rogue One getting pretty much universally positive reactions from people that have seen it so far.
:leon
Rogue One getting pretty much universally positive reactions from people that have seen it so far.
:leon
So did TFA. :doge
Sooo anyone seen it?
I liked the blind guy, his friend and the droid about 20x more than the two mains.spoiler (click to show/hide)Where was my fuckin' "meatbags" line?[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)That Leia CGI worked pretty well. Come a long way since Tron.[close]
I liked the blind guy, his friend and the droid about 20x more than the two mains.spoiler (click to show/hide)Where was my fuckin' "meatbags" line?[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)That Leia CGI worked pretty well. Come a long way since Tron.[close]
CGI stuff in Captain America Civil War was really, really impressive. Young RDJ was entirely believable, with only some lighting issues (subsurface scattering inconsistencies?) being any kind of clue that it wasn't just a live actor.spoiler (click to show/hide)Leia was surprisingly really, really good though. Especially when they gave the same treatment to Peter Cushing and you could tell he was CG.[close]
Someone I heard on a podcast described it as 'a WWII movie with a Star Wars skin'. Which sounds fine.this is entirely accurate. Later in the film the subtext is damn near text with some of the visual schemes and costuming. Its not quite The Dirty Dozen, But With Space Shit, but its comes kinda close.
The vehicle scenes were the best in the series. They really made every prequel battle and even the episode 7 battles look like crap.
I've wanted a space battle like what we got since ROTJ.
spoiler (click to show/hide)It's all the more remarkable, I think, that Rogue One may have matched or surpassed Jedi, when you realize that Rogue One does it without having any actual characters involved in the space battle that you give a damn about. In Jedi, you have Wedge (yes, I'm one of those Wedge fanboys, deal with it), and Lando who you already know and can "follow" through their actions in the battle. Plus the addition of Akbar for the "strategic" viewpoint. In Rogue One, you only have the barely-introduced Admiral guy as a character "involved" in that aspect of the battle. And yet......it still works great as an action setpiece.[close]
spoiler (click to show/hide)It's all the more remarkable, I think, that Rogue One may have matched or surpassed Jedi, when you realize that Rogue One does it without having any actual characters involved in the space battle that you give a damn about. In Jedi, you have Wedge (yes, I'm one of those Wedge fanboys, deal with it), and Lando who you already know and can "follow" through their actions in the battle. Plus the addition of Akbar for the "strategic" viewpoint. In Rogue One, you only have the barely-introduced Admiral guy as a character "involved" in that aspect of the battle. And yet......it still works great as an action setpiece.[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)The cruiser slamming into the disabled Star Destroyer and pushing it into the other Star Destroyed and then forcing both to crash into the shield gate was an absolutely incredible moment.[close]
The space battle scene from Phantom Menace was really meh, and Anakin was so annoying. The one from Revenge of the Sith was so bad, virtually nothing that happened had any impact at all.
Minor quibbles:spoiler (click to show/hide)Some of the dialog was straight up fucking velveeta levels of cheese, man. Especially when Vader is choking whats his nuts and tells him not to choke on his ambitions. That line of dialog should never have been written, and whoever wrote it should have all of their fingers broken as an example to others.
The CGI Tarkin and Leia stuff was meh, but it wasn't as obnoxious to me as it was to others.
Also- did Jyn and Cassian take an elevator all the way down to ground level, PAST THE BAD DUDE'S SHIP THAT WAS JUST CHILLING WAITING TO BE STOLEN so they could die on the beach together? If so, they deserved to die.[close]
Loved the two chinks, especially the big cunt with the gun.
"The force is with me I am one with the force", cornyish.
Overall it was cool that we can get a Star Wars movie that isnt 100% about the Skywalkers or Jedi but we still couldn't escape callbacks to A New Hope. The best characters weren't the main characters and that feels like a reoccurring problem with Star Wars movies. Soundtrack was completely forgettable.I agreed with everything else you said, though I am at a loss here. The entire movie is a lead-up to A New Hope, so it would have been very difficult to make without nodding at it. I agree though that the C-3PO and R2-D2 appearance was basically goofy fanservice. I loved seeing the older footage of the dogfighting pilots brought in for continuity though.
Yeah, I felt the same way. He's a khyber crystal Guardian, not a Jedi, it was gratifying to see someone with a different relationship to The Force than fake-calm Jedi Council members. (C'mon, you KNOW Mace Windu was seething with constant rage. Yoda, too.)Quote"The force is with me I am one with the force", cornyish.
I was fine with that, since it was basically a Buddhist mantra. The Prequels especially made The Force more of a science thing, something that could be measured with a medical scanner, so it was nice to see it pulled back into the realm of mysticism.
They've been doing it for weeks leading up to force awakens and the occasional Buzzfeed joke video. I doubt Landis was the main influence here.
What are these complaints about anyway? That SW got popular? I don't understand the context other than Disney is pimping out a hot property and nerds don't like it.
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I don't think the story was one that should have been told in the first place.
It's like one tier above a throwaway line in A New Hope and there's a big budget movie about it. We all know the real reason it exists is because it's a way for Disney to bring back Vader and sell his toys.
Also I've seen this thrown around and have to ask: Does Vader live in a castle with lava and shit in this? Reminds me of some of the early draft work for Empire, where some SciFi author lady came up with Vader living in a volcanic castle with pet dragons and shit. If that's in the movie I might just drive to Bahrain to see it.
- The Star Wars universe is too shallow to make an Extended Cinematic Universe out of.
We all know the real reason it exists is because it's a way for Disney to bring back Vader and sell his toys.
Watchmen is good
Man of Steel is good(https://memoryissues.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/cd4d8-wrong-again-banner_01.gif)
Overall it was cool that we can get a Star Wars movie that isnt 100% about the Skywalkers or Jedi but we still couldn't escape callbacks to A New Hope. The best characters weren't the main characters and that feels like a reoccurring problem with Star Wars movies. Soundtrack was completely forgettable.I agreed with everything else you said, though I am at a loss here. The entire movie is a lead-up to A New Hope, so it would have been very difficult to make without nodding at it. I agree though that the C-3PO and R2-D2 appearance was basically goofy fanservice. I loved seeing the older footage of the dogfighting pilots brought in for continuity though.Yeah, I felt the same way. He's a khyber crystal Guardian, not a Jedi, it was gratifying to see someone with a different relationship to The Force than fake-calm Jedi Council members. (C'mon, you KNOW Mace Windu was seething with constant rage. Yoda, too.)Quote"The force is with me I am one with the force", cornyish.
I was fine with that, since it was basically a Buddhist mantra. The Prequels especially made The Force more of a science thing, something that could be measured with a medical scanner, so it was nice to see it pulled back into the realm of mysticism.
I thought it was okay at best. It had its moments but the characters were flat. There were literally no "Star Wars moments" where they chill and talk. We get to know and love Luke and co. because of their development. We have Luke training on board the Falcon, with Obi Wan teaching and Han criticizing but it helps flesh them out. Luke failing to pull the X-wing out of the swamp, Han and Leia alone on the ship in Empire. These were slow moments that helped make is care for the characters. The stakes are high in this, but there's no reason to care about a single character besides Jyn. And K, I guess. I like Donnie Yen's character but he's not fleshed out at all. He's just blind guy who believes in the force. When the stakes are at their highest you want to care for the characters, and unlike The Force Awakens, the movie has given you no justification to.with you on everything except it being worse than TFA
I feel like the movie would be better if every character had a flashback so you could give a shit. Instead it's just moment after moment without any stops. Due to its lack of stops, the characters suffer and for what is a tragic type story, underdeveloped characters is kind of a death sentence for quality.
And then the ending, while neat in how it ties in A New Hope, just abruptly ends. No wide shot of Star Wars tradition. Justspoiler (click to show/hide)Leia's face[close]
All in all its better than the prequel films (to my memory) but not on the same footing as the originals or even TFA.
5/10. Star Wars with none of the heart.
Dawn of the Dead is good.
One of the problems is you get little downtime for these characters to interact and play their role. Them being one note archtypes isn't a problem. You just don't get enough of them being those archtypes. They never feel like a group really.
Remember in AotC where Obi-wan spent nearly the entire movie trying to figure out what was going on with the clones and then Yoda just shows up and is like "Well, we got a clone army now, I guess"? :neogaf
I havent really thought about this since a year ago, but there is no way to redeem Kylo Ren post TFA
I dont mean in the context of the story and making him turn back to the light side of the force, i mean as in save the character on a film level, what can they even do with this char now? he's effectively garbageI havent really thought about this since a year ago, but there is no way to redeem Kylo Ren post TFA
If they try I'm going to be disappointed. That's Blizzard levels of retreading old ground.
Return of the Jedi fucking sucks, brehs. It's prequel tier outside of the Luke/Vader/Emperor scenes. And not just the ewoks shit. The rest of the movie is dogshit, too. Everything people hate about the prequels is staring you right in the face in that movie, yet everyone was still shocked when those movies were the same dogshit he served you up 15 years earlier.
Let's be fair, Star Wars is a wee bit trash as a whole.
Let's be fair, Star Wars is a wee bit trash as a whole.
Let's be fair, Star Wars is a wee bit trash as a whole.
I see you, Vom. :doge
What's supposed to be the good scenes in ROTS?
What's supposed to be the good scenes in ROTS?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJgfxlgUIZY
I'm not the only one who finds R1 prequel tier :rejoice
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:dead
Being better than what's out there isn't hard. All the previews I saw were god awful looking remakes.
Hollywood is straight up trash right now. This is competing against Assassin's Creed and the Trolls movie.
Let's be fair, Star Wars is a wee bit trash as a whole.
Being better than what's out there isn't hard. All the previews I saw were god awful looking remakes.
Hollywood is straight up trash right now. This is competing against Assassin's Creed and the Trolls movie.
Currently Fences, Moonlight, and Hidden Figures are in theaters. So I disagree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sExTt4j69zI
Too much negativity in here.
How much is that in real money?
freal though, why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sExTt4j69zI
Too much negativity in here.
They've aped the YouTuber bullshit so well, I can't even watch it as parody.
Yeah, a friend has the 1.5 meter Imperial Star Destroyer. It was stupid expensive as well. Hell, I was a grown ass man when the Star Wars LEGO first came out, and I dropped money on new brick for the first time in a decade. It is surprisingly irresistible.How much is that in real money?
freal though, why?
14 228,13 US$ at current rate.
I read, where I got the link to the page, that it also happens to be the second biggest LEGO set (over 5000 pieces, it's big). It sold at over 500$ back when it was released. The ridiculous price is probably the seller getting crazy ideas on how much he can scalp needy geeks but the price for used ones (Almost 4000$) seems in line with the most repeated estimates...
Apparently, because of the scarcity, some fans decided it was easier to just buy several thousands individual pieces to do the model. There's guides :
https://www.reddit.com/r/lego/comments/2wksds/the_cheapskates_guide_to_bricklinking_a_10179_ucs/
It's my understanding that LEGO really went down hard on the niche of adults with disposable income when they realized a decade ago there was a ton of money to milk there. Those elaborate sets (Star Wars, famous monuments) are not kid's toys by any means.
And yeah. Geeks. :kobeyuck
EDIT :
Some dude added 100$ of LED lights into his, because why not ?
http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/57894-10179-ucs-falcon-pricing/&do=findComment&comment=1256070
Um, I own several expensive Star Wars sets. Imperial Shuttle, Star Destroyer, Millennium Falcon, X-Wing.Not sure what the "um" is for -- I'm not pointing fingers and giggling. Shit, two days ago I used one entire check-in bag on my flight back from the USA to "rescue" the Lego I'd left in storage for 15 years.
Um, I own several expensive Star Wars sets. Imperial Shuttle, Star Destroyer, Millennium Falcon, X-Wing.Not sure what the "um" is for -- I'm not pointing fingers and giggling. Shit, two days ago I used one entire check-in bag on my flight back from the USA to "rescue" the Lego I'd left in storage for 15 years.
I SAW THAT AND I CLAPPED
You know, Rey, we really are the last jedi.
Trailer plz
Let me guess. Rey trains with Luke, finds out her friends are in trouble, decides to leave her training and help her friends...but not before bad guys find her location and attack. They kill Luke, he tells her she's the last jedi, then she goes and saves her buddies.
:beli
Let me guess. Rey trains with Luke, finds out her friends are in trouble, decides to leave her training and help her friends...but not before bad guys find her location and attack. They kill Luke, he tells her she's the last jedi, then she goes and saves her buddies.
:beli
i did it momLet me guess. Rey trains with Luke, finds out her friends are in trouble, decides to leave her training and help her friends...but not before bad guys find her location and attack. They kill Luke, he tells her she's the last jedi, then she goes and saves her buddies.
:beli
Yes, that's exactly it, you figured out.
Snoke was such a goddamn shitty villain :lol
What'd you think of Kylo Ren?
Mixed feelings on Ren. He's disappointing as a villain, but very interesting as a character.
Rey going Super Saiyan like a day after learning to use the Force was kind of weird though. Sure, Ren had taken a shot to the gut, but he still shouldn't be losing to someone who isn't even Padawan level yet.
In spite of that, he's the most interesting character in the First Order by far. Hux was even shittier than Snoke was.
The thing I like about Rogue One is that it's a good "your personal ideology has such a grip on your mind that it interferes with your watching comprehension" test.
Rebellions are built on hope, and they're also built on: highly placed defectors, "unreasonable" insurgencies, the tendency of states to centralize administration, individual unwillingness to just "follow orders," and a collective willingness to break with political bodies that have abdicated their mission.
The thing I like about Rogue One is that it's a good "your personal ideology has such a grip on your mind that it interferes with your watching comprehension" test.
Rebellions are built on hope, and they're also built on: highly placed defectors, "unreasonable" insurgencies, the tendency of states to centralize administration, individual unwillingness to just "follow orders," and a collective willingness to break with political bodies that have abdicated their mission.
They're also full of cute brunettes. :-*
The thing I like about Rogue One is that it's a good "your personal ideology has such a grip on your mind that it interferes with your watching comprehension" test.
Rebellions are built on hope, and they're also built on: highly placed defectors, "unreasonable" insurgencies, the tendency of states to centralize administration, individual unwillingness to just "follow orders," and a collective willingness to break with political bodies that have abdicated their mission.
They're also full of cute brunettes. :-*
The thing I like about Rogue One is that it's a good "your personal ideology has such a grip on your mind that it interferes with your watching comprehension" test.
Rebellions are built on hope, and they're also built on: highly placed defectors, "unreasonable" insurgencies, the tendency of states to centralize administration, individual unwillingness to just "follow orders," and a collective willingness to break with political bodies that have abdicated their mission.
They're also full of cute brunettes. :-*
If you'd read some Maoist-Third Worldist texts you'd have already known that. :dolezal
The thing I like about Rogue One is that it's a good "your personal ideology has such a grip on your mind that it interferes with your watching comprehension" test.
Rebellions are built on hope, and they're also built on: highly placed defectors, "unreasonable" insurgencies, the tendency of states to centralize administration, individual unwillingness to just "follow orders," and a collective willingness to break with political bodies that have abdicated their mission.
They're also full of cute brunettes. :-*
If you'd read some Maoist-Third Worldist texts you'd have already known that. :dolezal
Fan animated short, gotta respect the amount of work. Like the visual render too, it has a somewhat Aeon Flux quality to the slighty janky animation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU
Rewatched The Force Awakens this morning. On repeated rewatches, the amount of content cribbed from Episodes IV and V is nearly overwhelming. The awkward introduction of named characters is also ham-handed:
"What's your name?"
"FN2917"
"I'm going to call you Finn. I AM POE DAMERON."
"NICE TO MEET YOU, POE DAMERON."
"GOOD TO MEET YOU, FINN."
LATER:
"What's YOUR name?"
"I'm FINN."
"I'm REY."
::)
The bits with the old characters going out of their way to validate the young ones is also clumsy. "I LIKE THIS ONE," says Han. Jeez.
Still liked it a bunch.
directed, co-produced and co-written by J. J. Abrams.
Abrams ... rewrote an initial script by Michael Arndt:doge
Rewatched The Force Awakens this morning. On repeated rewatches, the amount of content cribbed from Episodes IV and V is nearly overwhelming. The awkward introduction of named characters is also ham-handed:I know somebody who referred to TFA as EpIV Affirmative Action edition. :teehee
"What's your name?"
"FN2917"
"I'm going to call you Finn. I AM POE DAMERON."
"NICE TO MEET YOU, POE DAMERON."
"GOOD TO MEET YOU, FINN."
LATER:
"What's YOUR name?"
"I'm FINN."
"I'm REY."
::)
The bits with the old characters going out of their way to validate the young ones is also clumsy. "I LIKE THIS ONE," says Han. Jeez.
Still liked it a bunch.
Still the GOAT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0stS1naeOfk
http://makingstarwars.net/2017/02/rumor-unaltered-original-star-wars-trilogy-re-released-year/
Gluck was asked there about Star Wars and reported that the original cut negative for the film currently exists in its “SE” configuration only. (There’s more info, so do continue on past the jump.)
In addition, 20th Century Fox’s Senior Vice President of Library and Technical Services, Shawn Belston, was also on hand at the Wexner event last night. He confirmed that all of the “trims” removed from the original cut negative (in the mid-1990s, to create the SEs) still exist as well. (Thanks to Bits reader Chuck P., who attended this event, for his firsthand report.) So what does all that mean to you?
In summary: While it is essentially technically true that the ‘77 cut negative “no longer exists” in its original state, it is also technically true that it could be re-built if so desired. All of the needed film elements still survive and have been preserved. Nevertheless, if one takes Gluck and Belston at their word (and knowing them as we do, we certainly do) this would seem to be fairly official word that no such reconstruction work has been done to date. Thus, it appears that there is little chance of the original 1977 Star Wars being released on any home video format in 2017.
At this point, is it really even that big of a deal? How many people all about the "original" films were even alive when the original trilogy came out? On GAF, how many were even old enough to be aware when the special editions were released in 1997? All these brehs obsessed with the idea of the unadulterated OT very likely have no idea what that actually looks like.
On works created by large teams like films, who is even the "artist" ?
At this point, is it really even that big of a deal?
I've never felt the Star Wars edits are all that big of deal for the most part compared to other "Director's Cuts" or whatever.
Look at Robert Wise re-editing Star Trek: The Motion Picture twenty years later, or Donner getting a second crack at Superman 2. Hell, the Batman v. Superman Ultimate Edition restores two entire plotlines and reshuffles Luthor's to make more sense. Waterworld and Kingdom of Heaven have cuts that drastically alter the film restoring plotlines and characters. Daredevil even has a better cut.
The Star Wars stuff is little "polishes" around the edges or tweaks to effects. Both Lucas and Spielberg have been obsessed with these at times. Close Encounters has like four different slight cuts and he went back over ET rather infamously. But they don't really change the movie to where you'd really notice 90+% of them unless you watched them back to back or something. Sure you can criticize them as unnecessary or even worse but they don't really mess with the core of the movie plot, even pacing wise for the most part. BvS and TMP's longer cuts felt quicker to me because they're paced way better despite the extra footage and scenes. It's like that homeless guy who drinks cough syrup talks about sometimes on the youtubes.
And a lot of the longer stuff that does change in Star Wars was pre-existing deleted scenes I saw a bunch as a kid like Jabba in the first one when it was some fat dude that they just pasted CGI over.
"movie junkie clique" sounds like some real ruffians :dogeOn works created by large teams like films, who is even the "artist" ?
This reminds me of one of my favorite members of the movie junkie clique I ran with when I lived in LA: They considered movies art (with the Western interpretation that the director was the artist), but would argue that Andy Warhol wasn't an artist because he didn't actually make his art.
But I always want a vanilla backup "pristine" original copy available also.
I think getting to view a movie the same way it was originally presented is essentially the consumer version of that argument.
We have a moral and artistic right to view a film as it was originally presented if that is at all feasible.
"movie junkie clique" sounds like some real ruffians :dogeOn works created by large teams like films, who is even the "artist" ?
This reminds me of one of my favorite members of the movie junkie clique I ran with when I lived in LA: They considered movies art (with the Western interpretation that the director was the artist), but would argue that Andy Warhol wasn't an artist because he didn't actually make his art.
There's also "sheev posting":
https://youtu.be/rZkI2p-6cdU
I'm fine with it. Grim dark Star Wars is here to stay it seems.
I'm fine with it. Grim dark Star Wars is here to stay it seems.
grimdark only really works with faux shakespearean warhammer 40k dialogue. not the sort of dialogue you'd play at an english induction class like they've gone with.
In the long years before the Battle of Canticle City, I knew no fear because I had nothing to lose. Everything I’d treasured was dust at the mercy of history’s winds. Every truth I’d fought for was now nothing more than idle philosophy – spoken by exiles, whispered to ghosts.
None of this angered me, nor was I victim to any special melancholy. I’d learned over the centuries that only a fool tried to fight fate.
All that remained were the nightmares.
My somnolent mind took a dark joy in casting back to Judgement Day, when wolves howled and ran through the burning city streets. I dreamed the same dream each time I allowed myself to sleep.
Wolves, always the wolves.
Looks...not very interesting. Luke as Yoda is about the lamest direction possible to go.
As someone who is a very visual person, I'm just happy to see the Star Wars A E S T H E T I C. It produces dopamine in mah brain. :doge
Whoever decided that some piece of junk cropduster bouncing off the dirt should be the first shot we get with that epic musical swell should not be cutting trailers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJRm0WssOE
that laugh in the middle
http://www.newsnow3.com/asheville-north-carolina/next-star-wars-movie-to-be-filmed-near-asheville-nc-hundreds-of-extras-needed/
:doge
https://twitter.com/VanityFair/status/866957427085910016
Nice A E S T H E T I C. :aah
Lord and Miller got booted off the Han Solo movie, now Ron Howard is directing. :goty
Haven't they been filming this thing for a while now?
Haven't they been filming this thing for a while now? I hope the story of whatever happened comes out, cuz this is fucking baffling
Haven't they been filming this thing for a while now? I hope the story of whatever happened comes out, cuz this is fucking bafflingDisneyLucasfilms wasn't happy with the way they were doing things.
Lord and Miller wanted to make a Lord and Miller movie in the Star Wars universe. Disney [or Lucasfilm, take your pick] wanted a Star Wars movie with a small dash of Lord and Miller. I imagine it was a similar situation with Ant-Man.
Yeah, sounds like "creative differences".
I'm still waiting on the dirt to be spilled on Ant-Man.
I never really wanted a Han Solo prequel, so if it turns out bad I won't be too miffed about it.
Who would have thought a Star Wars prequel was a terrible idea?
They're getting the guy who plays Han Solo an acting coach late into production.
Yeah, this is going to be trash.
C-Tates stole the show in that flick
I couldn't stand Superbad. :/ Shame since I do kinda wanna see This is the End.
also, I've had a huge homo crush on Jay Baruchel forever.
I hate that dude's voice and face so fucking much I genuinely get angry when he's in anything I'm watching.spoiler (click to show/hide)Does that secretly mean I want to fuck him, too? :uguu[close]
Can't wait for TLJ.
Unfortunately I will have to suffer from Rogue One fan ship the rest of my days because everyone else isn't clued in that it's a bad movie.
How can you hate on Superbad?
Movie's hilarious.
How can you hate on Superbad?
Movie's hilarious.
It's probably not even bad, but it just got quoted to shit by everyone around me in high school. For a solid couple weeks it was like Ace Ventura/Austin Powers in middle school all over again.
How can you hate on Superbad?
Movie's hilarious.
It's probably not even bad, but it just got quoted to shit by everyone around me in high school. For a solid couple weeks it was like Ace Ventura/Austin Powers in middle school all over again.
Bullshit. Watch The Institute if you want to see what James Franco trying too hard looks like. It's one of the worst movies I've seen in years. He directed it, too!Just watching the preview for that movie let everyone know how terrible it would be. Seriously I thought it was possibly a troll effort, like when Joachim Phhoenix quit acting to be a rapper.
Seriously, watch it. It is AMAZINGLY terrible.
Bullshit. Watch The Institute if you want to see what James Franco trying too hard looks like. It's one of the worst movies I've seen in years. He directed it, too!Just watching the preview for that movie let everyone know how terrible it would be. Seriously I thought it was possibly a troll effort, like when Joachim Phhoenix quit acting to be a rapper.
Seriously, watch it. It is AMAZINGLY terrible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_-jmtPQ84g:lol
:lol
I'm really feeling that it's a given that The Last Jedi is going to kick TFA's ass so hard. :lawd
And I say that as someone who really likes TFA for what it is.
I'm really feeling that it's a given that The Last Jedi is going to kick TFA's ass so hard. :lawd
And I say that as someone who really likes TFA for what it is.
The side movies will all be getting a pass from me unless they make an Obi Wan film about what he was up to between the fall of the Jedi and ANH.Laying out in the sun and drinking heavily as a hermit on Taitooine, that's why he ages 50 years in 20 or whatever it is between ROTS and ANH.
The side movies will all be getting a pass from me unless they make an Obi Wan film about what he was up to between the fall of the Jedi and ANH. After R1 being a total turd I just have no interest in other spin offs.
Yeah, because Ewan was just sooooooo good ::)
Star Wars Rebels, the CG show, is canon and shows that Obi-Wan has indeed just been bumming around Tatooine keeping an eye on Luke since Ep 3.
It also showed him face and kill Darth Maul (again), who survived Ep 1 and got robo-legs.
So yeah, maybe some gaps weren't meant to be filled.
All these Star Wars side story ideas remind me of the Halloween remake and why that shit is so stupid. I didn't need to see an exhaustive look at Michael's childhood, or what turned him into a psycho. It was pretty obvious when he killed his sister, and the exposition scenes filled in enough info for me. Prequels that only serve to fill in blanks and tell a story I know the ending of can DIAF.
:iface
All these Star Wars side story ideas remind me of the Halloween remake and why that shit is so stupid. I didn't need to see an exhaustive look at Michael's childhood, or what turned him into a psycho. It was pretty obvious when he killed his sister, and the exposition scenes filled in enough info for me. Prequels that only serve to fill in blanks and tell a story I know the ending of can DIAF.
:iface
The only good thing to come from Rogue One is the excuse it gave me to fap to Mads Mikkelsen again, even if he was poorly used.
All these Star Wars side story ideas remind me of the Halloween remake and why that shit is so stupid. I didn't need to see an exhaustive look at Michael's childhood, or what turned him into a psycho. It was pretty obvious when he killed his sister, and the exposition scenes filled in enough info for me. Prequels that only serve to fill in blanks and tell a story I know the ending of can DIAF.
:iface
This is the difference between actual "artists," for lack of a better term, and fanboys. John Carpenter understands storytelling (well, at least he did earlier in his career) and knew that leaving a bunch of things NOT explicitly spelled out could add to the dramatic tension of the narrative. Rob Zombie* is just a fucking fanthing, and fanthings sit around and dream about all the unfilled in blanks in the stories they love. And now they're making movies, and they suck. The Star Wars movies run a real risk of doing this- IMO the prequels shat the bed in spectacular fashion because Lucas himself was a fanthing. Unlike QoI and her... singular tastes I though Rogue One was pretty good, so I'm hopeful that the rest of the Star Wars side stories will have the potential to be good. But the ones that explore untold stories in already established characters lives run the real risk of shitting the bed in this manner.
*I'm assuming it's the Rob Zombie Halloween. I didn't bother to see any of the modern ones, because there's no need to.
All these Star Wars side story ideas remind me of the Halloween remake and why that shit is so stupid. I didn't need to see an exhaustive look at Michael's childhood, or what turned him into a psycho. It was pretty obvious when he killed his sister, and the exposition scenes filled in enough info for me. Prequels that only serve to fill in blanks and tell a story I know the ending of can DIAF.
:iface
This is the difference between actual "artists," for lack of a better term, and fanboys. John Carpenter understands storytelling (well, at least he did earlier in his career) and knew that leaving a bunch of things NOT explicitly spelled out could add to the dramatic tension of the narrative. Rob Zombie* is just a fucking fanthing, and fanthings sit around and dream about all the unfilled in blanks in the stories they love. And now they're making movies, and they suck. The Star Wars movies run a real risk of doing this- IMO the prequels shat the bed in spectacular fashion because Lucas himself was a fanthing. Unlike QoI and her... singular tastes I though Rogue One was pretty good, so I'm hopeful that the rest of the Star Wars side stories will have the potential to be good. But the ones that explore untold stories in already established characters lives run the real risk of shitting the bed in this manner.
*I'm assuming it's the Rob Zombie Halloween. I didn't bother to see any of the modern ones, because there's no need to.
All these Star Wars side story ideas remind me of the Halloween remake and why that shit is so stupid. I didn't need to see an exhaustive look at Michael's childhood, or what turned him into a psycho. It was pretty obvious when he killed his sister, and the exposition scenes filled in enough info for me. Prequels that only serve to fill in blanks and tell a story I know the ending of can DIAF.
:iface
This is the difference between actual "artists," for lack of a better term, and fanboys. John Carpenter understands storytelling (well, at least he did earlier in his career) and knew that leaving a bunch of things NOT explicitly spelled out could add to the dramatic tension of the narrative. Rob Zombie* is just a fucking fanthing, and fanthings sit around and dream about all the unfilled in blanks in the stories they love.
*I'm assuming it's the Rob Zombie Halloween. I didn't bother to see any of the modern ones, because there's no need to.
The only good thing to come from Rogue One is the blind monk. I'd like a movie featuring nothing but him going "I am the Force. The Force is with me." for 2 hours.
I couldn't remember the names of any of the R1 characters immediately after walking out of the theater. The movie blew aside from the pure fan service Darth Vader final scene. I'm fairly convinced people think the movie was awesome because it ended with that scene.
What are any of the characters names in Dunkirk? :trumps
The Han Solo movie should essentially be an Ocean's Eleven-type heist movie but set in the Star Wars universe. That's not what it's going to be.
Afixed?Han SoloStar Wars movie should be as close to a GOTG rip off as they could possibly get away with.
The Han Solo movie should essentially be an Ocean's Eleven-type heist movie but set in the Star Wars universe. That's not what it's going to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Scoundrels
A Han Solo movie should be as close to a GOTG rip off as they could possibly get away with.
i'll see it if it's just two hours of obi wan whoring around brothels and drinking himself to death before taking up gradening or w/e for 30 years
While I'm sure I will eventually watch them through streaming services, Disney has already lost me on all these "spin-off" stories in the Star Wars universe after Rogue One. They don't have the balls to actually make new shit which is the only reason I would anticipate any of this stuff.
While I'm sure I will eventually watch them through streaming services, Disney has already lost me on all these "spin-off" stories in the Star Wars universe after Rogue One. They don't have the balls to actually make new shit which is the only reason I would anticipate any of this stuff.
While I'm sure I will eventually watch them through streaming services, Disney has already lost me on all these "spin-off" stories in the Star Wars universe after Rogue One. They don't have the balls to actually make new shit which is the only reason I would anticipate any of this stuff.
What is frustrating is they have a wealth of material (books, video games from the expanded universe) they can draw from. They don't even need to make a totally new story/character.
Colin Trevorrow just got kicked to the curb:
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/colin-trevorrow-exits-star-wars-episode-ix-1202548088/
Seems better to do it earlier than what they did with the Han solo thing.
Just get Rian Johnson to write/direct Episode IX, too.
Colin Trevorrow just got kicked to the curb:Good Jurassic world was straight dumpster trash.
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/colin-trevorrow-exits-star-wars-episode-ix-1202548088/
Bring back Lucas.
Colin Trevorrow just got kicked to the curb:
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/colin-trevorrow-exits-star-wars-episode-ix-1202548088/
Yeah, I can see this mirroring the original trilogy in terms of quality (of each movie) pretty cleanly.
who shot first Gridor or Hunn
I don't know how I feel about JJ being back. I enjoyed TFA when I saw it in the movie theater. But then I had zero desire to ever watch it again. Hoping the next two mainline movies are a little less derivative of the OT.
I hope disney made the right decisionDISNEY? Why would Disney have anything to do with Star Wars?!? It's cute that you're trying to talk like an industry insider and all but leave the Star Wars discussion to the grown ups before you embarrass yourself further kiddo.
I hope disney made the right decisionDISNEY? Why would Disney have anything to do with Star Wars?!? It's cute that you're trying to talk like an industry insider and all but leave the Star Wars discussion to the grown ups before you embarrass yourself further kiddo.
:bobbyI hope disney made the right decisionDISNEY? Why would Disney have anything to do with Star Wars?!? It's cute that you're trying to talk like an industry insider and all but leave the Star Wars discussion to the grown ups before you embarrass yourself further kiddo.
Is this a reference to something?
That is obnoxious alpha nerd (?) Bobby Roberts over on GAF, who's become a running joke in 'the thread'.
Spillover is a great term for Bobby Roberts, tbh.
When it comes to Bilbo Roberts, it's more like "spill under" amirite?I really don't think either of you are taking this seriously. It's not a good look.
:doge
it's not great. it's bugsy malone for wankers.
his films are beermat concepts with film school execution, been stung by that cunt three times in the cinema. they usually look quite nice though.
you can even tell that his breaking bad episodes are directed by a look at me dickhead.
:lol
OK, I'm starting to get it. I don't need it or want it, but at least I get it.
Just curious: does everyone here think Rian Johnson has a perfect record, like I do, or are there some heathens who think The Brothers Bloom isn't good. Or, worse, are there those among you who think Brick is pretentious?
I'm 85% certain the trailers are somewhat unexciting because they're saving so much for the actual movie. In Rian I trust.Plus getting a Star Wars film every year from now until the heat death of the universe = macuser zzz
I'm 85% certain the trailers are somewhat unexciting because they're saving so much for the actual movie. In Rian I trust.Plus getting a Star Wars film every year from now until the heat death of the universe = macuser zzz
Yeah I feel ya. Can't say I'm excited for The Last Jedi's hype because of the idea that Star Wars aims to continue till the end of time. I'm genuinely in for this trilogy and seeing it through(I really liked TFA, sue me) but I have a feeling that after I see Episode 9 I'm out of the franchise for good.
Lol fuck that Ewan Obi-Wan spinoff shit. Ewan got three movies and just because people overrate the hell out of his performance they want another one "that might be good!"
Move on!*spoiler (click to show/hide)*Exodust, known for promising he'll move on from billion dollar franchise in 2019[close]
His performance was fine, but the character of Obi-Wan in the second two prequels is such a cranky buzzkill. I had my fill of that shit back then.
lol at "I'm done with this franchise after x movie"
:umad
you'll be back
lol at "I'm done with this franchise after x movie"
:umad
you'll be back
Considering my hatred for the EU and all these spinoffs being wookiepedia adaption tier, I think I'm good.
I said I'm done with Nintendo if the Wii U was the best they had to offer, and Breath of The Wild was their best effort in like 6 years(and IMO, since the N64 days).
But OK.
Whatevs, man. Don't see what that has to do with Star Wars, a franchise where I basically avoided everything but the OT for years till TFA. I won't be getting a console Zelda game with full on media hype machine every year.
look at what I started
:aweshum
look at what I started
:aweshum
Started? This convo began on the last page. Talk about inflated ego! :bobby
This trailer was lit, got goosebumps.
He's good, and has been good in other movies. His track record isn't as spotless as people act like it is outside of the prequels(remember that prison shit with Jim Carrey?) and his performance as Obi-Wan only gets praised because it's bland instead of outright terrible like the rest of the characters in the trilogy.
Liam Neeson is a good actor. Guess it's time for a Qui-Gon spinoff.
This trailer was lit, got goosebumps.
:respectspoiler (click to show/hide)That last sequence where it looks like Kylo is successfully tempting Rey to complete her training… holy shit.[close]
This trailer was lit, got goosebumps.
:respectspoiler (click to show/hide)That last sequence where it looks like Kylo is successfully tempting Rey to complete her training… holy shit.[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)what if kylo turns good again[close]
My belief is they edited the trailer to make it seem that way, but there's a good chance those shots of Kylo and Rey aren't even in the same scene.I'm glad though they spent an extensive amount of valuable trailer time on the cutting between Kylo/Leia shots that also probably are not from the same scene. (Or if they are, need to be immediately recut.)
The magic of editing~
The Dank Pupper
38 minutes ago
I’m holding back tears. This video is so powerful.
Hoxtilicious:confused
32 minutes ago (edited)
I low-key hope that Disney have been holding onto this trailer till WB uploaded their new Justice League trailer, just to outshine their competition.
I literally came here just to post that, I'm not even gonna watch this trailer, I wanna go into the cinema not expecting anything and completely surprised.
This trailer was lit, got goosebumps.
:respectspoiler (click to show/hide)That last sequence where it looks like Kylo is successfully tempting Rey to complete her training… holy shit.[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)what if kylo turns good again[close]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3K44GQwxbA
I was sad they took a shot at Review Brah, though :goty2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3K44GQwxbA
It's been 5 years since Disney bought Star Wars, and there still isn't an unmolested version of the Original Trilogy on Blu-Ray. I hope Walt is burning in hell.
dat stipulation
Can't fox release a new hope original version?
We really need Disney to take the license away from EA.
I could easily ignore that. I'm not one of the people that thinks George Lucas ruined my childhood by releasing the Special Editions or Jar-Jar Binks and the garbage prequels. That's all fine; he created it, he owned it, whatever. The unforgivable sin of George Lucas was treating the Original Original Trilogy like it was the freaking Star Wars Holiday Special and trying to shove it down the memory hole in favor of his Special Edition. It infuriates me, just me from a film preservation standpoint, and they add very little of importance to the movie while looking so jarring in comparison to the 1977 footage. It actually, legitimately makes me angry. I'm totally fine with directors wanting to go back and tinker with their masterpieces years later, it's interesting to get a look at how they would have done things differently if they had it to do over, or if they didn't have the studio breathing down their necks. Sometimes it's a lot better (Blade Runner), sometimes it's meh (Alien), sometimes it's terrible (Apocalypse Now, ET, and ahem...Star Wars). But to alter a movie so drastically 20 years later, and then just decide this is the only version of the movie...
I am :umad :umad :umad :umad x1000
I will watch Starcrash, Star Raiders, Starchaser, Star Odyssey, Battle Beyond the Stars, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, The Last Starfighter, AND Star Wars Holiday Special before I'd watch the Special Editions again. Suck my dick, George Lucas.spoiler (click to show/hide)And yes, I know that the fan-made Despecialized Editions exist, but that doesn't let Lucas off the hook for this bullshit. :bolo[close]
I could easily ignore that. I'm not one of the people that thinks George Lucas ruined my childhood by releasing the Special Editions or Jar-Jar Binks and the garbage prequels. That's all fine; he created it, he owned it, whatever. The unforgivable sin of George Lucas was treating the Original Original Trilogy like it was the freaking Star Wars Holiday Special and trying to shove it down the memory hole in favor of his Special Edition. It infuriates me, just me from a film preservation standpoint, and they add very little of importance to the movie while looking so jarring in comparison to the 1977 footage. It actually, legitimately makes me angry. I'm totally fine with directors wanting to go back and tinker with their masterpieces years later, it's interesting to get a look at how they would have done things differently if they had it to do over, or if they didn't have the studio breathing down their necks. Sometimes it's a lot better (Blade Runner), sometimes it's meh (Alien), sometimes it's terrible (Apocalypse Now, ET, and ahem...Star Wars). But to alter a movie so drastically 20 years later, and then just decide this is the only version of the movie...
I am :umad :umad :umad :umad x1000
I will watch Starcrash, Star Raiders, Starchaser, Star Odyssey, Battle Beyond the Stars, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, The Last Starfighter, AND Star Wars Holiday Special before I'd watch the Special Editions again. Suck my dick, George Lucas.spoiler (click to show/hide)And yes, I know that the fan-made Despecialized Editions exist, but that doesn't let Lucas off the hook for this bullshit. :bolo[close]
Ask me about The Warriors. It's one of my favorite films and the directors cut is the only one the director wants re-released now and it's absolute fan-fiction esque trash. It's a Lucas-tier move.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases
It appears you are not entirely correct, Joe. A pre-Special Edition version was included on the 2004 DVD set. It wasn't stricken from the Lucasfilm history books.
What if The Warriors but with shit flash inserts ?
Joe was watching the Unspecial Edition fan-edit of Empire Strikes Back and I caught the second half of it. Still a darn fine film after all these years. :lawd :whew
Can't believe you kiddos are giving Disney your money so early
Can't believe you kiddos are giving Disney your money so early
This thread is like poetry...
review embargo broken (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lCW-iaOZ_M&t=0s)
Nothing can be as bad as Attack of the Clones.
Not even Episode I was as bad as AotC, IMHO. :goty2
CNN fucking unloaded on this movie, goddamn. :lol Calling it closer to Attack of the Clones than The Empire Strikes Back.
CNN fucking unloaded on this movie, goddamn. :lol Calling it closer to Attack of the Clones than The Empire Strikes Back.
Whaaaat
If expectations for "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" were inordinately (and perhaps unfairly) high, thank "The Force Awakens," which had a huge donut hole in the shape of Luke Skywalker at its center. Yet even with Luke integrated into the story, the film feels like a significant letdown, one that does far less than its predecessor to stoke enthusiasm for the next leg in the trilogy.
[...]
And where "Force Awakens" director J.J. Abrams nicely set the table for this sequel, this film leaves Abrams (who will reprise that role on Episode IX) with his work cut out for him. The flaws also invite second-guessing about Lucasfilm's pre-release vote of confidence by anointing Johnson as the force behind a separate trilogy set in that far-away galaxy.
[...]
In crass commercial terms, no clairvoyance is necessary to predict that "The Last Jedi" will be a huge hit, blunting any criticism. Yet if "The Empire Strikes Back" stands as the defining chapter in the "Star Wars" saga, as second movies go, "Last Jedi" ranks closer to the "Attack of the Clones" end of the gene pool.
David Watsonnothing says salad like star wars
6 hours ago
painful experiemce after 4 minutes i got the fuck outta here , i just wanted a fucking review not shmuckery from you imbeciles because you milk it for every penny overdoing everything and it just gets way too fucking much to bear
Ian Fults
8 hours ago
I am sorry guys, but this is not funny, not impressed with your presentation and your voices irritated the daylights out of me.
Just my subjective opinion, but ya, you need to learn how to sound like you are not reading horribly written dialogue.
Annoyance Factor Infinity.
How you got 650K subs blows my mind, not quality that's for sure.
I am just blow away by how bad this was . .
MMA REBELZ
8 hours ago
so y’all just trolling
Pauladin Won
7 hours ago
There's a difference between satire and being complete utter idiocy. These guys are so fucking punchable.
There is obviously more to all of it than that, but this is spoiler-free, and going in with as little knowledge as possible makes for an optimal viewing experience.
There has been some worry among fans that Lucasfilm wasn’t giving their directors and writers any room to create their own movies. While many agreed that The Force Awakens was good, it did feel very similar to A New Hope. The Last Jedi is nothing like Empire Strikes Back, and in fact feels very much like Rogue One in that it’s extremely different. It takes risks from the first moment and opens up new doors in what the mythology of this world really is.
This is a character piece, and the moments of building are subtle and lovely to watch. We see our main heroes each go through new trials and tribulations that help shape the people they will become in future movies — in both good ways and bad. Director/writer Rian Johnson doesn’t just take risks; he does things with this movie that could easily be considered “unsafe” for brand management,
The cast continues to be the best part of this entire franchise. Any moment Carrie Fisher is on screen is just a reminder of what a wonderful actress and person we lost. It makes every one of her scenes that much more moving and heartbreaking. Hamill shows us a new side to Luke Skywalker and proves that he can take this character in new and believable directions. Ridley is a powerhouse in the role of Rey as we watch this young woman struggle to find her place in this world. Boyega and Tran are a great duo. Their story is fun and engaging to watch, with Tran clearly becoming the new heart of the series. Oscar Isaac‘s Poe Dameron grows in beautifully subtle ways and continues to steal every single scene he’s in. Newcomers Laura Dern and Benicio del Toro don’t have a ton of screen time, but Dern in particular is handed one of the best scenes in the movie. Driver and Domhnall Gleeson as General Hux continue to play wonderfully off of each other to the point where you want to ask them to lay their lightsabers on the table and get out a ruler to clear everything up.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi is an emotional roller coaster of a movie. It fakes you out with what you think is going to happen, and then completely flips that on its head. It expands the scope of what we think is capable from the Force in this universe. It sets up a new dynamic that is going to prove fascinating to watch in future movies. “This is not going to go the way you think,” is the best possible way to describe this gift of a film.
94% on rotten tomatoes, so I suppose that means it is even better than Ghostbuster 2016
Star Wars: The Last Jedi honors the saga's rich legacy while adding some surprising twists—and delivering all the emotion-rich action fans could hope for.
Robert sure has a lot of alts.QuoteDavid Watsonnothing says salad like star wars
6 hours ago
painful experiemce after 4 minutes i got the fuck outta here , i just wanted a fucking review not shmuckery from you imbeciles because you milk it for every penny overdoing everything and it just gets way too fucking much to bear
Ian Fults
8 hours ago
I am sorry guys, but this is not funny, not impressed with your presentation and your voices irritated the daylights out of me.
Just my subjective opinion, but ya, you need to learn how to sound like you are not reading horribly written dialogue.
Annoyance Factor Infinity.
How you got 650K subs blows my mind, not quality that's for sure.
I am just blow away by how bad this was . .
MMA REBELZ
8 hours ago
so y’all just trolling
Pauladin Won
7 hours ago
There's a difference between satire and being complete utter idiocy. These guys are so fucking punchable.
ROTS's best part is those first 10 minutes thoThere is no best part of that movie.
And this is why idiot "journalists" need to stop using and quoting Rottentomatoes scores. It's irrelevant garbage. Most of the reviews were like "ok, it's decent" and then there were some scathing ones like the CNN review. Most nobody but the hardest of popculture geeks loved this turd.CNN fucking unloaded on this movie, goddamn. :lol Calling it closer to Attack of the Clones than The Empire Strikes Back.
Whaaaat
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/12/entertainment/star-wars-the-last-jedi-review/index.htmlQuoteIf expectations for "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" were inordinately (and perhaps unfairly) high, thank "The Force Awakens," which had a huge donut hole in the shape of Luke Skywalker at its center. Yet even with Luke integrated into the story, the film feels like a significant letdown, one that does far less than its predecessor to stoke enthusiasm for the next leg in the trilogy.
[...]
And where "Force Awakens" director J.J. Abrams nicely set the table for this sequel, this film leaves Abrams (who will reprise that role on Episode IX) with his work cut out for him. The flaws also invite second-guessing about Lucasfilm's pre-release vote of confidence by anointing Johnson as the force behind a separate trilogy set in that far-away galaxy.
[...]
In crass commercial terms, no clairvoyance is necessary to predict that "The Last Jedi" will be a huge hit, blunting any criticism. Yet if "The Empire Strikes Back" stands as the defining chapter in the "Star Wars" saga, as second movies go, "Last Jedi" ranks closer to the "Attack of the Clones" end of the gene pool.
Can't wait for the Plinkett review on this one. :hyper
The one good thing to come from the Disney purchase of Fox is that we'll finally get those unmolested version Star Wars Original Trilogy Blurays. Maybe.
I want to spoil myself just so I can spoil other people like my roommate who is hyped
pls PM or post the plot so I can read it and not think about it during my hellish weekend of final examsI want to spoil myself just so I can spoil other people like my roommate who is hyped
I'm so exhausted by Star Wars shit that I'm tempted to blow it for everyone anywhere I can out of spite. I'm not quite there but I don't think I can stop myself next year
I ended up not liking a lot about this movie sadly, how much are we allowed to talk about it in this thread?
People praising the Finn / Rose plot as “amazing” completely baffles me.
Remember this part in Star Wars::philspoiler (click to show/hide)Bad guy takes his shirt off and shows his giant baby body to good guy - well that's only in this film[close]
All three should be for murdering the pacing and enjoyment of this movie.spoiler (click to show/hide)also what the fuck happened to the Knights of Ren?[close]
the fact that there's a whole subplot/theme against the 1% in a Star Wars flick made by Disney/LucasArts :delicious :delicious :delicious
This movie needed like a page... 30 rewrite. I thought the beginning was great.Your existence deserves a rewrite. Keep shilling the most experienced candidate of all time and leave my Star Wars alone. Thanks.spoiler (click to show/hide)It all starts going downhill once it turns into Battlestar Galactica.[close]
Your existence deserves a rewrite. Keep shilling the most experienced candidate of all time and leave my Star Wars alone. Thanks.STFU Junior
the fact that there's a whole subplot/theme against the 1% in a Star Wars flick made by Disney/LucasArts :delicious :delicious :delicious
"Yeah but they deserved it."
It's a kids movie!
I like how Phasma was hyped up to be some badass but then she just had a small role and did nothing in TFA (*cough*Boba Fett, Darth Maul) but then they brought her back for basically no reason other than to reassure the audience that Han and Finn didn’t kill her, then they had her just do nothing again and die for real(?) this time.
I loved it. There's definitely some issues but this was a fun Star Wars movie. I'm really curious WTF they were thinking with Benicio Del Toros character. He was so fucking bad.
spoiler (click to show/hide)I don’t think I give any fucks about anyone left alive in these movies except Rey and Kylo now and even then I don’t know where they can go with that that now that isn’t yet more RotJ level pointlessness leading to the inevitable final battle sequence.[close]
spoiler (click to show/hide)I don’t think I give any fucks about anyone left alive in these movies except Rey and Kylo now and even then I don’t know where they can go with that that now that isn’t yet more RotJ level pointlessness leading to the inevitable final battle sequence.[close]
Yeah I seriously don't care about any of the characters, even Rey and Kylo at the this point.
spoiler (click to show/hide)The dark side cave having nothing to offer Rey is the lamest shit I could imagine for the obvious Degobah callback. I genuinely don't buy into Rey = Mary Sue complaints and think that her naivety and child like view of the Force, Jedi, etc is actually sort of fresh in TFA, but that scene absolutely murders the defense against Rey complaints.
She's just so pure that the Dark Side doesn't even tempt her? Fuck off. She can be better than Luke was here, but please make her work for it.[close]
They did Admiral Ackbar fucking dirty >:(
Depth? :lol
What depth? Serious question.
Depth? :lol
What depth? Serious question.
From a character to character basisspoiler (click to show/hide)the forced connection between Rey and Kylo, mirroring the balance
Luke coming to grip with what hes done and his legacy
You could feel the war weighing heavier in this film on Leia
Rey realizing that she comes from gutter trash, she aint special
Kylo losing his shit over a past he has no control over
Finn realizing he's just there for jokes and is a junk character I'm sorry everyone who was hopeful about him[close]
I related with with the characters in this film more than the carnival ride that was The Force Awakens.
I mean tbe overarching message on legacy alone is worth more than TFAs sole purpose of rev starting the franchise.
Depth? :lol
What depth? Serious question.
From a character to character basisspoiler (click to show/hide)the forced connection between Rey and Kylo, mirroring the balance
Luke coming to grip with what hes done and his legacy
You could feel the war weighing heavier in this film on Leia
Rey realizing that she comes from gutter trash, she aint special
Kylo losing his shit over a past he has no control over
Finn realizing he's just there for jokes and is a junk character I'm sorry everyone who was hopeful about him[close]
I related with with the characters in this film more than the carnival ride that was The Force Awakens.
I mean tbe overarching message on legacy alone is worth more than TFAs sole purpose of rev starting the franchise.spoiler (click to show/hide)snoke deliberately says he made that connection between Rey and Kylo.
Luke was the only interesting character arc IMO. Although Kylo and Rey was interesting, the ending made me not give a shit about anyone as there was no payoff.[close]
None of that besides the Luke thing even speaks of depth IMO.
To me depth is the scene in TFA where we first meet Rey and learn so much about her from a scene without one word being said. Just making her dinner and then putting on that helmet. I liked character development like that in TFA and didn't get it in TLJ.
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??
:noah
how can you people still want to watch this crap
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??
:noah
how can you people still want to watch this crap
Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.
I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.
I think we can all agreespoiler (click to show/hide)the vacuum of space Leia was cringey as fuck[close]
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??
:noah
how can you people still want to watch this crap
Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.
Cool you still saw this movie on day one and lets be real you'll see the next day one as well.
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.I don't see the point in seeing ep 9 besides wanting to see where this all goes.
I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.
I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.
I don't give a fuck about marvel movies either. Last one I saw was civil war that was complete and utter balls. Before that, I saw Captain America 2 and that was okay I guess. For all the stuff Disney is buying up, their quality is starting to go down the crapper. I like their tv far more especially Luke Cage and Daredevil season 1. Haven't seen Punisher or Runaways yet. The next marvel thing I'll see is Black Panther. I saw the Infinity War trailer today while at Episode 8 and literally thought to myself,"who still cares about that that dog crap?"
As far Star Wars, ep 8 was so bad and the movie was terrible at making you care about the stakes or get emotionally invested about any of the characters besides a few that I don't see the point in seeing ep 9 besides wanting to see where this all goes.
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??
:noah
how can you people still want to watch this crap
Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.
Cool you still saw this movie on day one and lets be real you'll see the next day one as well.
You think you know anything about me? I am clinically depressed and this was the only thing I had to look forward to this week. So yeah I saw it on day one.
How about we bet something that I will it see ep 9 on day one and you can take your passive aggressive faggotry elsewhere
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.
I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.
I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.
I don't give a fuck about marvel movies either. Last one I saw was civil war that was complete and utter balls. Before that, I saw Captain America 2 and that was okay I guess. For all the stuff Disney is buying up, their quality is starting to go down the crapper. I like their tv far more especially Luke Cage and Daredevil season 1. Haven't seen Punisher or Runaways yet. The next marvel thing I'll see is Black Panther. I saw the Infinity War trailer today while at Episode 8 and literally thought to myself,"who still cares about that that dog crap?"
As far Star Wars, ep 8 was so bad and the movie was terrible at making you care about the stakes or get emotionally invested about any of the characters besides a few that I don't see the point in seeing ep 9 besides wanting to see where this all goes.
I'm sorry, but that's not all ALL what I thought leaving the theater. How can you not care about the stakes when nearly every main character is connected, experiencing failure while at the same time learning from each other?spoiler (click to show/hide)Rey, Ben and Luke contribute so much of each other's growth, development I haven't seen in a popular film in ages.[close]
The problem of the movie is the overarching story – escaping the FO, trying to deceive them, and learning the ways of the Jedi. The strength of the movie is how every character realizes the fault in each endeavor and grows individually to contribute to the better whole.
It's a phenomenal character movie burdened by a poorly paced and edited buddy cop movie.
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.
I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.
Maybe cause Marvel's good?
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.
I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.
Maybe cause Marvel's good?
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??
:noah
how can you people still want to watch this crap
Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.
Cool you still saw this movie on day one and lets be real you'll see the next day one as well.
You think you know anything about me? I am clinically depressed and this was the only thing I had to look forward to this week. So yeah I saw it on day one.
How about we bet something that I will it see ep 9 on day one and you can take your passive aggressive faggotry elsewhere
I mean, maybe this is the crux of everything? Stop placing so many eggs in one basket? Heal yourself before you try to look to things to spur healing for you?
I just think your perspective is coming from a place not of valid critique but from completely misaligned expectations. The movie has some flaws but it's plot direction is not one of them.
Marvel has all those movies?
:sabu
Besides Spider-Man, fuck that.
I just found out Thor Ragnarok existed this past weekend. Lmao
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.
I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.
Maybe cause Marvel's good?
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whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??
:noah
how can you people still want to watch this crap
Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.
Cool you still saw this movie on day one and lets be real you'll see the next day one as well.
You think you know anything about me? I am clinically depressed and this was the only thing I had to look forward to this week. So yeah I saw it on day one.
How about we bet something that I will it see ep 9 on day one and you can take your passive aggressive faggotry elsewhere
I mean, maybe this is the crux of everything? Stop placing so many eggs in one basket? Heal yourself before you try to look to things to spur healing for you?
I just think your perspective is coming from a place not of valid critique but from completely misaligned expectations. The movie has some flaws but it's plot direction is not one of them.
Its plot direction is dog shit
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??
:noah
how can you people still want to watch this crap
Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.
Cool you still saw this movie on day one and lets be real you'll see the next day one as well.
You think you know anything about me? I am clinically depressed and this was the only thing I had to look forward to this week. So yeah I saw it on day one.
How about we bet something that I will it see ep 9 on day one and you can take your passive aggressive faggotry elsewhere
I mean, maybe this is the crux of everything? Stop placing so many eggs in one basket? Heal yourself before you try to look to things to spur healing for you?
I just think your perspective is coming from a place not of valid critique but from completely misaligned expectations. The movie has some flaws but it's plot direction is not one of them.
Its plot direction is dog shit
I don't agree at all. Empowering these young, inexperienced heroes with the lessons of failure and the ability to come together after the fact is not at all dog shit...in fact it's the entire conceit of the film. You're just pissed about things you wanted to happen that didn't.
Himu, I'll say this as nicely as I can: I think you're deliberately trying to provoke reactions out of people in order to justify further negative thoughts. I don't think it's healthy, and my recommendation for everyone here is to ignore your posts on the subject for the time being. Sorry.
Get your head in a better space, buddy. <3
Himu, I'll say this as nicely as I can: I think you're deliberately trying to provoke reactions out of people in order to justify further negative thoughts. I don't think it's healthy, and my recommendation for everyone here is to ignore your posts on the subject for the time being. Sorry.
Get your head in a better space, buddy. <3
Himu, I'll say this as nicely as I can: I think you're deliberately trying to provoke reactions out of people in order to justify further negative thoughts. I don't think it's healthy, and my recommendation for everyone here is to ignore your posts on the subject for the time being. Sorry.
Get your head in a better space, buddy. <3
I am not trying to provoke shit. This is how I legitimately feel and fuck you considering my valid criticisms of this movie as just "negativity".
I'm sorry, we can't take the opinion of a DC stan seriously.
Himu, please proceed.
Liked the movie. It was pretty solid. Thematically more interesting than TFA. The world and war still makes no sense and it was disappointing how Snoke was developed, but still pretty god.
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??
:noah
how can you people still want to watch this crap
Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.
Cool you still saw this movie on day one and lets be real you'll see the next day one as well.
You think you know anything about me? I am clinically depressed and this was the only thing I had to look forward to this week. So yeah I saw it on day one.
How about we bet something that I will it see ep 9 on day one and you can take your passive aggressive faggotry elsewhere
I mean, maybe this is the crux of everything? Stop placing so many eggs in one basket? Heal yourself before you try to look to things to spur healing for you?
I just think your perspective is coming from a place not of valid critique but from completely misaligned expectations. The movie has some flaws but it's plot direction is not one of them.
Its plot direction is dog shit
I don't agree at all. Empowering these young, inexperienced heroes with the lessons of failure and the ability to come together after the fact is not at all dog shit...in fact it's the entire conceit of the film. You're just pissed about things you wanted to happen that didn't.
Lessons of failure is cool. Except you have to show that they actually learned their lesson within the movie. But that's for ep 9 to show. Hence, no investment. The characters are all complete bumbling dumb asses. The concept of failure and stuff is a good one. But the execution was terrible.
Himu, I'll say this as nicely as I can: I think you're deliberately trying to provoke reactions out of people in order to justify further negative thoughts. I don't think it's healthy, and my recommendation for everyone here is to ignore your posts on the subject for the time being. Sorry.
Get your head in a better space, buddy. <3
I am not trying to provoke shit. This is how I legitimately feel and fuck you considering my valid criticisms of this movie as just "negativity".
Thank you for proving my point. Himu, I've seen you lash out over seemingly-trivial shit like this before. I know you don't really mean it. Whenever you want to drop an apology my way, my PM's are always open.I'm sorry, we can't take the opinion of a DC stan seriously.
Himu, please proceed.
Like my only other post today was reviewing Justice League and giving it a 2/5, lol.
DC Comics = GOAT
DC Films (really, "WB Films") minus Batman Begins, TDK, and Wonder Woman = WOAT
Himu, I'll say this as nicely as I can: I think you're deliberately trying to provoke reactions out of people in order to justify further negative thoughts. I don't think it's healthy, and my recommendation for everyone here is to ignore your posts on the subject for the time being. Sorry.
Get your head in a better space, buddy. <3
I am not trying to provoke shit. This is how I legitimately feel and fuck you considering my valid criticisms of this movie as just "negativity".
Thank you for proving my point. Himu, I've seen you lash out over seemingly-trivial shit like this before. I know you don't really mean it. Whenever you want to drop an apology my way, my PM's are always open.I'm sorry, we can't take the opinion of a DC stan seriously.
Himu, please proceed.
Like my only other post today was reviewing Justice League and giving it a 2/5, lol.
DC Comics = GOAT
DC Films (really, "WB Films") minus Batman Begins, TDK, and Wonder Woman = WOAT
That is literally what you did. You are dismissing my criticism because of influences outside of Star Wars and it's not really fair. I refuse to apologize for this and feel you are the one who owes an apology.
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??
:noah
how can you people still want to watch this crap
Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.
Cool you still saw this movie on day one and lets be real you'll see the next day one as well.
You think you know anything about me? I am clinically depressed and this was the only thing I had to look forward to this week. So yeah I saw it on day one.
How about we bet something that I will it see ep 9 on day one and you can take your passive aggressive faggotry elsewhere
I mean, maybe this is the crux of everything? Stop placing so many eggs in one basket? Heal yourself before you try to look to things to spur healing for you?
I just think your perspective is coming from a place not of valid critique but from completely misaligned expectations. The movie has some flaws but it's plot direction is not one of them.
Its plot direction is dog shit
I don't agree at all. Empowering these young, inexperienced heroes with the lessons of failure and the ability to come together after the fact is not at all dog shit...in fact it's the entire conceit of the film. You're just pissed about things you wanted to happen that didn't.
Lessons of failure is cool. Except you have to show that they actually learned their lesson within the movie. But that's for ep 9 to show. Hence, no investment. The characters are all complete bumbling dumb asses. The concept of failure and stuff is a good one. But the execution was terrible.
I disagree entirely.spoiler (click to show/hide)Luke's obvious reconciliation with his past failure with Ben.
Finn's failure as a hero that people claim that he is contrasted with his eventual acceptance of his place as a rebel through his actions with Rose
Adding to that Finn's failure to recognize that fighting the good fight is through fighting for love vs. fighting for revenge
Poe's failure to accept orders and buy-in to the bigger picture leads him to see Luke's broader plan and lead to the Rebel's escape
Rose's failure through trusting Del toro's character due to her personal feelings to avenge her sister, leading her to realize that saving the ones you care for is the worthy fight as opposed to vengeance (which makes the Finn/Rose connection much more important than people are giving it credit for
Holdo's failure as a transparent leader allows for mutiny and her fleeing forces to still be murdered, allowing her to realize her role is to be a kamikaze for the benefit of the galaxy
Rey's failure by submitting to the dark side lead her to realize that she had nothing to gain from it, and become the better person as compared to Ben.[close]
There's so much to witness and extrapolate from this movie. There's so much character growth, but people are forgetting it or choosing to ignore it simply because the movie didn't do things the way they wanted.
So this is completely separate from how we even started this. Which was my argument that the movie failed to make you invested enough to even care about episode 9. I feel that way. It is not hyperbole. How do you think the ending gave enough to want to give a fuck about episode 9?
I saw Ragnarok because I thought it was going to be cool, but the generic Asgard shitThis has been the main thing that has driven me up the wall regarding the Thor films. The only cool part of Thor is Asgard shit and they don't even really use it. I would have liked Ragnarok more if it was just Planet Thor ft. Hulk and Loki.
Right, Star Wars was never anything but sci-fi schlock, that was its entire inspiration. Flash Gordon.I started reading this, and then I gave up.
The Expanded Universe, yes, a lot of that went in some very unique directions because it had the space to breathe and basically ditch everything about Star Wars except the basic concepts/races/etc. and even most of that was straight garbage. I mean, we talk about two VIDEO GAMES as some of the best EU storytelling ffs lol.
What the OT pulled off was telling a story, though hardly an original one, about a small band of characters and their adventures, while hinting at a larger world, until ESB upends the entire table and forces Jedi to start reaching ludicrous speeds for a conclusion that neither of the prior two films, nor even the first half of Jedi justify. The New Trilogy so far is working off Jedi's model more than the others.
The Prequels went in the entire opposite direction, galaxy altering events were happening all over and Lucas was jamming Obi-Wan and Anakin and Natalie Portman into the center of them. Because prophecy.
My half seriousness about TPM, and ultimately Palpatine's entire plot since his scheming is actually best shown in TPM considering where the film starts regarding all the pieces he has to move, being the best, is it's the actual Star Wars film where there is a full on plot at work. As much as Lucas wanted the Prequels to be about Anakin that's outright trash and ultimately irrelevant, it's really about Palpatine's manipulation of the entire galaxy to not only turn the entire galactic government over to his control, but wipe out the Jedi after millennia with none of them even knowing it's a Sith plot until the last film at which point it's too late. Anakin doesn't even truly fall under Palpatine's thrall until the back third of ROTS and even Palpatine had to be surprised as fuck at how he pulled it off.
The OT doesn't have any of this. It has better actors, better dialogue, better direction, better pacing, better action, etc. but until Lucas decided "the twist" it didn't have anything to hold it together except the character relationships. (Which it upends for Jedi.) The NT so far doesn't have much of any of it either. We're two thirds of a way through the story now and what exactly has been accomplished that the notion of Star Wars as a fantasy epic with a vital universe is backed by? Even our two key characters are at the same point they were at the end of TFA. You could even argue this film spent much of its run time trying to subvert where TFA left them and what we'd expect, only to suddenly revert the entire thing down the stretch. (This is not to mention what they've done with the universe itself.)
The reason the Thrawn Trilogy was/is so praised was not that it's brilliantly written, it's not significantly better than most licensed novels of the era, and even as "Star Wars" it's a poor sequel to Jedi as Lucas hadn't yet actually decided all that shit about how the force works or what Luke's end goal was/the state of the Sith/etc. It's that it took the universe status, and the character status, in the wake of Jedi, and built logically off of it. The Empire had not suddenly collapsed, it was just heavily weakened, the Rebels weren't victors, most of the galaxy was taking the advantage of being freed to be Non-Aligned, much of the time is spent by Leia and Empire equivalents at propping up alliances or neutrality agreements, and both sides are looking for an advantage in the continued war. Han doesn't run off as a smuggler because he's now invested in these friends, Luke is trying to figure out his place but recognizes the advantage of a Jedi being around, etc. I'm going to really work off my memory here so I could get major chunks of this wrong, or be combing it with another book or something. The trilogy's actual hook is Thrawn himself, he's thrust into a role of intergalactic significance and progresses to realize what that means. When he's placed in the position to decide regarding the Clone War armada they come across and most of the one book is spent with both sides fighting over, it's one of the few times that Star Wars (and remember, Thrawn came out when the EU did not effectively exist, it started it, so along with the films and a few other novels and the Christmas Special, this was Star Wars) actually stops and asks moral questions about character actions. Thrawn recognizes the evil of the Late Empire, but also it's importance prior in providing a form of Galactic Order, as well as the Clone War Armada being potentially a greater evil than the continued sparring with the Rebels. (The book is sketchy on the events of the Clone Wars because I know a few people here remember that before the Prequels actually showed the damn thing it was considered this horrific monstrous war, and the book works off that premise that activating the ships may unleash an old terror. And the suggestion that the Empire may have been necessary to simply end it, not because it was a setup by Palpatine, but because it was the only way to end the horror.)
TFA basically said "so like, it's kinda like that being 30 years later, but i dunno how to do it so lol whatever we got a RESISTANCE and a FIRST ORDER and boy it sure looks like star wars tho huh u see some of them vistas"
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/293/802/585.gif)Right, Star Wars was never anything but sci-fi schlock, that was its entire inspiration. Flash Gordon.I started reading this, and then I gave up.
The Expanded Universe, yes, a lot of that went in some very unique directions because it had the space to breathe and basically ditch everything about Star Wars except the basic concepts/races/etc. and even most of that was straight garbage. I mean, we talk about two VIDEO GAMES as some of the best EU storytelling ffs lol.
What the OT pulled off was telling a story, though hardly an original one, about a small band of characters and their adventures, while hinting at a larger world, until ESB upends the entire table and forces Jedi to start reaching ludicrous speeds for a conclusion that neither of the prior two films, nor even the first half of Jedi justify. The New Trilogy so far is working off Jedi's model more than the others.
The Prequels went in the entire opposite direction, galaxy altering events were happening all over and Lucas was jamming Obi-Wan and Anakin and Natalie Portman into the center of them. Because prophecy.
My half seriousness about TPM, and ultimately Palpatine's entire plot since his scheming is actually best shown in TPM considering where the film starts regarding all the pieces he has to move, being the best, is it's the actual Star Wars film where there is a full on plot at work. As much as Lucas wanted the Prequels to be about Anakin that's outright trash and ultimately irrelevant, it's really about Palpatine's manipulation of the entire galaxy to not only turn the entire galactic government over to his control, but wipe out the Jedi after millennia with none of them even knowing it's a Sith plot until the last film at which point it's too late. Anakin doesn't even truly fall under Palpatine's thrall until the back third of ROTS and even Palpatine had to be surprised as fuck at how he pulled it off.
The OT doesn't have any of this. It has better actors, better dialogue, better direction, better pacing, better action, etc. but until Lucas decided "the twist" it didn't have anything to hold it together except the character relationships. (Which it upends for Jedi.) The NT so far doesn't have much of any of it either. We're two thirds of a way through the story now and what exactly has been accomplished that the notion of Star Wars as a fantasy epic with a vital universe is backed by? Even our two key characters are at the same point they were at the end of TFA. You could even argue this film spent much of its run time trying to subvert where TFA left them and what we'd expect, only to suddenly revert the entire thing down the stretch. (This is not to mention what they've done with the universe itself.)
The reason the Thrawn Trilogy was/is so praised was not that it's brilliantly written, it's not significantly better than most licensed novels of the era, and even as "Star Wars" it's a poor sequel to Jedi as Lucas hadn't yet actually decided all that shit about how the force works or what Luke's end goal was/the state of the Sith/etc. It's that it took the universe status, and the character status, in the wake of Jedi, and built logically off of it. The Empire had not suddenly collapsed, it was just heavily weakened, the Rebels weren't victors, most of the galaxy was taking the advantage of being freed to be Non-Aligned, much of the time is spent by Leia and Empire equivalents at propping up alliances or neutrality agreements, and both sides are looking for an advantage in the continued war. Han doesn't run off as a smuggler because he's now invested in these friends, Luke is trying to figure out his place but recognizes the advantage of a Jedi being around, etc. I'm going to really work off my memory here so I could get major chunks of this wrong, or be combing it with another book or something. The trilogy's actual hook is Thrawn himself, he's thrust into a role of intergalactic significance and progresses to realize what that means. When he's placed in the position to decide regarding the Clone War armada they come across and most of the one book is spent with both sides fighting over, it's one of the few times that Star Wars (and remember, Thrawn came out when the EU did not effectively exist, it started it, so along with the films and a few other novels and the Christmas Special, this was Star Wars) actually stops and asks moral questions about character actions. Thrawn recognizes the evil of the Late Empire, but also it's importance prior in providing a form of Galactic Order, as well as the Clone War Armada being potentially a greater evil than the continued sparring with the Rebels. (The book is sketchy on the events of the Clone Wars because I know a few people here remember that before the Prequels actually showed the damn thing it was considered this horrific monstrous war, and the book works off that premise that activating the ships may unleash an old terror. And the suggestion that the Empire may have been necessary to simply end it, not because it was a setup by Palpatine, but because it was the only way to end the horror.)
TFA basically said "so like, it's kinda like that being 30 years later, but i dunno how to do it so lol whatever we got a RESISTANCE and a FIRST ORDER and boy it sure looks like star wars tho huh u see some of them vistas"
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.
Because nerds got their feels hurt that the characters and story beats weren't exactly as they planned in their head and now they're doing a Simpson comic book guy impersonation.
There is some legit criticism but this movie can hang with the OT and Empire; I think it's even better.
That was equal to or better than ESB.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09tTlVQ3VfY
That was equal to or better than ESB.
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.
Because nerds got their feels hurt that the characters and story beats weren't exactly as they planned in their head and now they're doing a Simpson comic book guy impersonation.
There is some legit criticism but this movie can hang with the OT and Empire; I think it's even better.
This new series? Wasted opportunity, and gives off the distinct impression of a deliberate and pointlessly petty exercise in tearing down the old characters in an effort to make the new ones look better.
I’d be alright if Rose was just never mentioned again. I’m left with no reason to care about that character and plenty of reason to not want her dragging other characters into boring misadventures.
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.
Because nerds got their feels hurt that the characters and story beats weren't exactly as they planned in their head and now they're doing a Simpson comic book guy impersonation.
There is some legit criticism but this movie can hang with the OT and Empire; I think it's even better.Whether you liked them or not, here's a scene with two characters riding a horse through glass. Like every family adventure movie! Here's out of place jokes, like every family movie! Some alien putting coins in BB-8 and and BB-8 conveniently uses them as an automatic weapon! Just like my favorite family adventure movies!Don't come here with that reset era 20-something faggotry. Talking about people with whatever expectations. Nah. Movie has terrible and baffling storytelling decisions.
The tone is not Star Wars.
Actually, scratch that. It is. The tone is akin to prequel Star Wars.
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.
Because nerds got their feels hurt that the characters and story beats weren't exactly as they planned in their head and now they're doing a Simpson comic book guy impersonation.
There is some legit criticism but this movie can hang with the OT and Empire; I think it's even better.Whether you liked them or not, here's a scene with two characters riding a horse through glass. Like every family adventure movie! Here's out of place jokes, like every family movie! Some alien putting coins in BB-8 and and BB-8 conveniently uses them as an automatic weapon! Just like my favorite family adventure movies!Don't come here with that reset era 20-something faggotry. Talking about people with whatever expectations. Nah. Movie has terrible and baffling storytelling decisions.
The tone is not Star Wars.
Actually, scratch that. It is. The tone is akin to prequel Star Wars.
Someone is getting hit with dem nostalgia glasses.
ESB is full of humor, and what baffling plot decisions do you speak of? That Rian had the audacity to do something new and interesting with the story?
Cindi, have you ever considered taking a week off from the internet :doge
damn, I don't think I've ever encountered such a divide between critics and fans.
I kinda love it.
damn, I don't think I've ever encountered such a divide between critics and fans.
I kinda love it.
Critics are being paid, fans aren't :doge
will watch in late January or February, like a Real Adult.
will watch in late January or February, like a Real Adult.
I just want one spoiler: is Rey a Skywalker or related to Obi Wan? Tired of that shit.
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.
this movie proves once and for all that star wars has no established tone or style and means pretty much nothing so you can have a big weird mix of battlestar galactica, the fifth element, the expanse, and anime, and as long as it has the star wars ships, weapons and characters, literally anything can happen because there is no story to derail and people will cheer when they see the lightsaber
I just want one spoiler: is Rey a Skywalker or related to Obi Wan? Tired of that shit.
This franchise sucks.
The new series is just a cash grab.
The other movies at least had passion in them.
Rogue One and especially Last Jedi were prequel status to me. At least George was passionate about inserting weird world building.
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.
It really isn't.
Perfect post at Reset.Quotethis movie proves once and for all that star wars has no established tone or style and means pretty much nothing so you can have a big weird mix of battlestar galactica, the fifth element, the expanse, and anime, and as long as it has the star wars ships, weapons and characters, literally anything can happen because there is no story to derail and people will cheer when they see the lightsaber
Another reason Trek > Wars
Rogue One and especially Last Jedi were prequel status to me. At least George was passionate about inserting weird world building.
They have a Star Wars movie every year the next four years. :beli George was a slut for merchandising but not the way Disney is. I'm not sure how that's debatable.
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.
It really isn't.
Perfect post at Reset.Quotethis movie proves once and for all that star wars has no established tone or style and means pretty much nothing so you can have a big weird mix of battlestar galactica, the fifth element, the expanse, and anime, and as long as it has the star wars ships, weapons and characters, literally anything can happen because there is no story to derail and people will cheer when they see the lightsaber
Another reason Trek > Wars
So exactly as I said...they did something you didn't like so therefor it's bad. Believe it or not just saying other sci-fi series without realizing what actually makes them what they are (hint, it's story, characters and settings; not stupid things like "tone" and "feels") :doge
You're welcome to say you don't like it but you gonna be hyperbolic and dramatic be prepared for counter snark. :ufup
They have a Star Wars movie every year the next four years. :beli George was a slut for merchandising but not the way Disney is. I'm not sure how that's debatable.
Oh, no doubt about it. Plus you have ads for Disney Star Wars cruises and shit before the movie even starts. But the level of quality on these movies, so far, has been much better than the dreck Lucas shat out with that previous set of movies. So that's OK with me.
They have a Star Wars movie every year the next four years. :beli (http://George was a slut for merchandising) but not the way Disney is. I'm not sure how that's debatable.
the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.
It really isn't.
Perfect post at Reset.Quotethis movie proves once and for all that star wars has no established tone or style and means pretty much nothing so you can have a big weird mix of battlestar galactica, the fifth element, the expanse, and anime, and as long as it has the star wars ships, weapons and characters, literally anything can happen because there is no story to derail and people will cheer when they see the lightsaber
Another reason Trek > Wars
So exactly as I said...they did something you didn't like so therefor it's bad. Believe it or not just saying other sci-fi series without realizing what actually makes them what they are (hint, it's story, characters and settings; not stupid things like "tone" and "feels") :doge
You're welcome to say you don't like it but you gonna be hyperbolic and dramatic be prepared for counter snark. :ufup
You're acting like a complete and utter taco and should probably head back to Reset. The thing they did "I didn't want" was make a bad movie.
They have a Star Wars movie every year the next four years. :beli George was a slut for merchandising but not the way Disney is. I'm not sure how that's debatable.
Oh, no doubt about it. Plus you have ads for Disney Star Wars cruises and shit before the movie even starts. But the level of quality on these movies, so far, has been much better than the dreck Lucas shat out with that previous set of movies. So that's OK with me.
I think Rogue One and Last Jedi are definitely on par with the prequels. Last Jedi especially shares the same problems I have with the prequels and the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.
"Not objectively bad movies"
Last Jedi has the smallest universe of a sci fi movie I've ever seen. Trying to make them run out of fuel. Riveting entertainment.
Cindi, remember when we talked about taking a break from the internet earlier?
the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.
You've got to be kidding me here. :lol :rofl
Cindi, remember when we talked about taking a break from the internet earlier?
I think some OT fans need to take a break.
People around the net have been losing their minds over silly shit. I can't take people serious when they try to argue the new trilogy is on par with "Jar Jar" and "MY LOVE FOR YOU IS A WATERFALL" or my favorite "LETS TALK POLITICS IN A FICTIONAL UNIVERSE FOR HOURS"
You are welcome to not like them by all means. But don't try to be disingenuous and seriously argue they are critically equal to the prequels.
the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.
You've got to be kidding me here. :lol :rofl
No I am not.
I would respect the opinion of people who like the movie if they would reduce people's problems with it as something to do with expectations or we didn't get _____ out of it. I have said why I think it's shit and I'm tired of people assuming my motives or putting words in my mouth and saying shit about expectations which makes them sound distinguished mentally-challenged shills.
Cindi, remember when we talked about taking a break from the internet earlier?
I think some OT fans need to take a break.
People around the net have been losing their minds over silly shit. I can't take people serious when they try to argue the new trilogy is on par with "Jar Jar" and "MY LOVE FOR YOU IS A WATERFALL" or my favorite "LETS TALK POLITICS IN A FICTIONAL UNIVERSE FOR HOURS"
You are welcome to not like them by all means. But don't try to be disingenuous and seriously argue they are critically equal to the prequels.
I can say what I want. You haven't even asked why I personally think it's on par with the prequels. Because you don't care. Please go back to Reset or whatever hole you came from.
I think we can all agreespoiler (click to show/hide)the vacuum of space Leia was cringey as fuck[close]
the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.
You've got to be kidding me here. :lol :rofl
No I am not.
I would respect the opinion of people who like the movie if they would reduce people's problems with it as something to do with expectations or we didn't get _____ out of it. I have said why I think it's shit and I'm tired of people assuming my motives or putting words in my mouth and saying shit about expectations which makes them sound distinguished mentally-challenged shills.
Which is what I said.
You didn't like it; not it was an objectively bad movie. IF you think that then why? Rose and Finn were there to show reasons to fight a war beyond Finn's initial hate and anger. It was also there for the overarching theme of failure and growing from it.
Jar Jar was there for bad comic relief and racism.
the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.
You've got to be kidding me here. :lol :rofl
No I am not.
I would respect the opinion of people who like the movie if they would reduce people's problems with it as something to do with expectations or we didn't get _____ out of it. I have said why I think it's shit and I'm tired of people assuming my motives or putting words in my mouth and saying shit about expectations which makes them sound distinguished mentally-challenged shills.
Which is what I said.
You didn't like it; not it was an objectively bad movie. IF you think that then why? Rose and Finn were there to show reasons to fight a war beyond Finn's initial hate and anger. It was also there for the overarching theme of failure and growing from it.
Jar Jar was there for bad comic relief and racism.
That is clearly a typo you dumbass.
Rogue One and especially Last Jedi were prequel status to me. At least George was passionate about inserting weird world building.
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Yeah, you're one of those "fans".
Comparing dumpster fires with bad direction, wooden acting and terrible storytelling to movies with actual thought and naunce.
Except Rogue One. That's just a war film; but a damn good one.
Cindi, remember when we talked about taking a break from the internet earlier?
I think some OT fans need to take a break.
People around the net have been losing their minds over silly shit. I can't take people serious when they try to argue the new trilogy is on par with "Jar Jar" and "MY LOVE FOR YOU IS A WATERFALL" or my favorite "LETS TALK POLITICS IN A FICTIONAL UNIVERSE FOR HOURS"
You are welcome to not like them by all means. But don't try to be disingenuous and seriously argue they are critically equal to the prequels.
I can say what I want. You haven't even asked why I personally think it's on par with the prequels. Because you don't care. Please go back to Reset or whatever hole you came from.
When you compare story beats to anything Jar Jar yes I tend to react negatively. Read the above then and respond why you feel that way?
Let's be real.spoiler (click to show/hide)Characters - Every character is a moron except Luke, Leia, and the Vice-Admiral. Even the Vice Admiral barely makes that list because she left the fleet like sitting ducks without so much as a description as to what their plan was. Poe is a fucking idiot and should be executed. That's been covered.Finn and Rose are also fucking idiots. Not only do they not complete their mission but they completely fuck it up and get caught for a pointless reason. Their entire side story was dreadful. The "love you" at the end between them wasn't earned. Before then, they just made jokes and went on some dumb ass overly adventure. Love tho? Really? Snoke is stupid. Rey is stupid. Ben is stupid. Almost every character here does something without thinking first. It doesn't feel like Star Wars. It feels like some Marvel movie in terms of characterization. Luke and BB-8 are literally the only competent fuckers around in this movie.
Themes - The theme of placing hopes and dreams on heroic sacrifice and hero worship could have made for a good movie. Except the film muddles its own ideas because 1. Luke saves the rebellion by acting as a hero to sacrifice himself for the Rebellion, and 2. so does the Vice Admiral. So its themes don't work. So what is it trying to say? Don't rely on legends, don't rely on heroes except...some of the time? This is bat fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. As it is, this makes the story completely incoherent. You could throw in the the theme about light and darkness and how all is one, but the movie doens't really go anywhere with it and it still plays with binary Star Wars, especially since Kylo stays with the First Order and is still very much a bad guy. I was hoping for a hint that the Force - the TRUE Force - blends light and dark together to complete a balanced whole or play with Rey's darkness, and it was just one giant cheeseburger cock tease. As it is, the themes are dog shit and feel rushed.
Story and pacing - I was so fucking bored. Almost every sequence is high thrills. Much like with TFA (which I give credit to for being the first in a trilogy) and Rogue One every scene just HAS to be some modern shitty chase scene or some fight. There's no sit down like in Empire where the Falcon is inside that alien's gut. Finn and Rose's part of the movie is terrible. Poe committing mutiny was distinguished mentally-challenged. Am I supposed to cheer for these characters? I feel absolutely nothing even as the rebellion dies ship by ship, one by one. Despite the high stakes nothing really seems to matter, and didn't matter because a hero would come at the end of the day. And the ending with the little kid looking at the Rebellion ring, gazing at the horizon like Luke did? That was so fucking cheesy and laughable.[close]
Summary: overly action-packed movie that barely understands Star Wars or its appeal with bad characters, little reason for emotional investment in any character (besides Luke). Poor pacing, poor writing, muddled themes, and just fucking boring despite the sheer number of blaster pews.
Rating: D+, another prequel tier Star Wars movie.
the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.
You've got to be kidding me here. :lol :rofl
No I am not.
I would respect the opinion of people who like the movie if they would reduce people's problems with it as something to do with expectations or we didn't get _____ out of it. I have said why I think it's shit and I'm tired of people assuming my motives or putting words in my mouth and saying shit about expectations which makes them sound distinguished mentally-challenged shills.
Which is what I said.
You didn't like it; not it was an objectively bad movie. IF you think that then why? Rose and Finn were there to show reasons to fight a war beyond Finn's initial hate and anger. It was also there for the overarching theme of failure and growing from it.
Jar Jar was there for bad comic relief and racism.
That is clearly a typo you dumbass.
Ok, still explain why you feel that way?
I mean continuing to cry and call me names kinda plays into the whole angry fan shit I was talking about.
Cindi, remember when we talked about taking a break from the internet earlier?
I think some OT fans need to take a break.
People around the net have been losing their minds over silly shit. I can't take people serious when they try to argue the new trilogy is on par with "Jar Jar" and "MY LOVE FOR YOU IS A WATERFALL" or my favorite "LETS TALK POLITICS IN A FICTIONAL UNIVERSE FOR HOURS"
You are welcome to not like them by all means. But don't try to be disingenuous and seriously argue they are critically equal to the prequels.
I can say what I want. You haven't even asked why I personally think it's on par with the prequels. Because you don't care. Please go back to Reset or whatever hole you came from.
Did you get banned from RE again or something
I think we can all agreespoiler (click to show/hide)the vacuum of space Leia was cringey as fuck[close]
It was like Mary Poppins in space.
I think we can all agreespoiler (click to show/hide)the vacuum of space Leia was cringey as fuck[close]
It was like Mary Poppins in space.
They should have done rewrites to just make that her final scene. It actually would have been better.
There really wasn’t anything that happpened after that she absolutely had to do.
So, one important unanswered question:spoiler (click to show/hide)Did Luke die a virgin?[close]
They have a Star Wars movie every year the next four years. :beli George was a slut for merchandising but not the way Disney is. I'm not sure how that's debatable.You're getting a new Star Wars movie every year for the rest of your life. Not looking forward to all of them myself.
Can someone please explain what nuance there was in The Last Jedi?We talking novel or film trilogy based on the short novel? I really don't understand how the film is so devisive. Dude was given free reign to play in the star wars universe and I thought he did a great job.
Was is the ha fisted way they injected cute animals in with the sole intent of selling toys for Xmas?
Movie sucked. Almost fell asleep twice. Only other time that happened was during The Hobbit.
So quality wise, TLJ = The Hobbit.
the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.
You've got to be kidding me here. :lol :rofl
No I am not.
I would respect the opinion of people who like the movie if they would reduce people's problems with it as something to do with expectations or we didn't get _____ out of it. I have said why I think it's shit and I'm tired of people assuming my motives or putting words in my mouth and saying shit about expectations which makes them sound distinguished mentally-challenged shills.
Which is what I said.
You didn't like it; not it was an objectively bad movie. IF you think that then why? Rose and Finn were there to show reasons to fight a war beyond Finn's initial hate and anger. It was also there for the overarching theme of failure and growing from it.
Jar Jar was there for bad comic relief and racism.
That is clearly a typo you dumbass.
Ok, still explain why you feel that way?
I mean continuing to cry and call me names kinda plays into the whole angry fan shit I was talking about.
The way you're posting about it, feels like you're egging me on and the tone just rubs me the wrong way. Some self congratulatory asshole way that makes me want to punch you.
Played with the Star Wars universe how? The ending is the same as when we started except no Luke and no Snoke.
"When I read 8, I told Rian [Johnson, the writer-director], 'I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything you've decided about my character'," Hamill said during an ABC interview.
I saw it again this morning and liked it a whole lot more. Upgrading my rating to an 8/10.
It makes no sense that using cruisers as hyperspace tactical nukes isn't like the dominant military tactic though. It was an amazing visual, but I'm not sure it was thought through enough.
It just seems like they are writing these movies with absolutely no over arching story. I know that's what happened in the OT (Vader wasn't Luke's dad and was retconned, Leia wasnt Luke's sister and was retconned, etc). But it just seems like you shouldn't expect anything to carry over to the next movie now. Whats to stop JJ from just saying fuck it and killing of Kylo or saying no really Luke was Reys dad. I feel like they are making these blind. Like Luke (tlj spoiler)OT Luke wouldn't do that.spoiler (click to show/hide)was going to kill a sleeping Kylo?[close]
Maybe TLJ writers/director were fans of Obsidian Entertainment, but don't have the talent to make the shades o' grey actually work.
And also Mark Hamill not agreeing with what Luke does in Episode 8 kind of bias me, where I won't like it ever anyways.
I just have this feeling that TLJ directed by Abrams would have been different, in that Snoke would have been someone, Reys parents would have been someone, Luke would have been different, so its like we had the rug pulled out by a new director that wanted to do his own thing so he invalidates everything in the first movie in the trilogy, and now we have to hope somehow it wraps up coherently in ep 9.
This will only make sense if you have seen Twin Peaks but its like in Twin Peaks season 2 finale David Lynch came back and said "Windham Earle? Annie? Nadine has amnesia? No Laura Palmer?" Nah fuck that shit, and wiped it all out. Except its not a homerun, its the 2nd movie in a trilogy and we are given super nadine, a james story arc, and a lara flynn boyle throws a hissy fit so lets make up shit for her to do, to look forward to in episode 9.
JJ gets Star Wars. Rian doesn't.
That said, I have no problem with Rey being no one. Anakin was no one as well initially.
JJ gets Star Wars. Rian doesn't.
That said, I have no problem with Rey being no one. Anakin was no one as well initially.
I 100% believe that is just for Disney to be able to make Star Wars movies from now till the end of time with force users popping up as marketing studies and merchandising forecasts allow. Not that Lucas was a saint in that regard, but Disney is just on another level.
And also Mark Hamill not agreeing with what Luke does in Episode 8 kind of bias me, where I won't like it ever anyways.
I just have this feeling that TLJ directed by Abrams would have been different, in that Snoke would have been someone, Reys parents would have been someone, Luke would have been different, so its like we had the rug pulled out by a new director that wanted to do his own thing so he invalidates everything in the first movie in the trilogy, and now we have to hope somehow it wraps up coherently in ep 9.
This will only make sense if you have seen Twin Peaks but its like in Twin Peaks season 2 finale David Lynch came back and said "Windham Earle? Annie? Nadine has amnesia? No Laura Palmer?" Nah fuck that shit, and wiped it all out. Except its not a homerun, its the 2nd movie in a trilogy and we are given super nadine, a james story arc, and a lara flynn boyle throws a hissy fit so lets make up shit for her to do, to look forward to in episode 9.
JJ gets Star Wars. Rian doesn't.
That said, I have no problem with Rey being no one. Anakin was no one as well initially.
I don't get this. What does JJ get so right that Rian gets wrong? I'm pretty sure JJ was on a short leash (deservedly so) to course correct the franchise. The first sequel was a success so Rian got to do what he wanted.And also Mark Hamill not agreeing with what Luke does in Episode 8 kind of bias me, where I won't like it ever anyways.
I just have this feeling that TLJ directed by Abrams would have been different, in that Snoke would have been someone, Reys parents would have been someone, Luke would have been different, so its like we had the rug pulled out by a new director that wanted to do his own thing so he invalidates everything in the first movie in the trilogy, and now we have to hope somehow it wraps up coherently in ep 9.
This will only make sense if you have seen Twin Peaks but its like in Twin Peaks season 2 finale David Lynch came back and said "Windham Earle? Annie? Nadine has amnesia? No Laura Palmer?" Nah fuck that shit, and wiped it all out. Except its not a homerun, its the 2nd movie in a trilogy and we are given super nadine, a james story arc, and a lara flynn boyle throws a hissy fit so lets make up shit for her to do, to look forward to in episode 9.
JJ gets Star Wars. Rian doesn't.
That said, I have no problem with Rey being no one. Anakin was no one as well initially.
Why do you think they gave Rian a new trilogy? The writing is all on the wall. I was excited for that but now I kinda don't care.
This shit has been out for like three days and still no Half in the Bag? I've dealt with MONTHS of having star wars shit shoved in my face and they had a faster turnover for fuckin' Thor or whatever :maf :maf :mafThey posted on Twitter that their tickets got fucked up ordering through Fandango some how. They didn't get in opening night. They also said they weren't reviewing it but lol.
I think you’re cray cray for putting R1 ahead of TLJ. For all it’s faults, at least TLJ is a competently made movie. The first half hour of R1 is as narratively coherent as most surreal films.
Embarrassing movie. That movie was so bad I don't want to see any future Star Wars spin off movies. But TLJ was so bad I don't even give a fuck about Ep 9. So :yeshrug
Embarrassing movie. That movie was so bad I don't want to see any future Star Wars spin off movies. But TLJ was so bad I don't even give a fuck about Ep 9. So :yeshrug
Eh, at least JJ is doing 9. Even if it’s by the book, he at least seems to get the new characters and Star Wars in general.
Embarrassing movie. That movie was so bad I don't want to see any future Star Wars spin off movies. But TLJ was so bad I don't even give a fuck about Ep 9. So :yeshrug
Eh, at least JJ is doing 9. Even if it’s by the book, he at least seems to get the new characters and Star Wars in general.
Yeah but those of us wanting epic Luke, the punchbowl has already been shit in, and the party's over. This movie is really making me angry for some reason lol. Twin Peaks 2017 just sapped all my chill, and I just want to rage butthurt at not getting my Luke fanfic sendoff moment now.
ESB > ROTJ > TFA > ANH (good Star Wars movies end here) > ROTS > R1 > TLJ > TPM > AOTC
And yeah, TFA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TLJ
Embarrassing movie. That movie was so bad I don't want to see any future Star Wars spin off movies. But TLJ was so bad I don't even give a fuck about Ep 9. So :yeshrug
Eh, at least JJ is doing 9. Even if it’s by the book, he at least seems to get the new characters and Star Wars in general.
Yeah but those of us wanting epic Luke, the punchbowl has already been shit in, and the party's over. This movie is really making me angry for some reason lol. Twin Peaks 2017 just sapped all my chill, and I just want to rage butthurt at not getting my Luke fanfic sendoff moment now.
Rogue One was a stinker by stink man Gareth Edwards.
I really respected you once. Coachella 2014 was fun as hell. This shit though?
JJ gets Star Wars. Rian doesn't.
That said, I have no problem with Rey being no one. Anakin was no one as well initially.
I 100% believe that is just for Disney to be able to make Star Wars movies from now till the end of time with force users popping up as marketing studies and merchandising forecasts allow. Not that Lucas was a saint in that regard, but Disney is just on another level.
Besides Luke's death, best scene in the movie.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7keqpx/full_conversation_between_luke_and/
Man, imagine if Trevorrow still had to write and direct a follow-up to this? He probably resigned rather than the assumption he got fired. He’d have to have real human thoughts to bring the situation as-is to a close.
Man, imagine if Trevorrow still had to write and direct a follow-up to this? He probably resigned rather than the assumption he got fired. He’d have to have real human thoughts to bring the situation as-is to a close.
Lol what? Like the real human feelings of 'dumb as shit' possessed by every character in Jurassic World?
Besides Luke's death, best scene in the movie.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7keqpx/full_conversation_between_luke_and/
Well at least it looked pretty :lol
Can't they just make a movie where dudes with cool laser melee weapons fight for 2 hours
I think we had already seen TFA twice by this point two years ago, but I'm sort of afraid of seeing TLJ again because I think I'd think even less of it than I already do (the RotJ of a lesser trilogy).
Being dragged into seeing R1 twice murdered any positive thoughts I had on it.
Well at least it looked pretty :lol
Can't they just make a movie where dudes with cool laser melee weapons fight for 2 hours
I think there's two different camps of star wars fans. People who want cool lightsaber fights and x-wing action sequences, and people who want a character driven sci-fi talky drama. TFA was more the former, TLJ is more the latter. But obviously there's a middle ground somewhere. I mean TLJ has some cool lightsaber fights and opens with a giant space battle (sorta).
What did they walk back on?spoiler (click to show/hide)-Burn the Jedi texts and claim that good/evil/force exists beyond the Jedi/Resistance. Rey becomes "The Last Jedi" at the last second and the Resistance is reborn.
- Rey tries to convince Luke that "raw strength" with the force can be more than just evil. This isn't ever brought up again.
- Leia "dies" only to be brought back minutes later and completely make Poe's drawn-out story worthless.
-Overstay on Finn/Rose as they have to deal with profiteers and people who play both sides, it amounts to nothing.[close]
Well at least it looked pretty :lol
Can't they just make a movie where dudes with cool laser melee weapons fight for 2 hours
I think there's two different camps of star wars fans. People who want cool lightsaber fights and x-wing action sequences, and people who want a character driven sci-fi talky drama. TFA was more the former, TLJ is more the latter. But obviously there's a middle ground somewhere. I mean TLJ has some cool lightsaber fights and opens with a giant space battle (sorta).
ESB is my favorite and it has all of what you described? So...?
This movie felt like a poor attempt at creating Joss Whedon's Star Wars.
It was so tonally different from every other Star Wars movie that it felt completely off.
Well at least it looked pretty :lol
Can't they just make a movie where dudes with cool laser melee weapons fight for 2 hours
I think there's two different camps of star wars fans. People who want cool lightsaber fights and x-wing action sequences, and people who want a character driven sci-fi talky drama. TFA was more the former, TLJ is more the latter. But obviously there's a middle ground somewhere. I mean TLJ has some cool lightsaber fights and opens with a giant space battle (sorta).
ESB is my favorite and it has all of what you described? So...?
Well duh, that’s why ESB is the best!This movie felt like a poor attempt at creating Joss Whedon's Star Wars.
It was so tonally different from every other Star Wars movie that it felt completely off.
C’mon that’s ridiculous. Whedon movies are silly whimsical with a bit of edge, TLJ is nothing like a whedon work. If you want to say TLJ is a poor man’s anything, than it’s a poor man’s attempt at ESB.
Also it’s not tonally different from all the SW films. ESB is similar. Rogue One as well if that counts.
It felt way more like Whedon than ESB. That whole shit at the beginning with Poe trolling Hux was Whedon 101.
I thought Benicio's character could have been better. Lots of potential that goes nowhere. I fully expected him to double cross the First Order and be the one inside the AT ST and join them.
I'm getting so freaking antsy for Half in the Bag.
I just don’t know what you can do with it that’s all that interesting regardless of the writer.
I have a feeling it’s going to double down on the kids / new hope / new characters business and just :shaq2
2. If a cruiser can lightspeed suicide attack a bigger ship and cut it in half, why haven't they been doing this for years? Death star? No problem, let's just lightspeed a few ships through its core! Like that seems broken overpowered for the star wars universe as there doesn't seem any defense against it.
Really liked it, don’t know what y’all wanted from it
Really liked it, don’t know what y’all wanted from it
I think Adam Driver does a great job in this movie too.I've seen Adam Driver in a bunch of stuff now, before i'd usually usually go in skeptical of his involvement, but he's completely won me over as an actor and i look for his films now. Silence sealed it for me
One of the things I really liked was bringing back the mysticism of The Force in a big way, Luke even referred to it as a "religion"! None of that midichlorian nonsense anymore. :rejoice
One of the things I really liked was bringing back the mysticism of The Force in a big way, Luke even referred to it as a "religion"! None of that midichlorian nonsense anymore. :rejoice
'Tis ranking time:spoiler (click to show/hide)5 > 4 > 6 > 8 > 7 > R1 > 3 > 1 >>> 2
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Ummm, not sure why all the hate for the movie. I liked it way better than Force Awakens. At the very least it surprised me more and left me with more to think about rather than just "ok, this is just a retread of every Star Wars trope from the past 30 years." Although certain things you could see coming from a mile away. It did bend over backwards trying to subvert certain expectations, I liked how Rey's parents were ordinary people and not Han and Leia or Luke like everyone thought.
I think Adam Driver does a great job in this movie too.I've seen Adam Driver in a bunch of stuff now, before i'd usually usually go in skeptical of his involvement, but he's completely won me over as an actor and i look for his films now. Silence sealed it for me
Ummm, not sure why all the hate for the movie. I liked it way better than Force Awakens. At the very least it surprised me more and left me with more to think about rather than just "ok, this is just a retread of every Star Wars trope from the past 30 years." Although certain things you could see coming from a mile away. It did bend over backwards trying to subvert certain expectations, I liked how Rey's parents were ordinary people and not Han and Leia or Luke like everyone thought.
This was the dumb mystery box of TFA mostly because people wouldn't shut the fuck up about it but it doesn't really affect my enjoyment of the film in the least.
I've seen a lot of people say Snoke was a JJ mystery box too, which doesn't really make any more sense than saying Palpatine is a mystery box in ANH / Empire. There's some interesting Sith-y stuff they could've done to fuck with Kylo post throne room standoff but as it was Snoke just has a dumb look on his CGI monster face and falls over. Waste of time.
The Force Awakens is an objectively better made movie. I like The Last Jedi better.
:yeshrug
The movie's got some problems, but the stuff that seems to have really upset people (throwing fan theories in the woodchipper) is a big part of what I actually liked in it.
The movie's got some problems, but the stuff that seems to have really upset people (throwing fan theories in the woodchipper) is a big part of what I actually liked in it.
I honestly thought they were hinting that the girl with the playboy was the actual cracker. Then when Del Toro was revealed I thought that it would be revealed that he actually WAS the cracker but lost the lapel in a gamble... but they didn't do that either. So it's weird that they just randomly found another dude who could do the thing they flew across the galaxy to do.
What was up with the master cracker twist? Benicia del Toro was great, but the other one seemed like a cool playboy type character.
JJ has built his entire early career on nothing but mystery boxes, so I don't know why people thought anything in TFA was ever intended to have a payoff/explanation.
"Who are Rey's parents? Where did Snoke come from?"
Y'all realize the dude responsible for Lost is making you ask these questions, right?
:hitler
See, I must have misunderstood that part. I took it as del Toro's character WAS the master cracker who lost all on his person to the dude wearing the red broach during a game of blackjack/some table game – including the broach/pin. Since he had nothing else on him, he must have tried to steal and was thus imprisoned.
Perhaps I'm wrong.
See, I must have misunderstood that part. I took it as del Toro's character WAS the master cracker who lost all on his person to the dude wearing the red broach during a game of blackjack/some table game – including the broach/pin. Since he had nothing else on him, he must have tried to steal and was thus imprisoned.
Perhaps I'm wrong.
I mean that might be the truth but they didn't really do much to imply it. It's not really a huge plot point so the fact that they didn't reveal it means to me that it isn't the case.
They did Finn a bit dirty honestly and his side of the story was underdeveloped. Finn is one of the most interesting characters. He's literally a former child slave that rebelled against his master. His confrontation with his slave master didn't have the weight it should have had. We'll see if they bring it back or if Phasma is truly gone for good.
JJ has built his entire early career on nothing but mystery boxes, so I don't know why people thought anything in TFA was ever intended to have a payoff/explanation.
"Who are Rey's parents? Where did Snoke come from?"
Y'all realize the dude responsible for Lost is making you ask these questions, right?
:hitler
We need to get to the bottom of this, cause it's canon that one of these dudes fucked Moz and I want to know which one.
Why did she need to stay on the ship again? Did she do anything that couldn't have been accomplished by a droid or auto pilot?
Why did she need to stay on the ship again? Did she do anything that couldn't have been accomplished by a droid or auto pilot?
This movie is basically a WW2 movie and is operating on the logic from 1940's tech. The entire conceit that the ships are juuuussst able to stay out in front only makes sense if you're talking about actual ships and not space ships.
Why did she need to stay on the ship again? Did she do anything that couldn't have been accomplished by a droid or auto pilot?
This movie is basically a WW2 movie and is operating on the logic from 1940's tech. The entire conceit that the ships are juuuussst able to stay out in front only makes sense if you're talking about actual ships and not space ships.
True. They also had trench warfare. But the part I pointed out is especially hard to buy when they constantly explicitly show droids piloting ships.
On another note, how did Luke die? Did he force seppuku himself?
I always thought that Yoda died of natural causes and Qui Gon and Obi Wan became force ghosts when they were struck down with a mortal blow. Wasn't sure if they could just will themselves into becoming a force ghost. Although that would make sense, since Vader hit air when he struck him, Obi Wan already vanished.
Why did she need to stay on the ship again? Did she do anything that couldn't have been accomplished by a droid or auto pilot?
The movie's got some problems, but the stuff that seems to have really upset people (throwing fan theories in the woodchipper) is a big part of what I actually liked in it.
The original trilogy just had the Emperor as some mega powerful sith dude and didn't explain how he'd brought about the downfall of the Republic, and I preferred it to the prequels which explained all that.
Why did she need to stay on the ship again? Did she do anything that couldn't have been accomplished by a droid or auto pilot?
Come the fuck on.
That was thirty years ago. You can suspend your belief with the Emperor. It doesn't really matter. He's the dude that seduced Anakin to the dark side. That's what matters. You can get some bits and pieces and that's fine. But these were the original films. There is no precedent because they were the first to do it.
So you've got the rebels win. Establish a new republic. Now you make a sequel. The stakes and expectations are now different. If you're making a fucking sequel you explain exactly how all this shit went down. Otherwise it's just a massive gap. You can convince yourself that "the emperor isn't developed too much either" and that's true, but Snoke came from the ether after the rebels won, managed to build such a crazy ass super weapon without anyone knowing. Where did he come from? How did the republic lose its power? These are viable questions given that it's a sequel. Instead, we get some stupid video game answer. Fucking Mega Man shit. DR WILEY IS BACK AND THE LOOSE AGAIN!!!:drudge bullshit and you're supposed to take it seriously as a viable answer because "you don't know anything about the emperor either!"
I think it's bad storytelling. You make a sequel to one of the most popular series of all time, you give every single detail as to what the fuck happened in the shortest manner possible.
It's like they took the politics criticism of the prequels to the absolute extreme and decided to under develop everything and expect you to go along with it.
Also it's funny. The people who defend the under developed character of Snoke as "it's the same as the emperor!" are the same people throwing rocks at people and saying we don't like TLJ or whatever because "it's not like the original trilogy."
The entire thing is a massive fucking cop out. And unlike the Emperor, who seduced Anakin to the dark side, it's revealed that it's fucking Luke who pushes Kylo to the dark side! Therefore, WHAT IN THE ENTIRE HELL IS THE POINT OF SNOKE???
The original trilogy just had the Emperor as some mega powerful sith dude and didn't explain how he'd brought about the downfall of the Republic, and I preferred it to the prequels which explained all that.
Calling it now: Cindy will be positive on this movie by the time 9 rolls out
Snoke should have had some kind of a context before being killed off. If they try to do it in 9, it'll be a lame attempt to contextualize him.
Doesn't make the movie bad.
You = worked up.
Me = just liked the movie, don’t care you didn’t
You seem out to prove the movie is objectively bad, that doesn’t mean everyone who disagrees with you thinks it’s objectively good.
I just haven't seen any compelling reason why people think it's objectively good.
That worked for the OT, way back when we didn’t know anything about this universe, but a Snoke with no backstory doesn’t fly now that all the details of the past 50 years of the Star Wars universe’s history have been filled in.
That worked for the OT, way back when we didn’t know anything about this universe, but a Snoke with no backstory doesn’t fly now that all the details of the past 50 years of the Star Wars universe’s history have been filled in.
Do you think it would have actually improved the movie to spend time on his biography? Unless the details of his rise to power would be relevant to the movie's story, might as well let the EU flesh it out in a graphic novel or whatever.
Why did she need to stay on the ship again? Did she do anything that couldn't have been accomplished by a droid or auto pilot?
That worked for the OT, way back when we didn’t know anything about this universe, but a Snoke with no backstory doesn’t fly now that all the details of the past 50 years of the Star Wars universe’s history have been filled in.
Do you think it would have actually improved the movie to spend time on his biography? Unless the details of his rise to power would be relevant to the movie's story, might as well let the EU flesh it out in a graphic novel or whatever.
THE STAR WARS
Until the recent GREAT REBELLION, the JEDI-BENDU were
the most feared warriors in the universe. For one hundred thousand
years, generations of JEDI perfected their art as the personal
bodyguards of the Emperor. They were the chief architects of the
invincible IMPERIAL SPACE FORCE, which expanded the EMPIRE
across the galaxy, from the celestial equator to the farthest
reaches of the GREAT RIFT.
Now these legendary warriors are all but extinct. One by one
they have been hunted down and destroyed as enemies of the
NEW EMPIRE by a ferocious and sinister rival warrior sect,
THE KNIGHTS OF SITH.
Whatever.
An extended cut? They should have cut the fat from the Finn storyline. The fact they thought that was more important than filling out details on Snoke and other characterization makes no sense. An extended cut would is the last thing the movie needs.
An extended cut? They should have cut the fat from the Finn storyline. The fact they thought that was more important than filling out details on Snoke and other characterization makes no sense. An extended cut would is the last thing the movie needs.
As much as I would want to learn about Snoke, at the end of the day how does his backstory add to the main arc with Rey and Kylo?
An extended cut? They should have cut the fat from the Finn storyline. The fact they thought that was more important than filling out details on Snoke and other characterization makes no sense. An extended cut would is the last thing the movie needs.
As much as I would want to learn about Snoke, at the end of the day how does his backstory add to the main arc with Rey and Kylo?
A dude that came out of nowhere with big force powers and somehow managed to become the leader of the remnants of the Empire deserves at least a little backstory. Yes, he comes across as a lame clone of the Emperor, but the fact that he existed in two of these movies mens I need something about his backstory. Also, Serkis did a great job with him.
Doesn't matter, TVC. These movies aren't really working towards reaching any sort of comprehensible end goal.
Kylo doesn't go on to fight for the FO. He becomes the leader of the FO. He kills Snoke because he takes the suggestions from Rey and the influences from Snoke and interprets them in a different way. In Rey's opinion you should learn from the past and bring elements from the past with you (she takes the Jedi books). Kylo wants to destroy the past and move on. Burn it all. Snoke is an element from his past, same as Luke. He destroys his past and assumes the leadership because he feels he can fix it. He thinks he and Rey are the same and they can fix it. Rey rejects this.
The interesting aspect - to me - is that Luke has similar views to Kylo, but again just a different interpretation of the same concept.
I guess my biggest problem with these new movies is the same problem I had with the prequels, in that I never feel like I'm watching a movie so much as I feel like I'm watching someone play a Star Wars video game.
Does Kylo not deliberately say "destroy the Jedi, the first order;etc all of it? And rule the galaxy together?"
So he back tracked. He's still a part of the first order when he deliberately said "fuck the first order"
You not enjoying it doesn't bother me.Oh just you wait for my masterplan to come to full fruition.
Jack, you're right, I completely misdated it by some years AND forgot that complete garbage that flooded out around both sides of Jedi that they didn't even let into the friggin EU. :lolQuoteThe reason the Thrawn Trilogy was/is so praised was not that it's brilliantly written, it's not significantly better than most licensed novels of the era
Come on, the other licensed novels of the era were like the Kevin J Anderson trilogy, The Courtship of Princess Leia, The Truce at Bakura, and other shitty books.
The Thrawn trilogy is like The Sound and the Fury next to that trash.
Does Kylo not deliberately say "destroy the Jedi, the first order;etc all of it? And rule the galaxy together?"
So he back tracked. He's still a part of the first order when he deliberately said "fuck the first order"
I don't recall if he specifically wanted to destroy the FO rather than take control. I recall the intention was the use the entire force of the FO to fix everything. He saw the power vacuum and wanted to use it. His killing of Snoke is meant to be viewed as a face-turn but then revealed to be more of a coup. He saw himself and Rey as being able to use the entire force of the FO for "good" or whatever he views as good.
Then Rey rejects him. He hedged him bets on it and it doesn't go the way he wanted.
Stuff like this - where a character contradicts themselves - is meant to inform the character. Kylo is insecure and his choices are based on his insecurities.
It could be a backtrack. But that is consistent with the character they have presented. He makes mistakes because he doesn't always think about what he's doing. His choice to kill Snoke wasn't some grand plan - he decided to do it right then and there. His choice to burn it all down and have Rey join him was something he came up with on the spot. But it didn't go that way and he wasn't secure enough to go along with the idea himself. So Rey rejects him and he is confronted by Hux, he backtracks and takes control of the FO.
I'm sure we'll see more about that in the next movie.
Look none of this matters because we know JJ's gonna fuck it up. :rejoice
I guess my biggest problem with these new movies is the same problem I had with the prequels, in that I never feel like I'm watching a movie so much as I feel like I'm watching someone play a Star Wars video game.
I guess my biggest problem with these new movies is the same problem I had with the prequels, in that I never feel like I'm watching a movie so much as I feel like I'm watching someone play a Star Wars video game.
I still maintain that the very last scene in the movie is the most important one, because it's got the kids playing with struggle looking action figures doing their own Star War.
And to me that's what all of these movies are- kids that loved Star War (Abrams, Edwards, Johnson, etc) growing up and getting to make their own Star War with real life people and Lucasfilm/Disney resources.
Which is still better than the prequels, somehow.
I guess my biggest problem with these new movies is the same problem I had with the prequels, in that I never feel like I'm watching a movie so much as I feel like I'm watching someone play a Star Wars video game.
I still maintain that the very last scene in the movie is the most important one, because it's got the kids playing with struggle looking action figures doing their own Star War.
And to me that's what all of these movies are- kids that loved Star War (Abrams, Edwards, Johnson, etc) growing up and getting to make their own Star War with real life people and Lucasfilm/Disney resources.
Which is still better than the prequels, somehow.
I think why it’s annoying in TLJ/TFA is because it’s a sequel. There was a presumed status quo where the rebels won after ROTJ. Clearly something happened where they didn’t really win. Snoke came from somewhere and the first Order rose to Power somehow. There just seems to be a big gap in the story.in TFA they have lines that suggest THE RESISTANCE is basically plausible deniability black ops for the New Republic, and then the Starkiller Base blasts the New Republic off the face of the galaxy, so they kinda have to become a legitimate RESISTANCE at that point since a trillion people and the entire central structure of the New Republic along with its economy/governance/fleets/etc. just got wiped out
On Ren, yeah I don’t think he was thinking things through with a coup or anything. He basically was presented a choice to kill Rey or kill Snokes. Through the connection talks he felt with Rey he’d found someone else like him, who could understand him and maybe there was some romantic feelings too, so when he’s presented with a hard choice who chooses her over Snokes and then tries to appeal to her and fails and then he’s like uh, fuck it I’ll run this ship now and burn it all down.
Considering all this was done in the moment, what he wants to do next once he has time to think may be interesting if they don’t screw up ep IX.
On Ren, yeah I don’t think he was thinking things through with a coup or anything. He basically was presented a choice to kill Rey or kill Snokes. Through the connection talks he felt with Rey he’d found someone else like him, who could understand him and maybe there was some romantic feelings too, so when he’s presented with a hard choice who chooses her over Snokes and then tries to appeal to her and fails and then he’s like uh, fuck it I’ll run this ship now and burn it all down.
Considering all this was done in the moment, what he wants to do next once he has time to think may be interesting if they don’t screw up ep IX.
A lot of dudes will betray their friends for some pussy.
That’s the moral of Star Wars really.
With the New Republic now the dominant force in the galaxy, it continuously stressed upholding the values of democracy throughout the stars. In spite of such, however, the New Republic was not without its critics, many of them being disgruntled sympathizers of the Old Imperial ways, some of whom were a part of the political structure. Once disagreements between the loyalists and Imperial sympathizers became too severe, the latter group would eventually secede, whereupon they would establish the First Order along with the former elements of the Imperial military that still inhabited the Unknown Regions. While some in the Galactic Senate applauded the notion, others realized that without New Republic supervision, the Order would return to the draconian ways of its predecessor.[8] Owing to it being descended from the Empire in ideology, the First Order, upon being formed within the Unknown Region alongside various former Imperial officers, technologists, nobles, and other pro-Imperial supporters, intended to reclaim their legacy.[6]
Disillusioned with the infighting in the Senate, Leia resigned as Senator and founded the Resistance to safeguard the Republic from all threats.[3]:trumps
Under Leia's leadership, the Resistance became a private military force that kept watch over the First Order's movements. Although she petitioned for assistance from the New Republic, the Senate was too self-absorbed to take much notice and its slow political process frustrated the former princess.
Some thirty years after the Emperor's defeat at Endor, in 34 ABY, a cold war developed between the growing First Order and the New Republic. Despite warnings from General Organa about the dangers of the First Order, the Senate, led by Chancellor Lanever Villecham focused more on improving trade relationships with the neutral Trans-Hydian Borderlands systems. Believing that the First Order was remaining within their assigned borders and following the tenants of the Galactic Concordance, the Senate and Chancellor Villecham saw little cause for alarm.[5] New Republic military officers like Major Lonno Deso generally regarded the First Order as an ill-equipped, ill-funded terrorist group that simply had a good propaganda arm, and even considered Organa and her allies scaremongering troublemakers trying to relive their glory days.[4]
In the hopes of convincing the Senate to her point of view, Organa sent Resistance Commander Korr Sella to as an envoy to make a case for action by the New Republic.[5] Determined to reveal its true power, the First Order, led by Supreme Leader Snoke, attacked the New Republic using its superweapon, the Starkiller Base, commanded by General Armitage Hux. It harnessed the sun's power and then destroyed the planets of the Hosnian system, including Hosnian Prime which at that time was serving as the Republic capital and hosting the Senate and the New Republic fleet. The Resistance in turn attacked Starkiller Base and was able to destroy it before it could be used against their headquarters on D'Qar.[22]
Despite the destruction of the First Order's most fearsome weapon, the loss of Hosnian Prime proved to be a dire blow to the New Republic. With its government decapitated, its main fleet wiped out, and the Resistance subsequently besieged and decimated, it was estimated that the New Republic's core systems would all fall to the First Order's forces within a matter of weeks.[7]
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Basically, the New Republic elected ObamaLook who's being all "edgy" with the Martin Peretz/Franklin Foer commentary.
Honestly tho, who gives a shit about Snoke? I'm glad they killed him off, he was boring. These new films have given us the most interesting, best developed villain in the SW universe in Kylo Ren as far as I'm concerned. More focus on an interesting, well developed villain with history and motivation and less on these Snidely Whiplash cornball motherfuckers, plz.
Honestly tho, who gives a shit about Snoke? I'm glad they killed him off, he was boring. These new films have given us the most interesting, best developed villain in the SW universe in Kylo Ren as far as I'm concerned. More focus on an interesting, well developed villain with history and motivation and less on these Snidely Whiplash cornball motherfuckers, plz.
Have Snoke praise Kylo or some shit for completing his training and let it fuck with Kylo from that point forward. Constantly paranoid that the next guy is gonna kill him.
I guess my biggest problem with these new movies is the same problem I had with the prequels, in that I never feel like I'm watching a movie so much as I feel like I'm watching someone play a Star Wars video game.
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All three should be for murdering the pacing and enjoyment of this movie.spoiler (click to show/hide)also what the fuck happened to the Knights of Ren?[close]
I suspect:spoiler (click to show/hide)They're totally the Royal Guards defending Snoke. :nintendo
But in reality, another dropped plot thread. Johnson positions the film as some sort of auteur 'subversion' to Star Wars canon and lore, but it really comes across as a rather bloated, internally inconsistent, and poorly-paced follow-up to TFA.[close]
I can't care this much about Star Wars to argue like you guys, I'm a trekkie and JJ already slayed me :'( .
I want to ask you all something though, when did 'subverting expectations' (not saying star wars does this or does this well, just seeing it come up a lot) become a positive attribute of a film sans context? Seems like a thing a director who targets their audience with bile would do. I understand it in the context where you target misogynists, racists and turn a sexist trope on it's head, but in the case of star wars where you're just fucking with your fans, why? If this was the internet you'd be called an edgelord and flamed lmao. What do you guys as the audience get out of it? Seems to only work for outsiders so they can mine salt and write polygon articles hating on fans.
I still think "subverting expectations" is more something people have attributed to TLJ than something TLJ really earns. That and meta narrative seem to be all the rage suddenly.
chewbacca should have at least 11 inches of wookie cock hanging out. disney playin it safe
spoiler (click to show/hide)The dark side cave having nothing to offer Rey is the lamest shit I could imagine for the obvious Degobah callback. I genuinely don't buy into Rey = Mary Sue complaints and think that her naivety and child like view of the Force, Jedi, etc is actually sort of fresh in TFA, but that scene absolutely murders the defense against Rey complaints.
She's just so pure that the Dark Side doesn't even tempt her? Fuck off. She can be better than Luke was here, but please make her work for it.[close]
Yeah like what the fuck was the point of it?spoiler (click to show/hide)She sees herself in the mirror? what in the fuck. It had absolutely nothing to say for being teased as this dark, fucked up place[close]
I loved it. There's definitely some issues but this was a fun Star Wars movie. I'm really curious WTF they were thinking with Benicio Del Toros character. He was so fucking bad.
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.
Because nerds got their feels hurt that the characters and story beats weren't exactly as they planned in their head and now they're doing a Simpson comic book guy impersonation.
There is some legit criticism but this movie can hang with the OT and Empire; I think it's even better.
I’m not sure I agree with your last point. I enjoyed this movie, but it feels far too much in debt to modern blockbusters. I guess I’ll have to see how it ages, especially after seeing the final episode.
My biggest issues...spoiler (click to show/hide)1. We’re never going to get an explanation on Snoke. To do it after his death would be anticlimactic. I did enjoy the “kill the big bad in the middle” bit, but now the mystery of who Snoke was is likely impossible to satisfactorily address. I’m sure there will be a shitty comic book.
2. Why would Poe let BB8 go with Finn and Rose on their secret mission when he knew there was a significant chance he might have to fly to defend the Resistance?
3. The Leia in space scene was terrible. We’ve never seen her use force powers before. What a cheesy time to show them. This also could have been easily written around. Worst scene in the movie.
4. Biggest sin: Why waste Laura Dern on this shitty role without any personality? She’s one of the best actresses on the planet.
5. The score is so recycled and so reverent to the original score that I can’t even tell what’s new music anymore. It’s a constant barrage of distinctly Star Wars-y brass, but at this point, it’s so rote. Please be more adventurous with the music.
6. A lot could have been chopped from that Finn and Rose plot. I’m not even sure why the Rose character was necessary to create. Probably a more pointless Rose than even that of MGS2. Hopefully she dies early in the next movie. She’s not even good looking. She’s fucking hideous.
7. Maybe a cheat, or insensitive, but they should’ve used the Leia fake out death to kill her. It’s going to feel shitty killing her offscreen immediately after she’s recovered from a life-threatening injury in the next movie.[close]
I personally agree about there not being a huge swell of subversion in here and it's mostly fans being fans, hence the disclaimer. I'm just baffled that people seem to see movie makers mocking their own fanbase as a positive, as that would seem to be the case for subversion here.I can't care this much about Star Wars to argue like you guys, I'm a trekkie and JJ already slayed me :'( .
I want to ask you all something though, when did 'subverting expectations' (not saying star wars does this or does this well, just seeing it come up a lot) become a positive attribute of a film sans context? Seems like a thing a director who targets their audience with bile would do. I understand it in the context where you target misogynists, racists and turn a sexist trope on it's head, but in the case of star wars where you're just fucking with your fans, why? If this was the internet you'd be called an edgelord and flamed lmao. What do you guys as the audience get out of it? Seems to only work for outsiders so they can mine salt and write polygon articles hating on fans.
I still think "subverting expectations" is more something people have attributed to TLJ than something TLJ really earns. That and meta narrative seem to be all the rage suddenly.
Can someone please explain what nuance there was in The Last Jedi?
Was is the ha fisted way they injected cute animals in with the sole intent of selling toys for Xmas?
Movie sucked. Almost fell asleep twice. Only other time that happened was during The Hobbit.
So quality wise, TLJ = The Hobbit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fLZUktDiloYou son of a bitch. :trigger
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Was I suppose to bust out laughing during Leias michael jordan scene?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fLZUktDilo
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I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people
Glad to see the guys share my opinion of "who cares about ep 9". Like, where can they go from ep 8? Who cares about any of these characters?
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people
https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-list-of-some-of-the-times-the-last-jedi-told-the-olde-1821396631This encapsulates why I love this movie so much. :aah
Lots of SPOILERS, obviously.
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people:foxx
https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-list-of-some-of-the-times-the-last-jedi-told-the-olde-1821396631
Lots of SPOILERS, obviously.
in a perfect world i'd live to witness star wars fans wait twenty five years for a sequel that amounts to absolutely nothing
is there still any hope for david lynch to direct a star war film, preferably episode ix, twenty five years later? if trump starting a nuclear war brings us closer to that reality than i'm all for it
https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-list-of-some-of-the-times-the-last-jedi-told-the-olde-1821396631
Lots of SPOILERS, obviously.
Lucas used to call them laser swords all the time, and it was really weird. I thought it was fitting that Luke called them the same.
I wouldn't take deadspin's view of anything as representative of real people.
I don't agree with Rich that there is no room in the SW universe for anything but rehash. That seems like a bitter jab rather than a reality. They could have had "Team Ken" and gone in that direction. The problem is those in charge don't seem ready to do world building or referencing the larger SW world. This is the curse of fan-fiction writing. Thinking you love something but not realizing its an established fictional world with reasons behind it, so everything you try to do in it is just playing dollies because you got no world building skillz.
in a perfect world i'd live to witness star wars fans wait twenty five years for a sequel that amounts to absolutely nothing
is there still any hope for david lynch to direct a star war film, preferably episode ix, twenty five years later? if trump starting a nuclear war brings us closer to that reality than i'm all for it
After Twin Peaks 2017 I was so done with my expectations being subverted I would have rather had Luke be space Jesus and Rey’s father and flinging At-ats around like rag dolls. David Lynch done broke me man.
George wasn't a lazy fucker
I wouldn't take deadspin's view of anything as representative of real people.
I don't agree with Rich that there is no room in the SW universe for anything but rehash. That seems like a bitter jab rather than a reality. They could have had "Team Ken" and gone in that direction. The problem is those in charge don't seem ready to do world building or referencing the larger SW world. This is the curse of fan-fiction writing. Thinking you love something but not realizing its an established fictional world with reasons behind it, so everything you try to do in it is just playing dollies because you got no world building skillz.
How isn't Star Wars limited? Same tech, same premise (rebels vs empire), its politics is minimal because it's mostly limited to the movie format and that kind of thing can ruin its pacing, it has to adhere to a specific number of qualifiers and rules to constitute as a pleasing Star Wars story such as adhering to the the pulp origins that inspired it (Flash Gordan). Even things like KOTOR games are like this. It's like taking self contained three movies and just squeezing till no more juice is left. In order for Star Wars to be considered Star Wars it has to have certain elements. Its world building is limited and so much needs to be assumed regarding how they live their lives. So in order to make up for that, you have to have AT AT's, AT ST's, X-Wings, Tie Fighters, Star Destroyers, lightsabers, and all this other crap to make it recognizably Star Wars. And you are distinctly limited to the kinds of stories you can tell. It's boring. What more could they possibly hope to get more out of Star Wars? What exactly is left to milk? Or left to say? And the things that want to be said likely can't be said because all of the above - Star Wars has fit specific qualifiers - since it's a part of a corporate machine.
Star Wars has been a trans-media juggernaut for decades. Disney only picked up where George and Co. left off. If George wasn't a lazy fucker we would seen plenty more Star Wars sequels.
in a perfect world i'd live to witness star wars fans wait twenty five years for a sequel that amounts to absolutely nothing
is there still any hope for david lynch to direct a star war film, preferably episode ix, twenty five years later? if trump starting a nuclear war brings us closer to that reality than i'm all for it
After Twin Peaks 2017 I was so done with my expectations being subverted I would have rather had Luke be space Jesus and Rey’s father and flinging At-ats around like rag dolls. David Lynch done broke me man.
TP was great until the last two episodes.
Star Wars has been a trans-media juggernaut for decades. Disney only picked up where George and Co. left off. If George wasn't a lazy fucker we would seen plenty more Star Wars sequels.
You are completely ignoring my point.
To argue that Star Wars of now has the same exposure it did when we had to wait three years for a new movie makes anyone who uses that argument sound delusional.
Any time someone makes a mention of the fact that they're going a bit overboard with the Star Wars shit, someone has to mention how it's been a media giant for decades. No fucking shit. But before Disney bought the rights, was there really hope for a sequel trilogy, three side films, AND a second sequel trilogy in the oven? Nah. So let's stop being fucking delusional, okay?
What exactly is the end game for Star Wars? Are we supposed to have Star Wars until we die? There was a period where Star Wars was just Star Wars. Three movies. What is the goal? To just keep feeding people Star Wars? If so, what's the point of any of it? It's not like Star Trek where it may have something valuable to say about society or some inherent message. Star Trek has a reason to exist: to show us a better future that we can strive for. So what's the reason for Star Wars to continue existing beyond money? I can't think of any.
Basically, when does Star Wars end?
Star Wars has been a trans-media juggernaut for decades. Disney only picked up where George and Co. left off. If George wasn't a lazy fucker we would seen plenty more Star Wars sequels.
You are completely ignoring my point.
To argue that Star Wars of now has the same exposure it did when we had to wait three years for a new movie makes anyone who uses that argument sound delusional.
Any time someone makes a mention of the fact that they're going a bit overboard with the Star Wars shit, someone has to mention how it's been a media giant for decades. No fucking shit. But before Disney bought the rights, was there really hope for a sequel trilogy, three side films, AND a second sequel trilogy in the oven? Nah. So let's stop being fucking delusional, okay?
What exactly is the end game for Star Wars? Are we supposed to have Star Wars until we die? There was a period where Star Wars was just Star Wars. Three movies. What is the goal? To just keep feeding people Star Wars? If so, what's the point of any of it? It's not like Star Trek where it may have something valuable to say about society or some inherent message. Star Trek has a reason to exist: to show us a better future that we can strive for. So what's the reason for Star Wars to continue existing beyond money? I can't think of any.
Basically, when does Star Wars end?
I'm sorry but what
I wouldn't take deadspin's view of anything as representative of real people.
I don't agree with Rich that there is no room in the SW universe for anything but rehash. That seems like a bitter jab rather than a reality. They could have had "Team Ken" and gone in that direction. The problem is those in charge don't seem ready to do world building or referencing the larger SW world. This is the curse of fan-fiction writing. Thinking you love something but not realizing its an established fictional world with reasons behind it, so everything you try to do in it is just playing dollies because you got no world building skillz.
How isn't Star Wars limited? Same tech, same premise (rebels vs empire), its politics is minimal because it's mostly limited to the movie format and that kind of thing can ruin its pacing, it has to adhere to a specific number of qualifiers and rules to constitute as a pleasing Star Wars story such as adhering to the the pulp origins that inspired it (Flash Gordan). Even things like KOTOR games are like this. It's like taking self contained three movies and just squeezing till no more juice is left. In order for Star Wars to be considered Star Wars it has to have certain elements. Its world building is limited and so much needs to be assumed regarding how they live their lives. So in order to make up for that, you have to have AT AT's, AT ST's, X-Wings, Tie Fighters, Star Destroyers, lightsabers, and all this other crap to make it recognizably Star Wars. And you are distinctly limited to the kinds of stories you can tell. It's boring. What more could they possibly hope to get more out of Star Wars? What exactly is left to milk? Or left to say? And the things that want to be said likely can't be said because all of the above - Star Wars has fit specific qualifiers - since it's a part of a corporate machine.
How isn't it limited? Seriously?
You will have Empire Tech. You will have Jedis. Yes, that is part of the deal, but it's not limiting. Lucas prequels added to the world. You had different ships. Stormtroopers appear as an invention in the second film. So, *gasp*, you can have inventions and move forward. You just know how to world build from within an established world.
There is nothing about that world that states you have to rehash the same plot over and over. Not the pulp origins. Not the Jedi. Nothing. The rehashing is a product of lack of creative courage.
It gets compared often, so I'll use it. Let's compare Star Wars to Gundam.
So, now that there have been two bad Star Wars movies in a row, do you think Disney will just cancel the franchise after the Han Solo movie is poorly received? Or do you think they’ll maybe try to save the franchise by rolling Star Wars into the Marvel universe?
So, now that there have been two bad Star Wars movies in a row, do you think Disney will just cancel the franchise after the Han Solo movie is poorly received? Or do you think they’ll maybe try to save the franchise by rolling Star Wars into the Marvel universe?
The Han Solo movie that has been in production hell? Oh I'm sure it'll be a great movie. Then you'll have JJ tie up loose ends horrifically and they'll have the last side film which also will be in production hell due to creative differences.
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people
There is a cult of opinion aura that has grown around their fandom as the last word in nerd circles which is a bit annoying but whatever. Sometimes I agree with them sometimes I don't. Like any critic. They are better when analyzing traditional nerd fare like Star Wars and Superhero films, etc. Less so when it expands out of those circles.
That seems odd since they frequently say they're just idiots in Wisconsin getting drunk and talking about dumb movies.
When it ceases to be profitable. I enjoyed watching VIII but Star Wars is going to get real shitty real fast.
Basically, when does Star Wars end?
I don't read any news on the new SW films or watch shows about them outside of the RLM episodes. (Which is more for humor than fandom.) I only watch the trailers and the films. Probably won't get burnt out.
However, if you follow the hype cycle then you are going to flame out.
I was a massive star wars fan, but you don't gain anything out of the hype cycle.
'Tis ranking time:spoiler (click to show/hide)5 > 4 > 6 > 8 > 7 > R1 > 3 > 1 >>> 2
:patelspoiler (click to show/hide)Hell, the more I think about Ep. 8 the more I think it's just as good as the Return of the Jedi.spoiler (click to show/hide)If not better. :doge[close][close][close]
Besides Luke's death, best scene in the movie.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7keqpx/full_conversation_between_luke_and/
Easily the best scene. Jolting compared to the stuff around it.
spoiler (click to show/hide)>"It's time to end the Jedi, the First Order, the Rebels, all of it."
Hux shows up
>still a part of the First Order
Very risk, much development[close]
I think most fans have a reasonable expectation that once Episode 9 is done and the spin off movie during that cycle are completed, that what comes after needs to be wholly new.
This late in, its probably unrealistic to expect them to suddenly start breaking with tradition.
Episode X whenever that lands needs to be a whole new kind of thing with new opportunities to do things different. I'm patient enough to wait for that to see if things really do change.
You = worked up.
Me = just liked the movie, don’t care you didn’t
You seem out to prove the movie is objectively bad, that doesn’t mean everyone who disagrees with you thinks it’s objectively good.
the beetles joke in that rlm killed me
Kylo doesn't go on to fight for the FO. He becomes the leader of the FO. He kills Snoke because he takes the suggestions from Rey and the influences from Snoke and interprets them in a different way. In Rey's opinion you should learn from the past and bring elements from the past with you (she takes the Jedi books). Kylo wants to destroy the past and move on. Burn it all. Snoke is an element from his past, same as Luke. He destroys his past and assumes the leadership because he feels he can fix it. He thinks he and Rey are the same and they can fix it. Rey rejects this.(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/187757_o.gif)
The interesting aspect - to me - is that Luke has similar views to Kylo, but again just a different interpretation of the same concept.
Episode 9? What the hell do they have left to show besides the upcoming love triangle?
naw the final episode of tp is peak lynch
everything before the final episode sans the stan brakhage episode was silly
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Lol you people are crazy. Whatever magic SW had George Lucas already defiled it with the trifecta of prequel turd burgers.
I would argue it was mostly defiled in ROTJ, which had everything terrible about the prequels for most of the movie, but bolstered by a few really great, iconic to the series scenes. Literally just watch Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes in that movie as everything else is trash.
No, Cindi, you're being a bombastic asshole in this thread since the movie came out for sure. You literally respond to every poster's opinion to tell they're wrong, even if it's something you agree with. And if someone posts "it was fine, whatever" that somehow sets you off even more than "loved it" or "hated it". You gotta chill, she breh.
Lol you people are crazy. Whatever magic SW had George Lucas already defiled it with the trifecta of prequel turd burgers.
I would argue it was mostly defiled in ROTJ, which had everything terrible about the prequels for most of the movie, but bolstered by a few really great, iconic to the series scenes. Literally just watch Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes in that movie as everything else is trash.
Hmm, I couldn't agree. The main criticisms seem to stem from everything relating to Ewoks. You neglect to mention Jabba's lair and sail barge, everything about which is classic through and through and the best space battle I've ever seen that still hasn't been topped decades later.
Chrono:
I figured her being reflected might mean she is another forced created being like Anakin. That said, she still shouldn't be able to fight like that with so little training.
I'm not sure I agree about the movies representation of the force. They movie definitely says that all life has the force and it doesn't belong to the light or the Jedi, but the problem is that the movie really doesn't represent that outside of Luke doing what he thinks is right and trying to get Kylo. Maybe Ben killing Snoke and all the guards, but I'm not convinced and we don't have a confirmation that action was done purely out of goodness. Rey herself still stays light and doesn't really do much in the way of dark actions. So I'm not seeing how the movie is gray.
Lol you people are crazy. Whatever magic SW had George Lucas already defiled it with the trifecta of prequel turd burgers.
I would argue it was mostly defiled in ROTJ, which had everything terrible about the prequels for most of the movie, but bolstered by a few really great, iconic to the series scenes. Literally just watch Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes in that movie as everything else is trash.
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people
There is a cult of opinion aura that has grown around their fandom as the last word in nerd circles which is a bit annoying but whatever. Sometimes I agree with them sometimes I don't. Like any critic. They are better when analyzing traditional nerd fare like Star Wars and Superhero films, etc. Less so when it expands out of those circles.
The movie has the Yin/Yang symbol as central, and the light/dark mosaic in the temple, but the point is that things can be more fuzzily defined than a binary dark/light choice. The implication is that these things feed into each other, that they are constantly in a struggle, and that's how it must be.
My problem is that they've aligned themselves with negativity. I mean, they got big through the very much deserved takedown of the Prequels, but takedown culture in and of itself is just tiresome, destructive, and fosters pessimism.
Sell me on TLJ's vision of the force, Chrono.I've already given that my best shot in my previous posts in this thread.
I have no idea what else there is to say about Star Wars.
Lol you people are crazy. Whatever magic SW had George Lucas already defiled it with the trifecta of prequel turd burgers.
I would argue it was mostly defiled in ROTJ, which had everything terrible about the prequels for most of the movie, but bolstered by a few really great, iconic to the series scenes. Literally just watch Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes in that movie as everything else is trash.
My problem is that they've aligned themselves with negativity. I mean, they got big through the very much deserved takedown of the Prequels, but takedown culture in and of itself is just tiresome, destructive, and fosters pessimism.
Lol you people are crazy. Whatever magic SW had George Lucas already defiled it with the trifecta of prequel turd burgers.
I would argue it was mostly defiled in ROTJ, which had everything terrible about the prequels for most of the movie, but bolstered by a few really great, iconic to the series scenes. Literally just watch Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes in that movie as everything else is trash.
I honestly think the only bad thing about ROTJ is Endor. And at least we got cool speeder bikes out or that.
I just don't consider it much of a nerd thing because it's so pop. I think it's weird how people find something that is worth 4 billion dollars or more is a "nerd property" but that's one of my many (many) criticisms of nerd "culture" and I won't get into it.
Lol you people are crazy. Whatever magic SW had George Lucas already defiled it with the trifecta of prequel turd burgers.
I would argue it was mostly defiled in ROTJ, which had everything terrible about the prequels for most of the movie, but bolstered by a few really great, iconic to the series scenes. Literally just watch Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes in that movie as everything else is trash.
I honestly think the only bad thing about ROTJ is Endor. And at least we got cool speeder bikes out or that.
I almost agree with you. The bad things are:
1. Endor
2. ANOTHER Death Star
3. Vader's tacked-on redemption
We've got all this bullshit piled up around the feet of Vader, but the man maimed, tortured, killed, and betrayed his way through 30 years of fascist warmongering. Luke saying, "I sense good in you" is not enough to make up for all of that. Throwing the Emperor down a hole does not erase his crimes. Luke making peace with himself over his horrible dad is a good message, but "just try, and you can be forgiven" is too much a Christian savior cop-out for me.
Lol you people are crazy. Whatever magic SW had George Lucas already defiled it with the trifecta of prequel turd burgers.
I would argue it was mostly defiled in ROTJ, which had everything terrible about the prequels for most of the movie, but bolstered by a few really great, iconic to the series scenes. Literally just watch Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes in that movie as everything else is trash.
I honestly think the only bad thing about ROTJ is Endor. And at least we got cool speeder bikes out or that.
I almost agree with you. The bad things are:
1. Endor
2. ANOTHER Death Star
3. Vader's tacked-on redemption
We've got all this bullshit piled up around the feet of Vader, but the man maimed, tortured, killed, and betrayed his way through 30 years of fascist warmongering. Luke saying, "I sense good in you" is not enough to make up for all of that. Throwing the Emperor down a hole does not erase his crimes. Luke making peace with himself over his horrible dad is a good message, but "just try, and you can be forgiven" is too much a Christian savior cop-out for me.
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm peopleWhite supremacy.
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm peopleWhite supremacy.
(http://i.imgur.com/Cm6fQmo.gif)I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm peopleWhite supremacy.
I've seen the movie 4 times now and I think I like it. I'm not really interested in writing up a big long essay because I'm not about that life:jeanluc
My problem is that they've aligned themselves with negativity. I mean, they got big through the very much deserved takedown of the Prequels, but takedown culture in and of itself is just tiresome, destructive, and fosters pessimism.
if i had the choice between banning either richard spencer types or youtube "film critics" from the platform, i'd go with the latter
For a second I thought that guy had a ponytail, and then I realized it was just something in the background. I was gearing up to son him so hardI again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm peopleWhite supremacy.
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http://www.slashfilm.com/reys-parents-rian-johnson/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/reys-parents-rian-johnson/)
Spoilers in the link, obviously.
I love Rian's explanation for this choice.
I can only hope Himuro brings even 1/10 of her critical thinking skills and failure to reconnect with what she liked earlier in life that she's brought to Star War to Shenmue 3.
Lulz so many nerds were mad about TLJ's audience score on RT that RT had to make a statement that they weren't hacked and the score is accurate. Officially the lowest ranking from audiences of the entire series.
http://www.slashfilm.com/reys-parents-rian-johnson/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/reys-parents-rian-johnson/)
Spoilers in the link, obviously.
I love Rian's explanation for this choice.
Wasn’t one of the biggest complaints last film with Rey being OP’d was that final fight? Which I thought they explained in this film pretty well.
Though to be honest, I am not some big follower of Star Wars and only saw TFA twice and TLJ once. So maybe my memory is foggy.
Here's how I see the force users (excluding darth plagueis because you cant rank a tale) we've seen
- Best Saber Dueler - Darth Maul
- Strongest (over 9000 midichlorians) in dbz power - Anakin Skywalker
- Best mastery of force - Palpatine/Yoda
- Most balanced between power and force mastery - Count Dooku
- Most studious and inventive - Qui Gon Jin
I dont really see obi wan as the best in any field, same with Luke. Tbh I still dont exactly understand what 'balance' he was supposed to bring that wasnt there before.
The answer is basically that she's randomly super powerful.
The way Poe and Finn are fucked over may be dumber though. Their life lesson is basically, "Don't be yourself, it's wrong. Don't try to solve problems. Let authority and love save you."
Let's be fair, Darth Maul won that duel he was just a complete moron being boastful or whatever. Also with Vader he had the higher ground, unassailable tactics :rollsafeHere's how I see the force users (excluding darth plagueis because you cant rank a tale) we've seen
- Best Saber Dueler - Darth Maul
- Strongest (over 9000 midichlorians) in dbz power - Anakin Skywalker
- Best mastery of force - Palpatine/Yoda
- Most balanced between power and force mastery - Count Dooku
- Most studious and inventive - Qui Gon Jin
I dont really see obi wan as the best in any field, same with Luke. Tbh I still dont exactly understand what 'balance' he was supposed to bring that wasnt there before.
Yet Obi-Wan beat two of those in duels (Maul and Anakin) and who knows if he could have beat Vader later in life as an old man, because he chose to become one with the force instead
It looked more to me as though Kylo takes out most of them, and Rey takes on one at a time, except for one instance where she has two on her, and Kylo saves her bacon.Wasn’t one of the biggest complaints last film with Rey being OP’d was that final fight? Which I thought they explained in this film pretty well.
Though to be honest, I am not some big follower of Star Wars and only saw TFA twice and TLJ once. So maybe my memory is foggy.
They still don't explain it well in this film. She was able to take on like 10 of Snoke's best dudes without any real Jedi training. Being strong in the force doesn't mean jack. Even Luke, who was apparently considered the most powerful Jedi of all time apparently? had his struggles and pitfalls in training.
^I think Anakin was still stronger pre and post black raincoat, Luke was just the one that brings 'balance'Anakin is the prophesied one who brings balance.
The balance of 2 siths versus unspecified unlimited Jedi numbers, the balance of wiping all Jedis save 2 that we know of or the balance of no Siths ?
Such rich lore.
I forgot: What was up with Benicio del Toro-guy :kobeyuck :nope
Rian forgot, too.
Maybe the plan was to follow up in Ep. IX? Failure may be the greatest teacher, but it seemed to be all-fail on all-plans, all-day in VIII…
I need to see this again, because the more I've thought about it, the more I think I may like it even moreso than TFA.
My ranking:
Empire > New Hope > Force Awakens > Last Jedi > Return of the Jedi > Revenge of the Sith > Phantom Menace > Attack of the Clones
Maybe it’s dangerous to worship our heroes to the point of idolatry, to convince ourselves that they can never do wrong, never make mistakes, and never let their hubris create monsters that threaten a new generation. Johnson sends Luke out on a high note, allowing him one more showdown with his former pupil in a fight that is pacifistic resistance at its most grand and extreme, but it’s the final gasp of the hero we once knew. Long live Luke Skywalker…but never forget that he erred. That he done fucked up.
Luke admitting onwas one of the best Star Wars moments.spoiler (click to show/hide)ganging up on Kyle[close]
I liked how their perspectives were different. From Kylo's perspective Luke had these "I MUST SLAY THIS MENACE NOW EYES" that were really scary. Luke in his version had normal eyes.Yeah, absolutely one of the high points in the film for me. I felt like it was a callback to Rashōmon, how things /are/ actually true "…from a certain perspective."
I liked how their perspectives were different. From Kylo's perspective Luke had these "I MUST SLAY THIS MENACE NOW" eyes that were really scary. Luke in his version had normal eyes.
I still haven’t seen RO, can’t bring myself to care about it
I still haven’t seen RO, can’t bring myself to care about itYou wouldn't miss anything too important if you didn't watch it.
I thought it was as bad as the prequels. Eel summarized why a few pages back: it feels like you're watching someone play a video game than watching a movie with a narrative. I feel similar regarding the prequels. It also has characters that are just tropes and the movie expects you to nod your head and just go with the minimal characterization. Just like the prequels.
The prequels are like an appendix that you curiously flip through but soon realize you could easily be watching paint dry instead
My fear is literally that "Star Wars" is a never ending Star War. Where as I just thought that name implied one particularly big event to kick off the franchise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwgTo be fair, most of those shots aren't even in the movie.
Great Teaser trailer though. I kinda had high hopes after seeing that.
Well, and you can tell me if I’m wrong here, but with The Last Jedi it felt like you were trying to push the idea of what a Star Wars movie could be a little bit further.
Johnson: That wasn’t a stated goal, pushing it forward or changing it or something. I just wanted to make a great Star Wars movie. The thing is I wanted to make a great movie also. That means creating drama with these characters, and that’s going to mean throwing tough stuff at them and taking it to new places. I wasn’t coming in thinking, “We gotta freshen this up! How do I evolve this?” That was the last thing on my mind. But I also came in trying to be unafraid of going to some places if that’s what the story ended up requiring.
Is the new trilogy something you could bring other writers or directors in for? I saw a quote from you the other day where you said you’d like to see more women and people of color directing Star Wars movies, is this an opportunity to do that?
Johnson: Hell yes. Yeah, I’m thinking about that, absolutely. I know I’m going to write and direct the first one, I know I’m going to come up with the story for the entire trilogy. Beyond that, I just don’t know yet. We’re still figuring out how this going to go. But all of those things you just listed are very much on my mind right now.
Do you have dream collaborators?
Johnson: I’ve got plenty. I don’t want to do a list of them right now because I have so many I would inevitably leave out some and then those would be the ones I would end up working with. I have so many folks I know would excel in this world. We’ll see.
So, tell me about the space battles. Were those maneuvers inspired by any real military battles?
Johnson: That’s a good question. Obviously the opening sequence was led by the notion of, I just read a lot about World War II bombing runs—how they worked and how these were big, unmaneuverable beasts that the more nimble fighters would have to protect and how the bombing runs worked. I also looked at a bunch World War II movies. So Twelve O’Clock High was a big reference for me. Just the way that whole sequence played out was very much from studying bombing runs. You can see little cues from other things. For example the ski-speeders at the end. I wanted them to feel very rickety and we kind of went with an open cockpit that was very reminiscent of World War I planes, old biplanes. I thought the notion of this older military technology coming up against the equivalent of a modern Apache helicopter would be really terrifying. Similar to the way [George] Lucas drew from the film The Dam Busters for the trench run for the Death Star, you always try to draw from any real-life source that you can for these things.
I gotta ask, then: Do the First Order or the Resistance have any real-world equivalents in your mind? Any real rebellions?
Johnson: I can’t think of any real-world equivalents that come to mind at all... [Laughs] No, I’m kidding. Take your pick! I think that less drawing from a specific rebellion or a specific situation, it was much more the archetype of a rebellion or the archetype of a resistance. For me that means they’re underdogs, they’re outnumbered, they’re outmatched. And, in this particular chapter, they’re on the run and desperately fighting for their survival. The notion that they should be dead by now but they’re being kept alive basically just by hope, and when that goes they’ll go. That was the foundation, more so than a specific case of rebels.
Right. I ask because I remember back in the day George Lucas compared Darth Vader to George W. Bush and Emperor Palpatine to Dick Cheney, so I was wondering who you think is Kylo Ren and who you think is Supreme Leader Snoke...
Johnson: Hahahaha! I love thinking about it, but I’d be more curious to hear everyone else’s answer. I have a feeling if I say my version of it then it’ll lead to nothing good.
I honestly kind of hope George Lucas does another trilogy called Celestial Battles with 3 great movies that knock it all out the park, infuriating both Disney and Star Wars fans for him making great non continuity/out of religion movies.
worked for Indiana Jones the first time
ftfyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHSPf6x1Fdo
ftfyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHSPf6x1Fdo
I remember when I had this internal image of Rogue One being some stone cold Villeneuve like take on the universe. That Vader scene I feel was a glimpse of what could have been. Its too bad everything has to be beholden to the "adventure" instead of just carving out a good story.
I thought it was as bad as the prequels. Eel summarized why a few pages back: it feels like you're watching someone play a video game than watching a movie with a narrative. I feel similar regarding the prequels. It also has characters that are just tropes and the movie expects you to nod your head and just go with the minimal characterization. Just like the prequels.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/22/last-jedi-daily-grosses-are-swiftly-collapsing-the-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/22/last-jedi-daily-grosses-are-swiftly-collapsing-the-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/Yep, figures.
What are the odds JJ Abrams just reverses course on a lot of this stuff? There are several things he could easily undo, even most of the deaths.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/22/last-jedi-daily-grosses-are-swiftly-collapsing-the-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/
I hope Rose dies in the first act.
I hope Benicio is in the next one. That’s kind of an enemy they set up.
I hope Benicio is in the next one. That’s kind of an enemy they set up.
JJ will give him a redemption arc where he was sending the First Order money home to build an orphanage full of gay AIDS porgs.
Well, seems like Rian Johnson didn't keep his own trilogy for long :doge (Even though the movie has problems, it would be sad if they interpret the "backlash" as "don't try new things with established characters again" - can't wait for Indiana Jones 5 being another rehash that ignores that Ford is 80).Did Kathleen Kennedy strike again? Bitch needs to go.
I hope Benicio is in the next one. That’s kind of an enemy they set up.Nah he will be a good guy. He's this trilogy's rogue
Well, seems like Rian Johnson didn't keep his own trilogy for long :doge (Even though the movie has problems, it would be sad if they interpret the "backlash" as "don't try new things with established characters again" - can't wait for Indiana Jones 5 being another rehash that ignores that Ford is 80).Did Kathleen Kennedy strike again? Bitch needs to go.
The Last Jedi is the rock-bottom, worst-holding movie of the entire 9-film franchise. Even Attack of the Clones looks like a champ in comparison.
In fact, The Last Jedi isn't even holding as well as Justice League did. On its sixth day the DC film retained 27 percent of its opening day audience, nearly double what the Star Wars picture has done.
I had assumed Rian sexually assaulted someone due to Spieler1's post. Thank God I can enjoy the penultimate episode of Breaking Bad without feeling guilty about it.Well, seems like Rian Johnson didn't keep his own trilogy for long :doge (Even though the movie has problems, it would be sad if they interpret the "backlash" as "don't try new things with established characters again" - can't wait for Indiana Jones 5 being another rehash that ignores that Ford is 80).Did Kathleen Kennedy strike again? Bitch needs to go.
Rain Johnson is still on the new trilogy, nothing has happened other than Forbes put out an article about how The Last Jedi is a huge bomb because it will only make $1.2 billion worldwide.
https://twitter.com/supbruss/status/943936512567234560
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/22/last-jedi-daily-grosses-are-swiftly-collapsing-the-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/
It's probably going to close out at about $650 million domestically. Dunno if I'm ready for a world where that's considered a bomb.
Empire Strikes Back and Attack of the Clones were also the lowest grossing in their respective trilogies. And A New Hope and The Phantom Menace were the highest grossing.
Before seeing the movie, did anyone else think the porgs were rabbit-like? I had only seen still pictures and always assumed those things poking out the side were big floppy ears going down their backs...
Only to see the movie and realize they're actually horrible god forsaken monstraities. Like horrifically burned, stubby penguins with their beaks melted off.
:lucas
Empire Strikes Back and Attack of the Clones were also the lowest grossing in their respective trilogies. And A New Hope and The Phantom Menace were the highest grossing.Not to take a shot at one of my two favorite Bore mods but*.... A New Hope and Phantom Menace both got multiple wide theatrical re-releases that are counted in their domestic totals. The only wide re-releases for ESB and ROTJ were the Special Edition, and for ATOC and ROTS haven't had any. (They both did the short IMAX tour with TPM.)
Rose is pretty hideous, so is Finn.Wow could have confused this for a TIMU post.
Not to take a shot at one of my two favorite Bore mods but*.... A New Hope and Phantom Menace both got multiple wide theatrical re-releases that are counted in their domestic totals.
Rose is pretty hideous, so is Finn.Wow could have confused this for a TIMU post.
It's hilarious that you continue to ignore the facts by once again presenting misleading numbers. Notice the paltry differences that are less than the budgets of the first three films combined. And then look at the trend in the current trilogy:
TFA: $937 million
TLJ: $323 million
EIX: $0
The franchise collapse is obvious and irreversible at this point.
Mark Hamill said it was shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK6BesOrfws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCvxX0keJ08
:rofl
This is wayyyyy too accurate for YouTuber bullshit. :lol
So, surprising no one at this point, apparently Disney thinks that the Han Solo movie is a total stinkburger that's gonna bomb big time. Would be pretty hilarious if they just outright cancelled it.
The fact that JJ and Rian Johnson are using Star Wars to play a game of cliffhanger/challenge between each other should tell you all you need to know about how they see star wars and how much you should care about it.
Uuh gundam zeta ???
The fact that JJ and Rian Johnson are using Star Wars to play a game of cliffhanger/challenge between each other should tell you all you need to know about how they see star wars and how much you should care about it.
tbh I was kind of shocked to find out that they didn't think about the story and cliffhangers beyond Ep7. I guess that's what JJ already did with Lost, though that wasn't exactly on the level of the SW IP given to him.
Well, I mean, JJ Abrams didn't make the film without a greenlight from Disney/Lucasfilm every step of the way... I guess what happened is that they had some deadlines to hit and no time to waste on writing two more films when they had that huge heavy production to get out of the door. Whatever comes next is contingent to what form that first end product took and how well it was received, all the more since we all know the shit has been & will be analysed and focus-tested to death down to the smallest detail. Literal billions of dollars are in the balance after all.
I understand we're talking about some general outline here, not even full fledge scripts, but I suspect it's proof that everything in the story is amenable to whatever has been determined to be the optimal film for profitability and sustaining the franchise as long as possible.
Besides it is obvious that Lucas kind of make up the Skywalker family tree, not a minor detail by any means, as he went along so...
The fact that JJ and Rian Johnson are using Star Wars to play a game of cliffhanger/challenge between each other should tell you all you need to know about how they see star wars and how much you should care about it.
tbh I was kind of shocked to find out that they didn't think about the story and cliffhangers beyond Ep7. I guess that's what JJ already did with Lost, though that wasn't exactly on the level of the SW IP given to him.
I too am surprised but in retrospect feel like I really shouldn’t be surprised and yet I am.
It’s kind of crazy that Jj was just dropping clues in TFA with no real story arc in mind. Because it’s a huge franchise and it’s borderline irresponsible to just make up each movie with no idea what’s going to happen in the next one.
But then again, he did exactly that for 6 years in Lost.
Also agree Han solo is going to suck. They should just cancel it.
Everything in Jedi seems mostly set up by Empire, though. I don't think you can say that Jedi made everything up as it went along. Not like what they're doing now. It seems with Empire they came up with a long term plan for the rest of the story but not so much with TLJ.
Also, it's easy to forgive the original trilogy because ANH was supposed to be a one off and not have a sequel. This new trilogy doesn't have that excuse. So it looks way worse imo.
The fact that JJ and Rian Johnson are using Star Wars to play a game of cliffhanger/challenge between each other should tell you all you need to know about how they see star wars and how much you should care about it.
tbh I was kind of shocked to find out that they didn't think about the story and cliffhangers beyond Ep7. I guess that's what JJ already did with Lost, though that wasn't exactly on the level of the SW IP given to him.
I too am surprised but in retrospect feel like I really shouldn’t be surprised and yet I am.
It’s kind of crazy that Jj was just dropping clues in TFA with no real story arc in mind. Because it’s a huge franchise and it’s borderline irresponsible to just make up each movie with no idea what’s going to happen in the next one.
But then again, he did exactly that for 6 years in Lost.
Also agree Han solo is going to suck. They should just cancel it.
So will ep IX expose JJ or has VIII already achieved that? :lol
The more time goes on the more I think JJ is partially to blame for VIII's problems as much as Rian's since JJ gave no blueprint for characters like Finn and Poe. In fact, I think you could easily blame JJ more. Considering what little Rian had, TLJ makes some sizable, incredible feats.
Basically, fuck JJ.
So will ep IX expose JJ or has VIII already achieved that? :lol
The more time goes on the more I think JJ is partially to blame for VIII's problems as much as Rian's since JJ gave no blueprint for characters like Finn and Poe. In fact, I think you could easily blame JJ more. Considering what little Rian had, TLJ makes some sizable, incredible feats.
Basically, fuck JJ.
Uh, don't misunderstand.
I like TFA way more. But that doesn't really excuse JJ not plotting an outline. :yeshrug
If JJ were a true auteur we'd get a graphic scene of Rey birthing the God Jedi born purely from the force like Anakin. I'm talking fury Jakku vag, split taint, screaming baby.overfiend flashbacks?
If JJ were a true auteur we'd get a graphic scene of Rey birthing the God Jedi born purely from the force like Anakin. I'm talking fury Jakku vag, split taint, screaming baby.overfiend flashbacks?
Let's have a laser sword coming out of a space floating leia's vagina as she space floats spread eagle towards the camera, + or - JJ Abrams face superimposed over the whole thing, i'll leave that up to the director.If JJ were a true auteur we'd get a graphic scene of Rey birthing the God Jedi born purely from the force like Anakin. I'm talking fury Jakku vag, split taint, screaming baby.overfiend flashbacks?
Star Wars would require a few death rape machines to save it at this point.
Uh, don't misunderstand.
I like TFA way more. But that doesn't really excuse JJ not plotting an outline. :yeshrug
This is still a nudge from your initial position. You’re letting the TLJ apologists influence you. The fact that you’re still involved in this discussion shows that you want to believe. Escape with your taste, Cindi.
Let's have a laser sword coming out of a space floating leia's vagina as she space floats spread eagle towards the camera, + or - JJ Abrams face superimposed over the whole thing, i'll leave that up to the director.If JJ were a true auteur we'd get a graphic scene of Rey birthing the God Jedi born purely from the force like Anakin. I'm talking fury Jakku vag, split taint, screaming baby.overfiend flashbacks?
Star Wars would require a few death rape machines to save it at this point.
I think you can probably have a good conversation in a few months or a year down the road about the movie but it seems impossible at the moment.
Oh come on Stoney. Everyone in this thread who has criticized this movie hasn't resorted to dumbass critiques like "Luke wouldn't do that" and I honestly find your making fun of criticisms of the humor to be highly reductive. It really did take me out of the movie.
Oh come on Stoney. Everyone in this thread who has criticized this movie hasn't resorted to dumbass critiques like "Luke wouldn't do that" and I honestly find your making fun of criticisms of the humor to be highly reductive. It really did take me out of the movie.
A.) I didn't say the people in this thread are the most guilty parties. Whenever I talk about people in general I'm almost never talking about just the bore. I'm talking about the general talk over the internet in general. Let's be honest. There isn't enough talk on the bore overall to make sweeping statement about anything. We are niche and for the most part none of us overly tend to polarize ourselves. It ain't cool.
B.) I think the criticisms about the humour are silly. Especially in this franchise which is laced with silly humour while a galactic civil war rages that slaughters millions. That's part of the charm of the franchise. It puts the silly next to a man in a dark mask who magically mind chokes people. Star Wars taking itself with too much gravitas is more of a problem to me than the other way around. But you are entitled to a different take.
Nothing else really matters, or happens. Finn has no real arc - he goes on a meaningless mission that does nothing but inadvertently get a ton of people killed, and he gets a revenge showdown with Phasma, who is barely a character. Poe has no real arc either - he leads a meaningless mutiny that also has zero bearing on the plot except to get a bunch of people killed, as above. Holdo is introduced and killed off in one movie. Rose exists so that Finn will have a companion on this meaningless mission that the writers cooked up to give him something to do.
Awww, I feel like you’re being hard on Finn, but I guess that’s really Rian’s fault. I still feel like people aren’t quite fully recognizing how terribly he was used in TLJ. He’s basically equal with Rey as the main character in TFA, and TLJ ruins everything. Rian takes away the impact of Rey kissing him by giving him a shitty new love interest that is one of the worst characters in the entire franchise. They give him a B plot. Pretty sure Rian must be racist.
Finn was my favorite part of TFA
Kylo Ren or Hux might as well be Jared. :lol
I liked Finn the most in TFA, too. Sucks to hear TLJ did him dirty.
Also where the fuck is Lando? Racist ass Disney not allowing black men to shine.
Billy Dee Williams was originally going to have the spot that ultimately went to Del Toro. For reasons that are obvious if you've seen the movie, Rian Johnson decided not to do this.
Kylo Ren or Hux might as well be Jared. :lol
You could get deep in the weeds looking for parallels of various levels of superficiality (e.g. Cantonica? I remember Anaheim Electronics too) but let's not forget the most important thing: a 2.5 hour mega-blockbuster is about a slow speed chase between capital ships no one cares about like every uninteresting episode of Zeta.
Maybe in IX the main premise will be the Millennium Falcon runs out of fuel so we get 3.5 hours of pure character dialog as they mine fuel off a comet. We get to watch the characters we know and love without hitting major plot developments uber fans will take exception to. Its a win win. Maybe have a scene were Poe is peeping on Rey and Rose scissoring it out and Rose gets sucked into Reys snatch like that weird ass sith hole in VIII oh wait now we in fanfic territory.
Billy Dee Williams was originally going to have the spot that ultimately went to Del Toro. For reasons that are obvious if you've seen the movie, Rian Johnson decided not to do this.
But you'd think they'd have something else for Lando to do instead of a straight up betrayal retread. I mean they wrote in that Rose chick seemingly out of nowhere when you could have Lando, I dunno, own the bar in TFA or something. Shit shouldn't be that hard.
You're really weird.ONE OF US! ONE OF US! GOOBLE GOBLES, GOOBLE GOBLES!
Maybe in IX the main premise will be the Millennium Falcon runs out of fuel so we get 3.5 hours of pure character dialog as they mine fuel off a comet. We get to watch the characters we know and love without hitting major plot developments uber fans will take exception to. Its a win win. Maybe have a scene were Poe is peeping on Rey and Rose scissoring it out and Rose gets sucked into Reys snatch like that weird ass sith hole in VIII oh wait now we in fanfic territory.
This sounds just like a TVC15 post.Maybe in IX the main premise will be the Millennium Falcon runs out of fuel so we get 3.5 hours of pure character dialog as they mine fuel off a comet. We get to watch the characters we know and love without hitting major plot developments uber fans will take exception to. Its a win win. Maybe have a scene were Poe is peeping on Rey and Rose scissoring it out and Rose gets sucked into Reys snatch like that weird ass sith hole in VIII oh wait now we in fanfic territory.
:gladbron
Make it a Godard fest with Breathless styled long shots of nothing but riveting idle conversation like,"can a Jedi stimulate a clitoris or prostate to feel like it's being licked by a thousand tongues using the Force while they fuck?" Finn will ask Rey that as they lay in bed, staring into each others eyes. It will be Oscar worthy. :rejoice
It will be the closest we will ever get to a Tarantino directed Star Wars and I demand it.
This sounds just like a TVC15 post.Maybe in IX the main premise will be the Millennium Falcon runs out of fuel so we get 3.5 hours of pure character dialog as they mine fuel off a comet. We get to watch the characters we know and love without hitting major plot developments uber fans will take exception to. Its a win win. Maybe have a scene were Poe is peeping on Rey and Rose scissoring it out and Rose gets sucked into Reys snatch like that weird ass sith hole in VIII oh wait now we in fanfic territory.
:gladbron
Make it a Godard fest with Breathless styled long shots of nothing but riveting idle conversation like,"can a Jedi stimulate a clitoris or prostate to feel like it's being licked by a thousand tongues using the Force while they fuck?" Finn will ask Rey that as they lay in bed, staring into each others eyes. It will be Oscar worthy. :rejoice
It will be the closest we will ever get to a Tarantino directed Star Wars and I demand it.
Rose is pretty hideous, so is Finn.
I’ll make one comment on the humor: if the movie didn’t open with that stupid Hux/Poe scene, the humor wouldn’t get nearly as many mentions. It stands out so badly that it taints the entire movie.
I’ll make one comment on the humor: if the movie didn’t open with that stupid Hux/Poe scene, the humor wouldn’t get nearly as many mentions. It stands out so badly that it taints the entire movie.
Pretty much this. Honestly I think the shoulder brush off is worse but it comes and goes so quickly in comparison that it gets more of a pass.
I'm not against humor in Star Wars. I'm all for it if it makes sense, like the Chewy trying to eat a roast porg thing. "Real world" humor like "droid please" from TFA or an elaborate several minute long your mom joke to open TLJ is not where the franchise needs to be IMO.
I’ll make one comment on the humor: if the movie didn’t open with that stupid Hux/Poe scene, the humor wouldn’t get nearly as many mentions. It stands out so badly that it taints the entire movie.
Pretty much this. Honestly I think the shoulder brush off is worse but it comes and goes so quickly in comparison that it gets more of a pass.
I'm not against humor in Star Wars. I'm all for it if it makes sense, like the Chewy trying to eat a roast porg thing. "Real world" humor like "droid please" from TFA or an elaborate several minute long your mom joke to open TLJ is not where the franchise needs to be IMO.
What about a green gnome beating the shit out of a droid for 2 mins straight?
I’ll make one comment on the humor: if the movie didn’t open with that stupid Hux/Poe scene, the humor wouldn’t get nearly as many mentions. It stands out so badly that it taints the entire movie.
Pretty much this. Honestly I think the shoulder brush off is worse but it comes and goes so quickly in comparison that it gets more of a pass.
I'm not against humor in Star Wars. I'm all for it if it makes sense, like the Chewy trying to eat a roast porg thing. "Real world" humor like "droid please" from TFA or an elaborate several minute long your mom joke to open TLJ is not where the franchise needs to be IMO.
What about a green gnome beating the shit out of a droid for 2 mins straight?
???
Yoda? You mean the same character that was acting senile and crazy on purpose to drive Luke on edge to test him in that martial arts master sort of way?
And I'm pretty sure it's not 2 minutes. Plus it was cute. He clearly said that comedy in Star Wars is fine. We are fine with something like that, and not okay with yo mama jokes. I don't see why it's hard to understand.
Chewy you should have eaten the Porg anyways. It was already dead! It died for nothing! How juicy was it?!
Chewy you should have eaten the Porg anyways. It was already dead! It died for nothing! How juicy was it?!
Haha, I feel like I’m nitpicking because I liked this scene, but the humor did strike me as a bit perverse since the porg was already dead. If the porgs wanted to make Chewie feel guilty, they should have focused on guilting him before he murdered and ripped the fur off their breh.
I’ll make one comment on the humor: if the movie didn’t open with that stupid Hux/Poe scene, the humor wouldn’t get nearly as many mentions. It stands out so badly that it taints the entire movie.
Pretty much this. Honestly I think the shoulder brush off is worse but it comes and goes so quickly in comparison that it gets more of a pass.
I'm not against humor in Star Wars. I'm all for it if it makes sense, like the Chewy trying to eat a roast porg thing. "Real world" humor like "droid please" from TFA or an elaborate several minute long your mom joke to open TLJ is not where the franchise needs to be IMO.
What about a green gnome beating the shit out of a droid for 2 mins straight?
???
Yoda? You mean the same character that was acting senile and crazy on purpose to drive Luke on edge to test him in that martial arts master sort of way?
And I'm pretty sure it's not 2 minutes. Plus it was cute. He clearly said that comedy in Star Wars is fine. We are fine with something like that, and not okay with yo mama jokes. I don't see why it's hard to understand.
Because just like yoda beating up R2 that scene fits Poe's character.
The first order wiped out most of the resistance though. I thought they did a good job of wiping out the rebel scum. And it's 2017 going on 2018. Please don't use the word distinguished mentally-challenged in your posts going in to the new year. Really triggers me.Chewy you should have eaten the Porg anyways. It was already dead! It died for nothing! How juicy was it?!
Haha, I feel like I’m nitpicking because I liked this scene, but the humor did strike me as a bit perverse since the porg was already dead. If the porgs wanted to make Chewie feel guilty, they should have focused on guilting him before he murdered and ripped the fur off their breh.
I liked that scene too. That's the stuff I like.I’ll make one comment on the humor: if the movie didn’t open with that stupid Hux/Poe scene, the humor wouldn’t get nearly as many mentions. It stands out so badly that it taints the entire movie.
Pretty much this. Honestly I think the shoulder brush off is worse but it comes and goes so quickly in comparison that it gets more of a pass.
I'm not against humor in Star Wars. I'm all for it if it makes sense, like the Chewy trying to eat a roast porg thing. "Real world" humor like "droid please" from TFA or an elaborate several minute long your mom joke to open TLJ is not where the franchise needs to be IMO.
What about a green gnome beating the shit out of a droid for 2 mins straight?
???
Yoda? You mean the same character that was acting senile and crazy on purpose to drive Luke on edge to test him in that martial arts master sort of way?
And I'm pretty sure it's not 2 minutes. Plus it was cute. He clearly said that comedy in Star Wars is fine. We are fine with something like that, and not okay with yo mama jokes. I don't see why it's hard to understand.
Because just like yoda beating up R2 that scene fits Poe's character.
Doesn't make it any less distinguished mentally-challenged and make the First Order feel any less incompetent.
(...)
TLJ was written before TFA was.
Because they have a story bible for the trilogy and the brand as a whole.(...)
TLJ was written before TFA was.
...what?
How would that be possible?
Because they have a story bible for the trilogy and the brand as a whole.(...)
TLJ was written before TFA was.
...what?
How would that be possible?
What, you think a company that brought you a constructed MCU is just winging all of this?
I think there should be a more valuable lesson for someone like Poe other than "Don't be yourself and just follow authority blindly."
I am not sure what Finn's lesson was.
I think there should be a more valuable lesson for someone like Poe other than "Don't be yourself and just follow authority blindly."
I am not sure what Finn's lesson was.
I think there should be a more valuable lesson for someone like Poe other than "Don't be yourself and just follow authority blindly."
I am not sure what Finn's lesson was.
I think Finn learned the Pence rule. Don’t hang around chicks unless you intend to bang them because they can’t control themselves and go crazy and fall in love and shit randomly.
Because they have a story bible for the trilogy and the brand as a whole.(...)
TLJ was written before TFA was.
...what?
How would that be possible?
What, you think a company that brought you a constructed MCU is just winging all of this?
3. Rose and Finn. I'll admit this one is the one that has the flaws; the scene could have been shortened and Finn did get shafted a bit however I don't think his character was destroyed or de-legitimized. The Casino arc was a bit of a mess but it played into the theme of failure. Yes DJ just being there was odd but his character did help to highlight some backstory on where the FO got it's money and weapons as did Canto Bight. As for Rose I do think she was the weakest character in the story but her offenses are hardly deal breaking. A single kiss is nothing compared to this
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No. No it is not.
3. Rose and Finn. I'll admit this one is the one that has the flaws; the scene could have been shortened and Finn did get shafted a bit however I don't think his character was destroyed or de-legitimized. The Casino arc was a bit of a mess but it played into the theme of failure. Yes DJ just being there was odd but his character did help to highlight some backstory on where the FO got it's money and weapons as did Canto Bight. As for Rose I do think she was the weakest character in the story but her offenses are hardly deal breaking. A single kiss is nothing compared to this
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(https://media.giphy.com/media/in2QzzFAYnia4/giphy.gif)
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No. No it is not.
On a separate note, why does this movies defenders keep bringing up prequel trilogy to prove their points. They just make it seem even more prequel tier.
Lol hunter your a tard pls continue
keep letting hunter troll you friends
Hunter had hope but he's proving to be another GAF-tier fanboy.
3. Rose and Finn. I'll admit this one is the one that has the flaws; the scene could have been shortened and Finn did get shafted a bit however I don't think his character was destroyed or de-legitimized. The Casino arc was a bit of a mess but it played into the theme of failure. Yes DJ just being there was odd but his character did help to highlight some backstory on where the FO got it's money and weapons as did Canto Bight. As for Rose I do think she was the weakest character in the story but her offenses are hardly deal breaking. A single kiss is nothing compared to this
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6d/82/da/6d82da92a4898fedf220a23ddd761f71.gif)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/in2QzzFAYnia4/giphy.gif)
(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/32700000/Anakin-padme-anakin-and-padme-32738282-500-213.gif)
No. No it is not.
On a separate note, why does this movies defenders keep bringing up prequel trilogy to prove their points. They just make it seem even more prequel tier.
To expound and build a case:
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7mzmtf/disney_is_ruining_star_wars_with_its_forced_humour/
Here's an example of what you're doing. Read the comments. That's what you sound like.
Almost every defender of this movie defends it in such a comical, fanboyish manner to the point where they assume all of who don't like don't because we're comic book boy-ing out about "character assassination" more than our actual legitimate criticisms. Then when they do target one of our arguments, such as the forced comedy, they pull like the shit Hunter or this dork at reddit did.
Comically embarrassing.
Yeah but why are you making shit up about TLJ being written before TFA
Yeah but why are you making shit up about TLJ being written before TFA
3. Rose and Finn. I'll admit this one is the one that has the flaws; the scene could have been shortened and Finn did get shafted a bit however I don't think his character was destroyed or de-legitimized. The Casino arc was a bit of a mess but it played into the theme of failure. Yes DJ just being there was odd but his character did help to highlight some backstory on where the FO got it's money and weapons as did Canto Bight. As for Rose I do think she was the weakest character in the story but her offenses are hardly deal breaking. A single kiss is nothing compared to this
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6d/82/da/6d82da92a4898fedf220a23ddd761f71.gif)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/in2QzzFAYnia4/giphy.gif)
(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/32700000/Anakin-padme-anakin-and-padme-32738282-500-213.gif)
No. No it is not.
On a separate note, why does this movies defenders keep bringing up prequel trilogy to prove their points. They just make it seem even more prequel tier.
To expound and build a case:
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7mzmtf/disney_is_ruining_star_wars_with_its_forced_humour/
Here's an example of what you're doing. Read the comments. That's what you sound like.
Almost every defender of this movie defends it in such a comical, fanboyish manner to the point where they assume all of who don't like don't because we're comic book boy-ing out about "character assassination" more than our actual legitimate criticisms. Then when they do target one of our arguments, such as the forced comedy, they pull like the shit Hunter or this dork at reddit did.
Comically embarrassing.
Emotional? :heh
Emotional? :heh
Yeah but why are you making shit up about TLJ being written before TFA
https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-Continue-Long-Episode-IX-According-Disney-108587.html
They had planned the first 5 movies out in advance. Each to varying degrees; I'll try and find an article that talks about the story treatments.
What the story group does not do, Hart said, is impose plot-point mandates on the filmmakers. Johnson told me he was surprised at how much leeway he was given to cook up the action of Episode VIII from scratch. “The pre-set was Episode VII, and that was kind of it,” he said. If anything, Johnson wanted more give-and-take with the Lucasfilm team, so he moved up to San Francisco for about six weeks during his writing process, taking an office two doors down from Hart’s and meeting with the full group twice a week.
Yeah but why are you making shit up about TLJ being written before TFA
https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-Continue-Long-Episode-IX-According-Disney-108587.html
They had planned the first 5 movies out in advance. Each to varying degrees; I'll try and find an article that talks about the story treatments.
That literally says nothing about having anything planned out story wise, they just say that the movies are confirmed to exist. Like how did you extrapolate anything there to mean they wrote TLJ first. How does that make any sense whatsoever
Shut the fuck up hunter you whore
Shut the fuck up hunter you whore
Eat a dick. :doge
btw
The reason Yoda playing rube works and the momma joke doesn't is not because of comedy but anachronism. Nobody is on hold for your mom in the SW universe. That's not a thing in that world. It's obviously coming from our world and comes off as awkward to jarring. Using humor to distract isn't the issue. It was that the joke was written for our world and not a highly advanced intergalactic universe.
I remember those books being a much more coherent, better thought-out approach to constructing a post-ROTJ scenario than the current movies.
Kind of want to go back and read them, but it's probably better to keep my rose-colored view of them from when I was 13.
I remember those books being a much more coherent, better thought-out approach to constructing a post-ROTJ scenario than the current movies.
Kind of want to go back and read them, but it's probably better to keep my rose-colored view of them from when I was 13.
I remember those books being a much more coherent, better thought-out approach to constructing a post-ROTJ scenario than the current movies.
Kind of want to go back and read them, but it's probably better to keep my rose-colored view of them from when I was 13.
They are but the issue is- they pick up pretty much right after RotJ. We've got the 30 year gap in the new trilogy. They just chose to fill it with kinda dumb shit, and in typical "JJ Abrams was involved with this project" fashion a bunch of half answered questions.
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"It's like poetry. It rhymes." :doge
I have to agree with Snore. A+ for vision C- or worse for execution.
I really respect that they decided to burn all the old star wars stuff down so they could be masters of their own fate and not be tied to telling the same George Lucas story with the same George Lucas characters. Honestly, if Disney had given me the helm on episode 8, I would've largely done the same thing .Burn it all down and start something new. In that sense, I can really respect the balls on Disney to actually try it, since you know the fanboys are going to be angry that whatever comes next, isn't the same star wars story with the same star wars characters and the same "fill out the mad lib" type story telling that TFA was. That's not to say that I didn't enjoy TFA, I really did (I enjoyed it way more than TLJ) but it was what was just a rehash of the original trilogy. And that was fine. To revive the series you need that, now that it's done you need to set it up for the next iteration and make it your own. Which is what I see they were trying to do.
They tried to do WAY too much. In their rush to burn it all down/tie up everything nice and neat for the next set of movies they made some ridiculous missteps:spoiler (click to show/hide)- Rey's parents? I know you wanna get away from the "uncertain parentage trope" but to keep bringing it up over and over and then to be like "Nope. It's a big nothing burger. Psych!" That was insanely lame
- Finn and Captain Phasma. that was stupid. They could have left that for later to give it the time it deserved. This just felt like "Oh yeah, we need to get that resolved. So let's do this cheesy, forced fight that will be really dumb cause we have like 3 or 4 minutes to spend on it." They should have left it alone
- Leia coming back to life? That was laugh out loud ridiculous. There was really no need for her to stay alive. She didn't contribute anything else to the story other than "She's Leia". They should have left her dead. And now that Carrie Fisher is dead, they REALLY should have left her dead
- I get what they were doing with the Fin and Rose thing, and I largely thing it was a good idea. But their little escapade that took so long and was completely ineffectual to the story. You could have largely cut that whole arc out and the movie would have been the same. There were other ways to do accomplish Fin's growth and the introduction of Rose
- They went too hard for the Marvel-esque "smart ass" thing and made the first order look dumb instead of something to be afraid of. Marvel does it because they usually only pull it off when the good guys are winning. But the audience needs to feel like the bad guy is scary and starting it off with the bad guys acting like bumbling idiots does not do that.
- Oh and that stupid purple hair admiral thing was really horribly executed. The only real reason she wouldn't take poe aside and tell him the plan would be if she though the was a spy, which it's obvious that she didn't. Further, if in the end she was just going to "allah ackbar" the thing. She could have done that from one of the ships that were going to be destroyed anyway, like the medical cruiser or a supply ship. That whole things was ridiculous.
- Further, if the first order can track through light space, why bother following them so closely.[close]
That all being said beyond burning it all down, they did do a few other things rightspoiler (click to show/hide)- I sorta liked emo Luke. I know people feel its uncharacteristic. But I think the reaction was understandable. I do think him trying to kill Kylo is a step too far, but the rest of it I get. Though the whole "LOL JK, Rey is the next Jedi." at the end was too much.
- Some great shots. Leia looking out of the snow field. The shot looking down Kylo's light sabre. Some good stuff there
- Kylo having played Snoke and everybody is a pretty good move as it sets up a good villain and gets rid of the whole "OMG, I R so conflicted" Vader crap. Let's just hope they don't fuck it up.[close]
All in all, I dig the vision but the execution was so bad that it puts TLJ just above the prequels for me in terms of quality. I sorta view the franchise as 4-7 as one set (7 was just a retelling of 4-6 anyway) and TLJ and prequels as another. That being said, that's not great company for TLJ to be in.
The worst thing about TLJ is all the people crawling out of the shadows to defend the Prequel Trilogy. :yuck
The worst thing about TLJ is all the people crawling out of the shadows to defend the Prequel Trilogy. :yuck
It is indefensible.spoiler (click to show/hide)TPM and RotS have some cool parts though[close]
The worst thing about TLJ is all the people crawling out of the shadows to defend the Prequel Trilogy. :yuck
In defense of the prequels within themselves, how anyone puts AotC ahead of either of the other two is beyond me.
A boring shitty romance/political drama with some battle droids and light-sabers thrown in.
CGI kung-fu laser sword fighting with Yoda and Palpatine. :yuck :yuck
Shut the fuck up hunter you whore
Eat a dick. :dogespoiler (click to show/hide)(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/324/172/db7.gif)[close]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsrAGjesyYYthe original trilogy ones are even funnier than the prequels in this too :thinking
On a side note, I'm slowly making my way through the audiobook versions of these.Having enjoyed your recent revisiting the Trek films even if I didn't comment much on it, I look forward to this.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Thrawn_Trilogy
I've never been remotely interested in Star Wars EU stuff but the annual release schedule of these star war films does make me more interested in Star Wars in general for about a month. Generally, I satiate that hunger by watching various prequel fan edit versions of the films like an insane person but this year decided to try something different instead. I guess, I'll post my thoughts on them as I finish each book.
The reason the Thrawn Trilogy was/is so praised was not that it's brilliantly written, it's not significantly better than most licensed novels of the era, and even as "Star Wars" it's a poor sequel to Jedi as Lucas hadn't yet actually decided all that shit about how the force works or what Luke's end goal was/the state of the Sith/etc. It's that it took the universe status, and the character status, in the wake of Jedi, and built logically off of it. The Empire had not suddenly collapsed, it was just heavily weakened, the Rebels weren't victors, most of the galaxy was taking the advantage of being freed to be Non-Aligned, much of the time is spent by Leia and Empire equivalents at propping up alliances or neutrality agreements, and both sides are looking for an advantage in the continued war. Han doesn't run off as a smuggler because he's now invested in these friends, Luke is trying to figure out his place but recognizes the advantage of a Jedi being around, etc. I'm going to really work off my memory here so I could get major chunks of this wrong, or be combing it with another book or something. The trilogy's actual hook is Thrawn himself, he's thrust into a role of intergalactic significance and progresses to realize what that means. When he's placed in the position to decide regarding the Clone War armada they come across and most of the one book is spent with both sides fighting over, it's one of the few times that Star Wars actually stops and asks moral questions about character actions. Thrawn recognizes the evil of the Late Empire, but also it's importance prior in providing a form of Galactic Order, as well as the Clone War Armada being potentially a greater evil than the continued sparring with the Rebels. (The book is sketchy on the events of the Clone Wars because I know a few people here remember that before the Prequels actually showed the damn thing it was considered this horrific monstrous war, and the book works off that premise that activating the ships may unleash an old terror. And the suggestion that the Empire may have been necessary to simply end it, not because it was a setup by Palpatine, but because it was the only way to end the horror.)
What the OT pulled off was telling a story, though hardly an original one, about a small band of characters and their adventures, while hinting at a larger world, until ESB upends the entire table and forces Jedi to start reaching ludicrous speeds for a conclusion that neither of the prior two films, nor even the first half of Jedi justify. The New Trilogy so far is working off Jedi's model more than the others.:jeanluc
The Prequels went in the entire opposite direction, galaxy altering events were happening all over and Lucas was jamming Obi-Wan and Anakin and Natalie Portman into the center of them. Because prophecy.
My half seriousness about TPM, and ultimately Palpatine's entire plot since his scheming is actually best shown in TPM considering where the film starts regarding all the pieces he has to move, being the best, is it's the actual Star Wars film where there is a full on plot at work. As much as Lucas wanted the Prequels to be about Anakin that's outright trash and ultimately irrelevant, it's really about Palpatine's manipulation of the entire galaxy to not only turn the entire galactic government over to his control, but wipe out the Jedi after millennia with none of them even knowing it's a Sith plot until the last film at which point it's too late. Anakin doesn't even truly fall under Palpatine's thrall until the back third of ROTS and even Palpatine had to be surprised as fuck at how he pulled it off.
The OT doesn't have any of this. It has better actors, better dialogue, better direction, better pacing, better action, etc. but until Lucas decided "the twist" it didn't have anything to hold it together except the character relationships. (Which it upends for Jedi.) The NT so far doesn't have much of any of it either. We're two thirds of a way through the story now and what exactly has been accomplished that the notion of Star Wars as a fantasy epic with a vital universe is backed by?
I FUCKING LOVED THIS ARTICLE:>decries Luke for being a self-insert
https://www.zacbertschy.com/blog/2017/12/29/my-hero-luke-skywalker
I FUCKING LOVED THIS ARTICLE:"Luke fucking Skywalker, in the drive thru at 3am getting two double decker taco supremes, a bean and cheese burrito and a large Diet Mountain Dew. He’ll finish Super Mario Odyssey at 5:30 in the morning and wait to tweet about it until after he wakes up at 6pm so people don’t notice he was up all night again. They wouldn’t really notice, but he thinks they would." :doge
https://www.zacbertschy.com/blog/2017/12/29/my-hero-luke-skywalker
One final thing about the Last Jedi that I wanted to talk about and then I'm kind of done with discussion on it as I've talked about everything that interests me on it. I find it odd that people give credit to the last jedi for making the movie about "failure" and how brave and original that was and a shocking subversion of expectations.
I mean once again I go back to the Empire Strikes back and its basically just following that template without the heavy handedness of having a character literally tell us the point of the movie is failure.
All the characters fail all over the place in empire. All of them. And its just woven in as part of the story. Characters are warned that the actions they are taking don't seem likely. Like when Yoda warns Luke about confronting Vader. The character goes and does it. Learns a painful truth and loses his hand. Han Solo gets betrayed by a close friend and frozen in carbonite.
So this idea that Last Jedi is either original and unique because of its themes strike me as odd. It's basically just using the Strikes back template in a more heavy handed and clunky manner with less interesting plots striving to achieve the same thing.
For me I see this alot with Jedi where people seem to give it a lot of credit for things that imo were done better in other movies and aren't as original as people make them out to be.
This is part of that disconnect I have where the people who dislike the movie seem to dislike it for reasons that seem trivial to me but people who love it tend to give it over-credit for things that have been done better before or sort of given more credit for things that aren't really as bold and innovative as they seem to think.
Either way, I'm all talked out on Last Jedi until some interesting piece comes along to give new fuel to the conversation.
Star Wars holds a place in people's hearts mainly because it was the only game in town back then that was sci-fi and popular. More than for the fact that it was good. The more I watch anything star wars, the more I'm convinced that this is true.
If we're splitting hairs then I guess you could say pulp sci fi or pop sci fi. And of course the prequels were exciting in the 90s, half of the people wanted to relive their teens and the other half wanted to introduce their kids to star wars. Surely you're not making the point that the prequels were popular from their own merit?Star Wars holds a place in people's hearts mainly because it was the only game in town back then that was sci-fi and popular. More than for the fact that it was good. The more I watch anything star wars, the more I'm convinced that this is true.
Star Trek. How does it explain the popularity of sci-fi back in 90's when the prequels came out? Star Wars isn't even sci-fi. It has none of the gravitas and depth that defines sci-fi.
It takes place in a galaxy far, far away. There are space ships. There are aliens. There are midichlorians. There is Jar Jar Binks. It's not deep like Star Trek but lol at it not being sci-fi.Star Wars holds a place in people's hearts mainly because it was the only game in town back then that was sci-fi and popular. More than for the fact that it was good. The more I watch anything star wars, the more I'm convinced that this is true.
Star Trek. How does it explain the popularity of sci-fi back in 90's when the prequels came out? Star Wars isn't even sci-fi. It has none of the gravitas and depth that defines sci-fi.
If we're splitting hairs then I guess you could say pulp sci fi or pop sci fi. And of course the prequels were exciting in the 90s, half of the people wanted to relive their teens and the other half wanted to introduce their kids to star wars. Surely you're not making the point that the prequels were popular from their own merit?Star Wars holds a place in people's hearts mainly because it was the only game in town back then that was sci-fi and popular. More than for the fact that it was good. The more I watch anything star wars, the more I'm convinced that this is true.
Star Trek. How does it explain the popularity of sci-fi back in 90's when the prequels came out? Star Wars isn't even sci-fi. It has none of the gravitas and depth that defines sci-fi.
It takes place in a galaxy far, far away. There are space ships. There are aliens. There are midichlorians. There is Jar Jar Binks. It's not deep like Star Trek but lol at it not being sci-fi.Star Wars holds a place in people's hearts mainly because it was the only game in town back then that was sci-fi and popular. More than for the fact that it was good. The more I watch anything star wars, the more I'm convinced that this is true.
Star Trek. How does it explain the popularity of sci-fi back in 90's when the prequels came out? Star Wars isn't even sci-fi. It has none of the gravitas and depth that defines sci-fi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsrAGjesyYYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejnBg92JMAA
I cant wait for Rebels to start up again :lawdIs this the final season?
Yeah, only half a season to go :goldbergI cant wait for Rebels to start up again :lawdIs this the final season?
I cant wait for Rebels to start up again :lawd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y5sCLZjoLg
I cant wait for Rebels to start up again :lawd
I can't wait to see how they tie it in with Rogue One.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y5sCLZjoLg
Stayler17
Finally a movie reviewer who isn't afraid of saying he likes a movie that deals with religion.
Yup. it's already had significant tie in to rogue one, they will make this connect with a new hope at the end now.I cant wait for Rebels to start up again :lawd
I can't wait to see how they tie it in with Rogue One.
They've already had bits in the film, right? I recall the GHOST was visible during the attack on the, er, "beach planet" where the Empire had the plans for the Death Star stored…
I also half-thought the Phantom is the same design as the ship Finn and Rose take to Canto Bight.
nah it was goodstfu bobby
What'd you think of the casino scene and its prequel-isms?
The lore has been improved over the bullshittery of the Prequels.
The Force has been restored to something we all have, not just someone having midichlorians or the right parents.
The Emperor was JUST AS INEXPLICABLE AND OF UNIMPORTANT ORIGIN in ESB and ROTJ. No1 curr.
People who think Rian pissed on the story of VII are willfully or fundamentally ignorant.
The emperor wasn't hanlded the best in the OT
Is the Snoke movie coming 2019 or 2020?I think that's coming after the Rose trilogy, Fix Things, Fix Things 2: Fix Harder, Fix Things Forever.
I agree all that except the third one, Chrono. Come on. The emperor wasn't hanlded the best in the OT so that makes it okay to handle Snoke poorly in the sequal trilogy? It doesn't fly with me and just feel like an excuse.
Snoke did his job and once it was done he get iced. That's really all there is to it. Now they can spend all of 9 on Rey and Kylo's conflict.
I agree all that except the third one, Chrono. Come on. The emperor wasn't hanlded the best in the OT so that makes it okay to handle Snoke poorly in the sequal trilogy? It doesn't fly with me and just feel like an excuse.
I'm not saying the Emperor or Snoke were handled poorly. I'm observing that the Emperor was an even scarier Big Bad Guy than Darth Vader, the same way that Snoke was a BBG compared to Kylo Ren. I'm stating that the OT didn't explain the origins of everything ad nauseum, left it open to interpretation, and benefited from leaving things vague.
I agree all that except the third one, Chrono. Come on. The emperor wasn't hanlded the best in the OT so that makes it okay to handle Snoke poorly in the sequal trilogy? It doesn't fly with me and just feel like an excuse.
I'm not saying the Emperor or Snoke were handled poorly. I'm observing that the Emperor was an even scarier Big Bad Guy than Darth Vader, the same way that Snoke was a BBG compared to Kylo Ren. I'm stating that the OT didn't explain the origins of everything ad nauseum, left it open to interpretation, and benefited from leaving things vague.
OK. I agree the OT benefited from that but I don't think that's the case here.
If they put a line in there showing that Snoke knew that Kylo would kill him, to the point where he's fine whether he kills Rey or him, and it sort of does, I think it would have gone over better. There's been talk that Sith take over leadership by killing their masters but the movie doesn't recognize this much less mention it. If they had Snoke smile and say,"Good, good. Your training is complete" before he dies from the saber, it would have gone over MUCH BETTER for me.
Are the original Sith still a race n current lore?
Why does this seem so much like Jewish people :larry
Are the original Sith still a race n current lore?
Why does this seem so much like Jewish people :larry
The political significance of star wars was allow people to recognise evil within a system that puts that system under threat or some shit, I remember reading about it awhile back, but it was revolving around american politics. There was even quotes from lucas himself.
Considering isreal own's america and trump, well...
OK. I agree the OT benefited from that but I don't think that's the case here. If they put a line in there showing that Snoke knew that Kylo would kill him, to the point where he's fine whether he kills Rey or him, and it sort of does, I think it would have gone over better. There's been talk that Sith take over leadership by killing their masters but the movie doesn't recognize this much less mention it. If they had Snoke smile and say,"Good, good. Your training is complete" before he dies from the saber, it would have gone over MUCH BETTER for me. But as is, it's left far too open, far more so than the Emperor in the OT, to the point where it just gets a shrug from me and doesn't lead to anything truly interesting. That would also show to Snoke's guards not to fight them because Kylo is now the rightful heir to the throne, as he has killed his Sith master, but that wouldn't allow the wonderful fight crescendo scene. So :idont I think there was potential there but they flubbed it and really, all they needed was the one line and they fucked even that up.
OK. I agree the OT benefited from that but I don't think that's the case here. If they put a line in there showing that Snoke knew that Kylo would kill him, to the point where he's fine whether he kills Rey or him, and it sort of does, I think it would have gone over better. There's been talk that Sith take over leadership by killing their masters but the movie doesn't recognize this much less mention it. If they had Snoke smile and say,"Good, good. Your training is complete" before he dies from the saber, it would have gone over MUCH BETTER for me. But as is, it's left far too open, far more so than the Emperor in the OT, to the point where it just gets a shrug from me and doesn't lead to anything truly interesting. That would also show to Snoke's guards not to fight them because Kylo is now the rightful heir to the throne, as he has killed his Sith master, but that wouldn't allow the wonderful fight crescendo scene. So :idont I think there was potential there but they flubbed it and really, all they needed was the one line and they fucked even that up.
Snoke is never stated to be a Sith, nor is Kylo. It's clear Kylo's emulating Darth Vader, and Supreme Leader Snoke is filling a similar role as Emperor Palpatine did for Vader, but the relationship is only Sith-like.
OK. I agree the OT benefited from that but I don't think that's the case here. If they put a line in there showing that Snoke knew that Kylo would kill him, to the point where he's fine whether he kills Rey or him, and it sort of does, I think it would have gone over better. There's been talk that Sith take over leadership by killing their masters but the movie doesn't recognize this much less mention it. If they had Snoke smile and say,"Good, good. Your training is complete" before he dies from the saber, it would have gone over MUCH BETTER for me. But as is, it's left far too open, far more so than the Emperor in the OT, to the point where it just gets a shrug from me and doesn't lead to anything truly interesting. That would also show to Snoke's guards not to fight them because Kylo is now the rightful heir to the throne, as he has killed his Sith master, but that wouldn't allow the wonderful fight crescendo scene. So :idont I think there was potential there but they flubbed it and really, all they needed was the one line and they fucked even that up.
Snoke is never stated to be a Sith, nor is Kylo. It's clear Kylo's emulating Darth Vader, and Supreme Leader Snoke is filling a similar role as Emperor Palpatine did for Vader, but the relationship is only Sith-like.
Who the fuck was the Emperor anyway?
And Ewoks are a really stupid twist on Viet Minh warfare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzO3DCW4LXw
I cried a bit watching this, poor mark hamill now that hes aged having to watch his character and franchise he worked so hard on be destroyed in front of him
I forgot I even saw the movie
I forgot I even saw the movie
Girl you've got like a thousands posts in this thread.
I forgot I even saw the movie
Girl you've got like a thousands posts in this thread.
On a side note, I'm slowly making my way through the audiobook versions of these.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Thrawn_Trilogy
I've never been remotely interested in Star Wars EU stuff but the annual release schedule of these star war films does make me more interested in Star Wars in general for about a month. Generally, I satiate that hunger by watching various prequel fan edit versions of the films like an insane person but this year decided to try something different instead. I guess, I'll post my thoughts on them as I finish each book.
To those that didn't like Luke's characterization, how would you have liked the character handled (within the framework established by TFA)?
To those that didn't like Luke's characterization, how would you have liked the character handled (within the framework established by TFA)?
From what I've seen it boils down to a few things that keep getting repeated from people who have that position.
1.) NO JOKES. Luke should be serious bizness
2.) Luke would never go so far as to pull out his blade on sleeping Kylo Ren.
3.) Luke would begrudgingly train Rey and/or go help her kill Snoke.
4.) Luke would have done some bad ass killing showing he is the most powerful jedi and then nobly get killed at the end instead of astral projecting himself and dying quietly by himself.
Note that none of this is necessarily my opinion. Just what I see get posted by people who have this position in every single thread on every forum that isn't this one.
The astral projection stuff was used by Yoga flame in the clone wars already so it's old canon, iirc using hyperdrive jump as a weapon is too and the bit with the rocks and the animals leading them through a cave is lifted directly off the last 2 part episode of Rebels.
The Empire (or whatever they were called) were written as complete idiots for whatever reason, that broke a lot of the film because every 5 mins i was sitting there going 'why dont they just x'.The astral projection stuff was used by Yoga flame in the clone wars already so it's old canon, iirc using hyperdrive jump as a weapon is too and the bit with the rocks and the animals leading them through a cave is lifted directly off the last 2 part episode of Rebels.
My issue with the astral projection wasn't canon. I don't really care about canon in that way. It was more that it was just kind of meh to me after the initial interesting surprise wore off. I was just kind of like that is what saved them? Really?
They can't catch up to them with all those vehicles or fly over the mountain to the other side?
Because Rian Johnson thinks all of you Star Wars fans are morons and he treated you so lolWas he wrong? :trumps
Because Rian Johnson thinks all of you Star Wars fans are morons and he treated you so lolWas he wrong? :trumps
They can't catch up to them with all those vehicles or fly over the mountain to the other side?
There's a throwaway line in there that specifically talks about it, but I can't recall offhand what it was.They can't catch up to them with all those vehicles or fly over the mountain to the other side?
Don't start thinking like that, or you'll start wondering why they landed on the planet and basically used siege engines rather than aerial bombardment.
There's a throwaway line in there that specifically talks about it, but I can't recall offhand what it was.
Did Last Jedi leak yet?A friend was downloading it on day two, so it's been out for a bit.
Did Last Jedi leak yet?A friend was downloading it on day two, so it's been out for a bit.
Not talking about cams, breh.
Sometimes. Mostly during screener season. But TFA and now TLJ somehow averted this.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-heres-what-lukes-third-lesson-to-rey-in-the-las-1821467308
Ah finally an explanation of that teaser scene I wanted to see. Neat. Hope to see it on the BR.
It sounds like there were a number of cut scenes that were actually pretty good, but they just didn't have any space for them with everything else that the movie did.
Death Star engineers: smart enough to design the ultimate space weapon, but not smart enough to correct design flaws/security measures once they knew the plans were stolen.
Maybe the problem was still in committee.
Because Rian Johnson thinks all of you Star Wars fans are morons and he treated you so lolWas he wrong? :trumps
Death Star engineers: smart enough to design the ultimate space weapon, but not smart enough to correct design flaws/security measures once they knew the plans were stolen.
Maybe the problem was still in committee.
The time frame from the theft of the plans to the assault on Yavin IV was only a few days, and I think everyone on the Imperial side who knew there was a fatal flaw ended up getting killed.
The hardcore fanbase that seems to comprise fandom nowadays is the worse I've ever seen it. They've gone from I like this thing and hope it turns out well to, I have one very specific vision of this thing and if its not exactly like how I want it, then its complete shit and I'm never going to shut up about it.
It's not just Star Wars. It's just about everything.
There was always this side to fandom. But it feels increasingly tiresome nowadays. Or maybe I just increasingly find it tiresome to engage.
The hardcore fanbase that seems to comprise fandom nowadays is the worse I've ever seen it. They've gone from I like this thing and hope it turns out well to, I have one very specific vision of this thing and if its not exactly like how I want it, then its complete shit and I'm never going to shut up about it.
It's not just Star Wars. It's just about everything.
There was always this side to fandom. But it feels increasingly tiresome nowadays. Or maybe I just increasingly find it tiresome to engage.
I was a pretty hardcore Star Wars fan in the 90s, but I don't remember it being like this.
I've got lots of stuff that I really like, but I stay away from fandom. It's just too much.
The hardcore fanbase that seems to comprise fandom nowadays is the worse I've ever seen it. They've gone from I like this thing and hope it turns out well to, I have one very specific vision of this thing and if its not exactly like how I want it, then its complete shit and I'm never going to shut up about it.
It's not just Star Wars. It's just about everything.
There was always this side to fandom. But it feels increasingly tiresome nowadays. Or maybe I just increasingly find it tiresome to engage.
I was a pretty hardcore Star Wars fan in the 90s, but I don't remember it being like this.
I've got lots of stuff that I really like, but I stay away from fandom. It's just too much.
It's obsessive behavior.
I remember being so excited as a young nerd whenever I found people who liked the same stuff I did. Now it's so easy to connect with people on the internet, find people with those same interests…
…actually, let's change that to "opinions." We can find people who share the same opinions, so it is a short step from THAT to thinking, "We are all CORRECT" instead of "We all share the same OPINION."
The hardcore fanbase that seems to comprise fandom nowadays is the worse I've ever seen it. They've gone from I like this thing and hope it turns out well to, I have one very specific vision of this thing and if its not exactly like how I want it, then its complete shit and I'm never going to shut up about it.
It's not just Star Wars. It's just about everything.
There was always this side to fandom. But it feels increasingly tiresome nowadays. Or maybe I just increasingly find it tiresome to engage.
I was a pretty hardcore Star Wars fan in the 90s, but I don't remember it being like this.
I've got lots of stuff that I really like, but I stay away from fandom. It's just too much.
It's obsessive behavior.
I remember being so excited as a young nerd whenever I found people who liked the same stuff I did. Now it's so easy to connect with people on the internet, find people with those same interests…
…actually, let's change that to "opinions." We can find people who share the same opinions, so it is a short step from THAT to thinking, "We are all CORRECT" instead of "We all share the same OPINION."
The hardcore fanbase that seems to comprise fandom nowadays is the worse I've ever seen it. They've gone from I like this thing and hope it turns out well to, I have one very specific vision of this thing and if its not exactly like how I want it, then its complete shit and I'm never going to shut up about it.
It's not just Star Wars. It's just about everything.
There was always this side to fandom. But it feels increasingly tiresome nowadays. Or maybe I just increasingly find it tiresome to engage.
I was a pretty hardcore Star Wars fan in the 90s, but I don't remember it being like this.
I've got lots of stuff that I really like, but I stay away from fandom. It's just too much.
It's obsessive behavior.
I remember being so excited as a young nerd whenever I found people who liked the same stuff I did. Now it's so easy to connect with people on the internet, find people with those same interests…
…actually, let's change that to "opinions." We can find people who share the same opinions, so it is a short step from THAT to thinking, "We are all CORRECT" instead of "We all share the same OPINION."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCwwVjPNloY
(https://i.imgur.com/hbyXqyc.gif)
let the past die.Kinda the opposite for me, only time I'll get interested in Star Wars again is deep in the past like Old Republic times and the birth of the Sith kinda stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCwwVjPNloY
(https://i.imgur.com/hbyXqyc.gif)
I want to see that body of his!
(https://i.imgur.com/RaSaUOr.jpg):derp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szts88zY4o
Shitty spiral?
Last two mainline movies were great
Shitty spiral?
Last two mainline movies were great
Your view is too nuanced for 2010-2018, things are either SHIT and getting worse, or THE BEST and getting better.
The fan service was garbage to me actually.I was watching a shitty movie and an unexpected moment of seeing Vader as the in-world badass he is came up, i was like 'neat'. We never really get to see Vader as a badass savage through-out the originals, mostly just him toying with Luke and standing around looking constipated :idont
“Don’t you guys want to see badass Darth Vader?!” :lol
The fan service was garbage to me actually.I was watching a shitty movie and an unexpected moment of seeing Vader as the in-world badass he is came up, i was like 'neat'. We never really get to see Vader as a badass savage through-out the originals, mostly just him toying with Luke and standing around looking constipated :idont
“Don’t you guys want to see badass Darth Vader?!” :lol
I should take a break from this thread. So much fucking negativity.spin off a rebels thread and i'll be positive 99% of the time
I should take a break from this thread. So much fucking negativity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szts88zY4o(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/331/294/96e.gif)
I should take a break from this thread. So much fucking negativity.
I should take a break from this thread. So much fucking negativity.
Sorry we're not sucking corporate cock as much as you want. Will reprogram to better lick Kathleen Kennedy's taint in the future. I forgot that we owe international conglomerate Disney our undying love and affection and that we shouldn't have our own opinions.
I FUCKING LOVE STAR WARS
I should take a break from this thread. So much fucking negativity.
Sorry we're not sucking corporate cock as much as you want. Will reprogram to better lick Kathleen Kennedy's taint in the future. I forgot that we owe international conglomerate Disney our undying love and affection and that we shouldn't have our own opinions.
I FUCKING LOVE STAR WARS
We don't want you to suck Disney's cock, just stop sucking your own.
The last three SW movies have at least been good enough to not merit complete derision. Full stop.
I think at this point I'm going to see it 3-4 times just to piss off Cindi and Tasty, and post an Armond White-esque review of why it's better than Rashomon
I think at this point I'm going to see it 3-4 times just to piss off Cindi and Tasty, and post an Armond White-esque review of why it's better than Rashomon
Lol I've never given a shit about anything you've done, why would that change now? :lol
imma go see infinity war once in theaters and im not even gonna pay for it 8)
Get mocked for not being excited for the next Star Wars piece of shit
Get mocked for being excited for the next Marvel piece of shit
Whomever loses, Disney wins
:idont
I think at this point I'm going to see it 3-4 times just to piss off Cindi and Tasty, and post an Armond White-esque review of why it's better than Rashomon
The Han guy is probably going to be way worse than eyebrow queen, the writing will be the real (dying) star of the show though lol
I think at this point I'm going to see it 3-4 times just to piss off Cindi and Tasty, and post an Armond White-esque review of why it's better than Rashomon
How daaaaaaare
I think at this point I'm going to see it 3-4 times just to piss off Cindi and Tasty, and post an Armond White-esque review of why it's better than Rashomon
How daaaaaaare
Maybe you and Triumph remember Rashomon very differently.
It's going to be the "Cloverfield Paradox" of new star wars movies.
http://www.starwars.com/news/game-of-thrones-creators-david-benioff-and-d-b-weiss-to-write-and-produce-a-new-series-of-star-wars-films
They're making another series besides the previously announced new trilogy
Disney's going full MCU on this and I'm thinking it might be Too Much
http://www.starwars.com/news/game-of-thrones-creators-david-benioff-and-d-b-weiss-to-write-and-produce-a-new-series-of-star-wars-films
They're making another series besides the previously announced new trilogy
Disney's going full MCU on this and I'm thinking it might be Too Much
I’m pretty sure rian Johnson’s trilogy isn’t happening
That's not really a defense, there are reports Disney's unhappy. You could defend Justice League in the same way (BO wise.)
http://www.starwars.com/news/game-of-thrones-creators-david-benioff-and-d-b-weiss-to-write-and-produce-a-new-series-of-star-wars-films
They're making another series besides the previously announced new trilogy
Disney's going full MCU on this and I'm thinking it might be Too Much
Then there's Luke facing the At-Ats with the sunset in the background, which I think will be a visual that will live on long after this movie.
STAR WARS REBELS IS BACK, I HAVEN'T WATCHED YET, DON'T SPOIL :rejoice
STAR WARS REBELS IS BACK, I HAVEN'T WATCHED YET, DON'T SPOIL :rejoice
Is it wrong to think that I might have been more tolerant about Rose if she was hotter?
I might give Rebels a shot since Xfinity has the whole series for streaming. I watched Clone Wars a handful of times but wasn't super engaged, although I didn't dislike it either. Read about some of the later stuff sounds like hilariously absurd fanfiction. Does Rebels have that kind of shit?
Oh I thought robot leg Darth Maul was in Clone Wars
OT Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul? :jeanluc
edit: wait, he was dead.
fake edit: wait, didn't he come back as a spider.
fake edit2: and he talks now?
fake edit3: :hhh
I don't even know who Mandalore is (and don't want to know).https://youtu.be/woT-x2tyn4Y
Holy shit RLM was right, that VA is fucking awful. :lol
Anyways thanks for the vids~
As a VA yes.
Also, receipts please.
After watching S1 of Rebels I decided maybe I should give TCW a chance again since it seems like some plot lines and characters are going to carry over. Surely it's better when you have the chronological order and which filler eps to skip, right?
obnoxious apprentice:bolo
Lucasfilm is excited to announce that Emmy-nominated producer and actor Jon Favreau has signed on to executive produce and write a live-action Star Wars series for Disney’s new direct-to-consumer platform. Favreau is no stranger to the Star Wars galaxy having played roles in both the Star Wars: The Clone Wars animated series and in the upcoming Solo: A Star Wars Story.
“I couldn’t be more excited about Jon coming on board to produce and write for the new direct-to-consumer platform,” says Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy. “Jon brings the perfect mix of producing and writing talent, combined with a fluency in the Star Wars universe. This series will allow Jon the chance to work with a diverse group of writers and directors and give Lucasfilm the opportunity to build a robust talent base.”
Favreau is thrilled to be returning to the Star Wars galaxy: “If you told me at 11 years old that I would be getting to tell stories in the Star Wars universe, I wouldn’t have believed you. I can’t wait to embark upon this exciting adventure.”
Where does all this talk of it taking risks and being "transgressive and subversive" come from?
or just don't know how to say they didn't care for it and are making up reasons to justify their feelings.
I think TLJ is good. So there.I mean that's fine too, I'm not going to start accusing you of shit because you have a different opinion on a Marvel movie :trumps
I will, you suck, TLJ was LITERALLY FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY, BITCHSo's incest porn, but I'm not going to judge you for that either :shaq
I've been hanging out with White Man.I will, you suck, TLJ was LITERALLY FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY, BITCHSo's incest porn, but I'm not going to judge you for that either :shaq
This is the weirdest comeback I've ever read.
I will, you suck, TLJ was LITERALLY FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY, BITCH
Explains why Blade Runner tanked :goldbergI will, you suck, TLJ was LITERALLY FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY, BITCH
Movies shoAuld just be fun okay don’t think so much about it okay it’s fine okay
Rose or Jar Jar?Carbonite.
I somehow stumbled through most of that video when I was lazy in the morning... Not a fan of tired sayings, but this dude really is an idiot's idea of a smart person.
Shit, it's better than the rest of the movie. Why cut this scene? It all works.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOcUL0FuKIQ
This should have been left in. Explained so much about Luke's views on the Jedi in a much clearer way than his other rants, and in a very efficient use of time to boot.
This is legit better than the other lessons.
The prequel trilogy tier humor is still in it though :snoop
Damn it, Rian! You were supposed to be the chosen one.
she has nice tits tho
Looks competently done though. But that's what Ron Howard does.
To save time, roll them into one character
well Lando has the BBC, Han's ewok sized carrot stick cannot compare
Maybe her alcohol breath melted it
"how" does he go through "life" without being "punched unconscious"
http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/05/01/star-wars-episode-9-new-character/
:doge
Play Shadows of the Empire.
Live action star wars series?It's Disney time
What a time
omg :roflspoiler (click to show/hide)Did they really have to explain the origins of his fucking name?
And Darth Maul? Jesus christ what? Might be the most cynical thing about the movie.[close]
Are you sure these aren't fake? Because that's dumber than I expected.
omg :roflspoiler (click to show/hide)Did they really have to explain the origins of his fucking name?
And Darth Maul? Jesus christ what? Might be the most cynical thing about the movie.[close]
Are you sure these aren't fake? Because that's dumber than I expected.
They're accurate. Andspoiler (click to show/hide)Maul makes perfect sense after TCW. I'm very glad to see that Lucasfilm is willing to include canon elements that might confuse a general viewer since it demonstrates their commitment to unified canon.[close]
I think it's less for canon and more for toy sales.
:lol Do you actually think the movies care about all about the cartoons and whatever else EU? Because I can assure you they don't.The cartoons? Absolutely. The EU? That stuff was thrown out mostly. I dont know what you're arguing anymore btw.
:lol Do you actually think the movies care about all about the cartoons and whatever else EU? Because I can assure you they don't.
They've also been slowing adding EU things back into cannon, like Thrawn. I imagine the upcoming Star Wars live-action TV series will go even farther in that regard.Yeah would be nice if the live action was about Ezra and Thrawn and what/where they were during the OT stuff.
The separatists had the right to self government
Maul was the best part of Phantom Menace. Don't give a shit about the cartoons.
https://twitter.com/DanCasey/status/994758084336627712
The stuff with Darth Maul in TCW is amazingly fucking awful, would be hilarious to try to see them do that shit in a live action settingSpiderlegs DM was awful, Obi Wan hate boner, normal legged, vision quest DM was great.
I'm saying the entirety of the DM arc(s) on TCW was garbage fanfic level dogshit bruvAnd I'm talking mostly about his Rebels run
https://twitter.com/DanCasey/status/994758084336627712
Oh man, I missed this. I worked for the company that did some of the tech for Jungle Book, wonder if he's gonna use the same stuff.
I didn't realize how big the star wars CG animated shows were until I ran into younger star wars fans that love them and the prequel characters.
For all the shit they get, the prequels did establish a new generation of fans that are attached to those films.
Those Anakin toys were soft, unlike sand.I didn't realize how big the star wars CG animated shows were until I ran into younger star wars fans that love them and the prequel characters.
For all the shit they get, the prequels did establish a new generation of fans that are attached to those films.
I mean, those Anakin toys were no just sold to fat nerds.
https://twitter.com/DanCasey/status/994758084336627712
Oh man, I missed this. I worked for the company that did some of the tech for Jungle Book, wonder if he's gonna use the same stuff.
Why the fuck do they insist on all these prequels instead of just telling the fucking story chronologically. Why release a sequel that you need to release a prequel for a few years later to explain/set it up?
I'm sure the latter day Simpsons has devoted fans that grew up with it too.
:donot
I'm sure the latter day Simpsons has devoted fans that grew up with it too.
:donot
Outside the internet I can't remember speaking to anyone about the show who differentiated between old and modern Simpsons. People love all of the show or they don't. If you aren't a (specific kind of) nerd, you probably like trash like Episode 3 and Two and a Half Men.
Yeah, with years of EU books/comics/ect. wiped out by the current movies, it feels like there's a huge gap between RotJ and TFA that deserves to be filled.
James Mangold is writing and will direct a Star Wars stand-alone movie centered on Boba Fett, the feared bounty hunter and fan-favorite character.
Quote from: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-boba-fett-movie-is-happening-james-mangold-direct-1113273James Mangold is writing and will direct a Star Wars stand-alone movie centered on Boba Fett, the feared bounty hunter and fan-favorite character.
(https://i.imgur.com/I5Fu3UX.jpg)
Let that be a lesson to folks: Never cast Emilia Clarke in your movie.
lol, apparentlyis in Solo? :derpspoiler (click to show/hide)Darth Maul[close]
Apparently Solo is on track to making LESS money worldwide than fucking Justice League :lol
And possibly Ready Player One :omg
It was actually a pretty fun movieSo Disney isn't even hiding the fact that it wants Star Wars to be like a Marvel movie? Nothing but winking at the audience with one joke after the next?
:yeshrug
lol, apparentlyis in Solo? :derpspoiler (click to show/hide)Darth Maul[close]
It was actually a pretty fun movieSo Disney isn't even hiding the fact that it wants Star Wars to be like a Marvel movie? Nothing but winking at the audience with one joke after the next?
:yeshrug
Not surprising.
The Solo name origin is one of the most unnecessary "here's how you got this" shit I've ever heard of tbh. It's an entire galaxy of dumb names, you don't need to explain it.
Let that be a lesson to folks: Never cast Emilia Clarke in your movie.
The Solo name origin is one of the most unnecessary "here's how you got this" shit I've ever heard of tbh. It's an entire galaxy of dumb names, you don't need to explain it.
The Solo name origin is one of the most unnecessary "here's how you got this" shit I've ever heard of tbh. It's an entire galaxy of dumb names, you don't need to explain it.
Oh no.
Did Han get his jacket, blaster, name, space chess board and starship in a very active afternoon, like Indiana Jones ?
The Cartoon Network CG show eventually had Darth Maul? It was so... not good at the beginning, especially that "movie," aka give a pilot a theatrical release because. I gave up on it well before that.
Sad to see this is bombingNothing to do with volume, everything to do with quality.
Still have to go myself
Think its just too much Star Wars in close proximity
The Solo name origin is one of the most unnecessary "here's how you got this" shit I've ever heard of tbh. It's an entire galaxy of dumb names, you don't need to explain it.
Rei and Cairo Len
I hope (keyword: hope) Disney rethinks their strategy and only releases a star wars film once every 5 to 7 years. :dogeTFA and TLJ were barely quality so maybe just skip altogether.
Quality > Quantity
I hope (keyword: hope) Disney rethinks their strategy and only releases a star wars film once every 5 to 7 years. :doge
Quality > Quantity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VwVHHVNY4M
http://collider.com/star-wars-spinoffs-on-hold/
RIP Bobby :bobby
People who don't like the Last Jedi are prejudiced against anime
TLJ wasn't great but I truly don't get the backlash against the Luke Skywalker arc.
The worst part of this fucking franchise (right now at least) is if you're even mildly negative on a movie, you're on the same "side" as the garbo alt-right bitches and the jamokes that are ponying up their own cash to remake a movie they don't own the rights to.
Like, sometimes it's OK for some people to not like a movie that much.
At the risk of sounding like some triggered manchild shitlord, I think my least favorite thing about the movie and the trilogy so far is probably Rey.
At the risk of sounding like some triggered manchild shitlord, I think my least favorite thing about the movie and the trilogy so far is probably Rey.
I liked her in TFA, think Daisy Ridley is ok in the role, and actually like that she isn't some long lost Kenobi/Skywalker. But I seriously wonder why in the hell she's the protagonist? (in before diversity bitching, as that's not my problem). Like she's super powerful just because, her primary motivation was finding her parents which amounted to nothing, and she's basically a designated protagonist. Any time I think of the ST I find myself liking the idea of Finn being the protagonist and Jedi a lot more. An escaped storm trooper who is kind of a coward finding courage to overthrow his oppressors is not only more compelling but fits nicely as contrast to Kylo's own turn to the dark side and betraying his family. Not sure what Rey's deal is, as you can also argue that Luke was the real protagonist of The Last Jedi and Rey was just there to be used by Luke and Kylo to fuck with each other (How come I haven't seen scorching hot takes from bloggers about this?).
Rey reminds me a lot of Lightning from FFXIII. She's really powerful and the protagonist but I struggle to think of defining traits of hers that aren't just strange call backs to more famous characters earlier in the series. Lightning is basically the version of Cloud SE thinks people like for example, and most people would describe her as girl Cloud. While Rey's defining features so far is that she's the lead, she's a Jedi, she's powerful, and she flies the Millennium Falcon. Nothing about her character. Hell you can argue that the one thing she had that could count as an arc, her parents, was solved in TLJ. What's the point of her going forward?
Now end me for this long post talking about star wars that even weaves in some Final Fantasy :-\
I feel that any director that tackles a Star Wars film is in a lose/lose situation when it comes to pleasing people.
lol wutI feel that any director that tackles a Star Wars film is in a lose/lose situation when it comes to pleasing people.
This is pretty much everything in life.
You could literally be saving lifes by providing healthcare to people, and 50% of people in America would say thats not ok.
That's literally what happened with the Medicaid expansion.You could literally be saving lifes by providing healthcare to people, and 50% of people in America would say thats not ok.lol wut
literally :doge
Does Galactic Healthcare exist in the Star Wars universe?
PalpaCare :lawd
Come on, you think Luke was paying for that? And not the princess funding a galactic rebellion taking care of him? Plus who knows what Obi-Wan left him, and then Yoda, they probably made calls all the time "you wish to sell your stocks at [this price]" then bet on the other side of the sale. Look at how those dopes were hanging out in palaces and running things in the prequels.Does Galactic Healthcare exist in the Star Wars universe?
It must, there's no way a moisture farmer from Tatooine could afford a plan that would cover weeks in a bacta tank and an artificial arm.
Or they were lazy and reused the same moves.
Lol I'm sure he is too, just wanted to rustle your jimmies. ;)MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! :-*
The triple Death Star. :lawd
yo why is a GOAT actor like benicio del toro in this pile of phlegm.
Disney: We should put the best actors in these roles to elevate and bring legitimacy to our comic and baby space movies. What can we do with Benicio Del Toro?
Also Disney: Lol idk just give him a 3 minute scene where he makes weird faces and noises in a few movies
yo why is a GOAT actor like benicio del toro in this pile of phlegm.
Because they forgot that Lando was a thing until they hired him.
Only sorta joking.
So you don't understand why he'd act in TLJ. An interesting well made blockbuster that tilts SW nerds. But Sicario 2, Avengers: Infinity War and GotG are fine?
:confused
Mentally unfit? What?
:confused
Mentally unfit? What?
Sorry, thirty seconds of google isn't bringing it up, but I was reading that as the main scuttlebutt on why it didn't happen.
How is this thread 63 pages? The original trilogy isn't even that great.
How is this thread 63 pages? The original trilogy isn't even that great.
Empire is a great movie. People still want to believe that someone can recapture that magic again.
Nerds are no different than other junkies. They are just running around spending their money chasing that dragon. Trying to get that hit that will remind them of the first time.
He also voiced himself in Battlefront II btw.:confused
Mentally unfit? What?
Sorry, thirty seconds of google isn't bringing it up, but I was reading that as the main scuttlebutt on why it didn't happen.
So you don't understand why he'd act in TLJ. An interesting well made blockbuster that tilts
Fucking Donald Glover ruined Lando for me >:(
um, can we get this confirmed before we start making comments?Fucking Donald Glover ruined Lando for me >:(
You were both consenting adults, it's nothing to be ashamed of.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-episode-9-brings-back-billy-dee-williams/1100-6460281/
Stay losing on Star Wars, chrono.
I guess they're running out of OT characters to kill off.
a dying and occasionally self-castrating breedHe's PD's type too :dead
PD is more into dusty Wu Tang affiliates.
Prequel era :donotYour loss, Clone Wars is amazing =P
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I've missed out on nearly all the animated Star Wars shows. Maybe that will be my next project. Which one do I need to start with?
I've missed out on nearly all the animated Star Wars shows. Maybe that will be my next project. Which one do I need to start with?Start with clone wars to date then Rebels (first season is rough coming from CW but the payoff will be worth it) then back to new seasons of clone wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae2Cxy8sswkInitial impression: Star Wars for babbies :doge
star fox a better franchise than star war
star fox a better franchise than star war
Rebels was already geared to a younger audience than Clone Wars, how much younger can they go?
Nintendo's "quality over quantity" focus! :lawdstar fox a better franchise than star war
Fewer bad releases too, actually.
Fewer good releases too :teehee
More Captain Phasma. :rejoice
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More Captain Phasma. :rejoice
Phasma got jobbed.
Zeta extols the virtues of the popular front and is thus the most ideologically correct Gundam. :hmph
Zeta extols the virtues of the popular front and is thus the most ideologically correct Gundam. :hmph
Half of Zeta is a snore, Kamille is a poor replacement for Amuro, and remember the episode when kid takes a Gundam? You've got a few episodes that are good plus the ending. Zeta being a good Gundam series is a meme.
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https://twitter.com/PTSDGuts/status/1048607343447920640
Remember the time when a central character who helped save the day in ep VII by confronting his fears, standing his ground, and fighting to the death against the big bad using a weapon he wasn’t trained with went into a coma and woke up the next movie as one giant joke when they sold this character originally as an effort of diversity, being the most prominent black character to ever grace a Star Wars movie?
That’s what I meant: the liquid spilling as he walks down a corridor as one big joke. It was the first among many times I would raise my eyebrow while watching TLJ. I immediately bristled me in a negative way. Here’s this character who overcame so much and he’s treated like a joke. To me it was like taking Luke after being attacked the Bantha and inside that healing tube, and when he finally comes out he wanders around the base with healing juice splashing out of the diaper he was wearing inside the tube. Haha, so funny!
Kamille isn’t really a replacement of Amuro, they go through different progressions and have different ideals. Char/Amuro are handled perfectly as well, with some of the best natural progression for characters in a sequel series.Zeta extols the virtues of the popular front and is thus the most ideologically correct Gundam. :hmph
Half of Zeta is a snore, Kamille is a poor replacement for Amuro, and remember the episode when kid takes a Gundam? You've got a few episodes that are good plus the ending. Zeta being a good Gundam series is a meme.
Let’s not forget the Hyaku Shiki. :mouf
I loved it. Still do.
The reasons you peeps give for not liking it, I guess I see it, but it's like you're searching for stuff to hate.
opening up the universe to more possibilities instead of making everyone someone else's daddy.
I loved it. Still do.
The reasons you peeps give for not liking it, I guess I see it, but it's like you're searching for stuff to hate.
Nah. It’s just not the tone I like from a Star Wars movie. It takes me out of the movie. Nothing is taken seriously. Rey’s friends are being killed and she’s on way her to save them in the falcon and going,”WHOO I LOVE THIS!!!” or when the rebellion has been killed to like 20 people but they’re all happy and acting like it’s a family reunion. The tone is atrocious and is confusing as to what it wants for communicate to the viewer. Which ain’t exactly picking nits. It’s a core part of film making: making your story believable even if it’s in a galaxy far, far away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sRS1dwCotwopening up the universe to more possibilities instead of making everyone someone else's daddy.
And again nobody has whined about anybody's parentage here
I'm seeing fewer possibilities in the Star Wars universe than ever, the prequels were pretty bad but at least they added a lot more planets, alien races, ship types...they expanded things like tenfold and as a result they were able to make a bunch of pod racing games and toys of the new setpieces and spinoff material that people gobbled up
Nobody wants playsets of alien caretaker nuns or the canto bight casino
They spent the whole movie going nowhere and adding nothing of substance to the star wars universe, even the concepts had been explored previously in other media (grey/disillusioned jedi etc.)
I loved it. Still do.
The reasons you peeps give for not liking it, I guess I see it, but it's like you're searching for stuff to hate.
Nah. It’s just not the tone I like from a Star Wars movie. It takes me out of the movie. Nothing is taken seriously. Rey’s friends are being killed and she’s on way her to save them in the falcon and going,”WHOO I LOVE THIS!!!” or when the rebellion has been killed to like 20 people but they’re all happy and acting like it’s a family reunion. The tone is atrocious and is confusing as to what it wants for communicate to the viewer. Which ain’t exactly picking nits. It’s a core part of film making: making your story believable even if it’s in a galaxy far, far away.
Nah. The SW movies have always trivialized momentous stuff. Darth Vader kills his subordinates, Alderann gets blown up, the Death Star and all its live-in slaves and day care centers have been atomized… and it's all a cheery award ceremony at the end, or Darth Vader is redeemed because his half-trained Jedi son grants absolution.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sRS1dwCotwopening up the universe to more possibilities instead of making everyone someone else's daddy.
And again nobody has whined about anybody's parentage here
I'm seeing fewer possibilities in the Star Wars universe than ever, the prequels were pretty bad but at least they added a lot more planets, alien races, ship types...they expanded things like tenfold and as a result they were able to make a bunch of pod racing games and toys of the new setpieces and spinoff material that people gobbled up
Nobody wants playsets of alien caretaker nuns or the canto bight casino
They spent the whole movie going nowhere and adding nothing of substance to the star wars universe, even the concepts had been explored previously in other media (grey/disillusioned jedi etc.)
Hyaku Shiki :whew
Hyaku Shiki :whew
There a bit in Wotakoi where some of the characters are arguing over the best waifu in Evangelion, and one guy's favorite is Unit-01.
TLJ starts with a yo mama joke phone call. That is like the only time the movie actually subverted my expectations.
Hyaku Shiki :whew
There a bit in Wotakoi where some of the characters are arguing over the best waifu in Evangelion, and one guy's favorite is Unit-01.
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TLJ starts with a yo mama joke phone call. That is like the only time the movie actually subverted my expectations.
Lando being sexually attracted to his robot assistant didn't subvert your expectations? :gurl
Expecting me, an average movie goer, to have seen a flop like Solo? :gurl
Star Wars has always been cheesy and lighthearted for most of the run time of any given movie. TLJ probably doesn't really have MORE of that than most of the other movies, but the pacing and when it's delivered flops pretty much every time.
(https://i.imgur.com/uA9KLJE.png)And again nobody has whined about anybody's parentage herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sRS1dwCotw
I'm seeing fewer possibilities in the Star Wars universe than ever, the prequels were pretty bad but at least they added a lot more planets, alien races, ship types...they expanded things like tenfold and as a result they were able to make a bunch of pod racing games and toys of the new setpieces and spinoff material that people gobbled up
Nobody wants playsets of alien caretaker nuns or the canto bight casino
They spent the whole movie going nowhere and adding nothing of substance to the star wars universe, even the concepts had been explored previously in other media (grey/disillusioned jedi etc.)
OT rulez, ST droolz.
Star Wars has always been cheesy and lighthearted for most of the run time of any given movie. TLJ probably doesn't really have MORE of that than most of the other movies, but the pacing and when it's delivered flops pretty much every time.
I disagree. Star Wars has cheesy dialogue but it takes that dialogue with seriousness.
Like this scene.
https://youtu.be/h19yG1DXI2o
It takes itself very seriously despite the dialogue.
Comparing them to the TLJ clips above I don’t understand how someone couldn’t see the difference. The only thing that’s truly comedic is handled by specific characters, namely, C3P0 and Chewbacca. In TLJ, everyone gets in on the fun. The tone in drastically different and I don’t understand how this can be argued agaisnt.
My point was more that Star Wars is pretty cheesy by default and shouldn't be taken particularly seriously to begin with, not that there isn't a difference in the levity between TLJ and other movies or shows in the series. TLJ's levity fails pretty much every time, some because it just isn't funny, but usually because it's almost always at an inappropriate time. That shit is seen in all the movies, and all the TV shows, just (usually, but not always) as bad.
Revenge of the Sith is much much better than The Last Jedi. Not sure how this is debatable.
Kinda wish episode 9 is JJ taking subverted expectations to its logical conclusion and it's just a three hour home video of him slowly fisting a donkey wearing a Rian Johnson mask to orgasm.
Killing Snoke was cool and dumb at the same time. Like, it was cool because literally no one expected (and idgaf about your 20/20 hindsight stories), but it was dumb because they didn't explain shit about him or why anyone should really care. The original trilogy didn't explain anything about Palpatine's origins, but they fed the audience just enough tidbits to build the intrigue over three films and when he was finally fully revealed in ROTJ he felt that much more of a threat than Snoke.
Yeah, but it's not like they gave Snoke any character either. He was just kind of there, and then he wasn't. Also, it's pretty unrealistic for them to expect the average viewer to turn to extended universe stuff for explanations of major plot points that should've been in the movies in the first place. They don't even need to go into great detail. It's not like anyone is asking to see Midichloreans or a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.
ESB is my favorite film, not sure how many hundreds of times I have watched it.
I am wearing a Star Wars T-shirt right now. Countless hours in KotOR, Galaxies, ToR, Star Wars d20, reading the books, etc.
I wanted TLJ to be good. I was receptive to accepting it despite potential flaws.
I can forgive and look over the flaws of the prequels.
Attack of the Clones is a better movie than The Last Jedi. I have almost no interest in rewatching Attack of the Clones, but maybe one of these days.
I have zero interest in revisiting the fuckfest that was The Last Jedi.
It's not like anyone is asking to see ... a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.If you were to mash the Prequel Trilology into a single movie, those are some of the only recurring scenes that should be kept.
TLJ starts with a yo mama joke phone call. That is like the only time the movie actually subverted my expectations.
It's not like anyone is asking to see Midichloreans or a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.
It's not like anyone is asking to see ... a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.If you were to mash the Prequel Trilology into a single movie, those are some of the only recurring scenes that should be kept.
That and the entire scene where Obi-Wan pisses off the Jedi Librarian, then goes to Yoda for help, and Yoda directs the question to the Jedi kindergarten students who eventually answer that the information was probably deleted, when that should have been obvious to Obi-Wan from the start.
The fight with Darth Maul would happen in like the first half hour of the film and then it'd just be nothing but scenes like these until Order 66. Then Obi-Wan says "I've got the high ground" and it immediately cuts to Anakin rolling around in the lava like he gave up when faced with the logic.
TLJ starts with a yo mama joke phone call. That is like the only time the movie actually subverted my expectations.
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either a) you dont know star wars and thus didn't have any expectations b) you're lying for effect or c) the film had already been spoiled for you.
:lol
sure thing
Yeah, but it's not like they gave Snoke any character either. He was just kind of there, and then he wasn't. Also, it's pretty unrealistic for them to expect the average viewer to turn to extended universe stuff for explanations of major plot points that should've been in the movies in the first place. They don't even need to go into great detail. It's not like anyone is asking to see Midichloreans or a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.
Solo sucked not even Donald Glover could save it
Wow a modern Star Wars prequel that’s nothing but fan service and arbitrary plot lines. Why am I so shocked after Rogue One?
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You guys overthink this shit waaaaay too much to enjoy it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BBhNkywMJY
You guys overthink this shit waaaaay too much to enjoy it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BBhNkywMJY
Can someone please animate this as Remy from Ratatouille explaining this to a rat town council please? If you close your eyes that's what you'll see.You guys overthink this shit waaaaay too much to enjoy it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BBhNkywMJY
After the stories of Jango and Boba Fett, another warrior emerges in the Star Wars universe. The Mandalorian is set after the fall of the Empire and before the emergence of the First Order. We follow the travails of a lone gunfighter in the outer reaches of the galaxy far from the authority of the New Republic.
WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY FOCUSING ON THAT STUPID TIME FRAME? It's been done to death! Why not do an old republic thing or something? How much can you milk the same 20-40 year period.
I hope Sabine Wren is in there
EDIT: https://makingstarwars.net/2018/12/is-sabine-wren-in-star-wars-the-mandalorian-and-the-avatar-2-connection/?fbclid=IwAR1dmRDSApXQ4EIGUY7cFWvxIcYpsYyTm-ZAaTIa_hJxMiPUcbEV62WDckQ:rejoicespoiler (click to show/hide)Is Sabine Wren in The Mandalorian? We don’t know. But apparently her helmet is.[close]
Speaking of answers, though, in the same interview Ridley did confirm The Rise of Skywalker would put the rest the question of Rey’s lineage. “[Director J.J. Abrams’ did say the question is answered,” Ridley said. “So at the end of the film, you do know what the dealio is.”
QuoteSpeaking of answers, though, in the same interview Ridley did confirm The Rise of Skywalker would put the rest the question of Rey’s lineage. “[Director J.J. Abrams’ did say the question is answered,” Ridley said. “So at the end of the film, you do know what the dealio is.”
But it was answered in the last one...? :thinking
Are they really gonna soft-retcon that into "Kylo didn't know what he was talking about" and make Obi-Wan the baby daddy? For real?
Even admitting that the issue isn't put to rest yet is a spoiler. :wtf
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker May Feel Like a Different Genre, According to Daisy Ridley (https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-may-feel-like-a-differ-1836054430)
It's always been somewhat evident they had no plan and no idea what they were doing, but I wasn't expecting the cast and crew to be so transparent about it.
While the prequels badly hurt my appreciation for Star Wars, Disney successfully destroyed whatever feelings I had left.
After The Last Jedi I simply don't care anymore. I haven't even watched a trailer of the upcoming movie.
It's quite nice to no longer have any emotional attachment, because no matter what terrible, unoriginal nonsense they churn out next, it can no longer hurt or disappoint me. So I'm ok with how it all turned out. I am free.
While the prequels badly hurt my appreciation for Star Wars, Disney successfully destroyed whatever feelings I had left.
After The Last Jedi I simply don't care anymore. I haven't even watched a trailer of the upcoming movie.
It's quite nice to no longer have any emotional attachment, because no matter what terrible, unoriginal nonsense they churn out next, it can no longer hurt or disappoint me. So I'm ok with how it all turned out. I am free.
While the prequels badly hurt my appreciation for Star Wars, Disney successfully destroyed whatever feelings I had left.
After The Last Jedi I simply don't care anymore. I haven't even watched a trailer of the upcoming movie.
It's quite nice to no longer have any emotional attachment, because no matter what terrible, unoriginal nonsense they churn out next, it can no longer hurt or disappoint me. So I'm ok with how it all turned out. I am free.
Yet here u are in the star wars thread writinh this butthurt post
The prequels almost killed star wars, these new ones are pretty damn good.
The biggest problem with them is the unrealistic expectations people have.
Looking forward to your whiny post after the new movie, cause you know you will go see it anyway.
Me, quietly trying to still enjoy STAR WAR, which I genuinely like and don't think is as shitty as everyone else (or used to be as great, which I think is the real problem):
(http://www.funwithcy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Obiwan_007.jpg)
The entire internet, united at last for the very important goal of shitting on my fandom:
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You people know that Project 4K77, 4K83 (and soon 4K80) exist, right?
There is ONLY the original trilogy.
You people know that Project 4K77, 4K83 (and soon 4K80) exist, right?
That's neat but I don't have a 4k tv.
There is ONLY the original trilogy.
Even that's tainted by the Special Editions. :doge
There is ONLY the original trilogy.
Even that's tainted by the Special Editions. :doge
There is people itt thread that buy every Animal Crossing and Pokemon for 20 years but call Star Wars a limited franchise
:doge
Don't want to name shame
There is people itt thread that buy every Animal Crossing and Pokemon for 20 years but call Star Wars a limited franchise
:doge
Don't want to name shame
some people treat SW as such srs business. If either of you people "didn't care" you wouldn't write screeds about how much Disney ruined it. I was upset by Game of Thrones, but I own that shit, I didn't hide behind some fake ambivalence.
I don't love the new Star Wars movies, but I'll probably go see each and every one of them, as they were a huge part of my childhood. And I will enjoy them for what they are, a mindless blockbuster l, and stuff my face with popcorn and nachos like a good American.
I went to see The Force Awakens opening night, because it seemed like a big deal, but that feeling dissipated. And that's ok. Maybe grown ass people shouldn't treat a new sequel in a long list of franchise installments as an event.
honey, you made about 200 posts on TLJ alone and how much you hate it. You may fool yourself, but you're not fooling me.
And Solo was mediocre, agreed.
Me, quietly trying to still enjoy STAR WAR, which I genuinely like and don't think is as shitty as everyone else (or used to be as great, which I think is the real problem):
(http://www.funwithcy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Obiwan_007.jpg)
The entire internet, united at last for the very important goal of shitting on my fandom:
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Bitch please, you've been shitting on various internet fandoms with impunity for as long as I've known you. This is a karmic rebalancing years in the making. :ufup
I remember naively thinking in my youth that when it was freed from Lucas we would get some pretty cool stuff from a universe where anything and everything could happen. Same with trek.
What a dumbass I was and still am :lawd
Hot take:
New STAR WAR is not as bad as a very vocal group of wankers think
Original recipe STAR WAR is not as good as your nostalgia tells you it is
...prequel STAR WAR is every bit as trash as its worst detractors say it is, tho
Search your feelings, bitches. You know it to be true.
Hot take:
New STAR WAR is not as bad as a very vocal group of wankers think
Original recipe STAR WAR is not as good as your nostalgia tells you it is
...prequel STAR WAR is every bit as trash as its worst detractors say it is, tho
Search your feelings, bitches. You know it to be true.
All I'm saying is, throw me some bones bros. The new locales and characters are so boring they make me nostalgic for the prequels :holeup
All I'm saying is, throw me some bones bros. The new locales and characters are so boring they make me nostalgic for the prequels :holeup
I watched the rise of the Skywalker (?) trailer and doesn’t it take place on a forest planet like Endor? :dead
Solo was competent, but totally by-the-numbers. Doesn't really do anything particularly interesting. I'd watch it over the the prequels but that's about it. At least R1 had a good final act.
Anyone else excited for Dune? :hyperVillaneuve hasn't made a single bad film, and Blade Runner 2049 was quite amazing, so how could you not be?
i watched solo on an 18 hour plane fight at about 3 in the morning, nodding off occsaionally and not bothering to rewind it.Dude, I watched it on a long ass flight too. :lol It's a good plane movie.
think that was the way it was meant to be watched.
Parts 1 and 2 of "Twilight of the Apprentice" are some of the best Star Wars stuff made, but they don't really resonate if you haven't watched: all the prequels, all of Clone Wars, Rebels up until those episodes, (and I guess) all of the original trilogy.:bow
Star Wars innit.
Anyone else excited for Dune? :hyperI've only been coming in my pants for years waiting :lawd
is the SciFi channel Dune adaptation worth watching?It's OK. Obviously low budget but far more faithful than the 80s movie.
is the SciFi channel Dune adaptation worth watching?100% absolutely, it's very, very good.
You people know about Project 4K77, 4K83 (and soon 4K80), right?Just looked into this, thanks to this post.
is the SciFi channel Dune adaptation worth watching?
Occam: revenge of the sith is still better last Jedi.
kingv is right tho, TLJ is a the anime filler arc of mainline SW films. It's lateral movement.
Anyone with an attunement for the force, that is.kingv is right tho, TLJ is a the anime filler arc of mainline SW films. It's lateral movement.
It's my favorite SW movie behind the 1977 and 1980. It's fantastic. It actively pulls heroism and personal responsibility into anyone's hands, and away from hereditary mythology.
Anyone with an attunement for the force, that is.kingv is right tho, TLJ is a the anime filler arc of mainline SW films. It's lateral movement.
It's my favorite SW movie behind the 1977 and 1980. It's fantastic. It actively pulls heroism and personal responsibility into anyone's hands, and away from hereditary mythology.
kingv is right tho, TLJ is a the anime filler arc of mainline SW films. It's lateral movement.
It's my favorite SW movie behind the 1977 and 1980. It's fantastic. It actively pulls heroism and personal responsibility into anyone's hands, and away from hereditary mythology.
casino planet was basically prequel tierYup. It's my least favorite part of the movie. Still love the movie overall.
I still love chrono, despite his star wars treason :heartThanks, boo.
I have to assume there's a very good chance JJ turns The Last Jedi into the Count Dooku of Star Wars filmskingv is right tho, TLJ is a the anime filler arc of mainline SW films. It's lateral movement.
It's my favorite SW movie behind the 1977 and 1980. It's fantastic. It actively pulls heroism and personal responsibility into anyone's hands, and away from hereditary mythology.
I think we should wait for the new one before saying that’s 100% confirmed. That title makes me feel like there’s a chance they retcon Rey’s parentage somehow.
I have to assume there's a very good chance JJ turns The Last Jedi into the Count Dooku of Star Wars filmskingv is right tho, TLJ is a the anime filler arc of mainline SW films. It's lateral movement.
It's my favorite SW movie behind the 1977 and 1980. It's fantastic. It actively pulls heroism and personal responsibility into anyone's hands, and away from hereditary mythology.
I think we should wait for the new one before saying that’s 100% confirmed. That title makes me feel like there’s a chance they retcon Rey’s parentage somehow.
What IS the main plot of AOTC? What's the main plot of any of the prequels?
What IS the main plot of AOTC? What's the main plot of any of the prequels?
What IS the main plot of AOTC? What's the main plot of any of the prequels?
when Christopher Lee character shows up in episode 2 as the main (?) bad guy at the end
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o72EVymX8u70s22mQ/giphy.gif)
Man, Attack of the Clones was such garbage. It was so bad that main plot got retconned before the movie even ended.
Man, Attack of the Clones was such garbage. It was so bad that main plot got retconned before the movie even ended.
I thought Kamino (whatever, the cloning planet) was a refreshing change of style (if not an outright mistake in direction) with the giant aliens and clinical white hallways. Then Lucas shits himself by shoehorning Boba Fett and quite literally making him the opposite of exceptional then the goofiness of having hallways filed with poor Temuera Morrison composited three hundred times in every frame.
Also if you thought the Boba Fett backstory significantly undid his "cool" you should see what they did to the Mandalorians in the shows. :lol
Also if you thought the Boba Fett backstory significantly undid his "cool" you should see what they did to the Mandalorians in the shows. :lol
What IS the main plot of AOTC? What's the main plot of any of the prequels?There are two storylines. After an attempt on Padme’s life, her guardians, Obi-Wan and Anakin, split up; the former investigates why Padme was targeted and the latter protects her. Obi-Wan absolutely knows that Anakin is emotionally unbalanced around Padme, so it’s unclear why Obi-Wan doesn’t choose to guard Padme and send Anakin to investigate.
I think George Lucas wants people to like the things he likes, and gets angry when they focus on something else. Killing off Boba in a massive vagina dentata wasn't enough, so he de-specialized Boba by making Jango, and then making thousands of Jangos. ::)Man, Attack of the Clones was such garbage. It was so bad that main plot got retconned before the movie even ended.
I thought Kamino (whatever, the cloning planet) was a refreshing change of style (if not an outright mistake in direction) with the giant aliens and clinical white hallways. Then Lucas shits himself by shoehorning Boba Fett and quite literally making him the opposite of exceptional then the goofiness of having hallways filed with poor Temuera Morrison composited three hundred times in every frame.
I think George Lucas wants people to like the things he likes, and gets angry when they focus on something else. Killing off Boba in a massive vagina dentata wasn't enough, so he de-specialized Boba by making Jango, and then making thousands of Jangos. ::)Man, Attack of the Clones was such garbage. It was so bad that main plot got retconned before the movie even ended.
I thought Kamino (whatever, the cloning planet) was a refreshing change of style (if not an outright mistake in direction) with the giant aliens and clinical white hallways. Then Lucas shits himself by shoehorning Boba Fett and quite literally making him the opposite of exceptional then the goofiness of having hallways filed with poor Temuera Morrison composited three hundred times in every frame.
Wasn't there a previous canon explanation of what the clone wars were that was like 100 times better than the prequels? Or did I just imagine that from reading the novelization of A New Hope which has tons of stuff that isn't in the movie.
Chrono out here Forcesplaining :gurl
Prequels should have been Obi-wan movies with Anakin as a minor background character (and already a Jedi Knight and good pilot.)
What IS the main plot of AOTC?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pTbi-0lMTg
What IS the main plot of AOTC?
What's the main plot of any of the prequels?
There should be an Obi Wan movie just showing him drinking and being in the sun constantly to explain his aging in double time.
Just like there needs to be one more X-Mehns explaining how Magneto aged 45 years in 8 years.
Obi Wan was a centrist. Making him worse than the Sith Lords.well his master was a both-sideser grey jedi :thinking
Obi Wan was a centrist. Making him worse than the Sith Lords.well his master was a both-sideser grey jedi :thinking
Obi Wan was a centrist. Making him worse than the Sith Lords.well his master was a both-sideser grey jedi :thinking
His master was Boogie2988?
The Galactic Credit Standard, simply called a credit or abbreviated to cred, colloquially referred to as Republic Dataries, and later known as the Imperial Credit, was the main currency in use in the galaxy since the time of the Galactic Republic.
The galactic credit standard was established on Sojourn. From its inception, the credit was backed by the immense wealth of the planet Muunilinst and the InterGalactic Banking Clan (IGBC). During the Clone Wars, the IGBC backed the currencies of both sides, as it would do so again decades later for the New Republic and Imperial Remnant.
During the Clone Wars, and even before, many of the galaxy's inhabitants were worried about the war's outcome and the effect it would have on the galactic economy. Because of this, an overwhelming majority of planets outside the Core and Inner Rim would not accept credits. These planets and regions began minting their own special currencies. In 22 BBY, the InterGalactic Banking Clan was creating new currencies at a rate of twenty per day, with the InterGalactic Currency Exchange System managing the currency
"Republic credits? Republic credits are no good out here. I need something more real."
―Watto to Qui-Gon Jinn on Tatooine
Quote"Republic credits? Republic credits are no good out here. I need something more real."
―Watto to Qui-Gon Jinn on Tatooine
lol at the lore behind this being as incoherent as Star Trek's similar "credits" in an economy that is otherwise borderline without scarcity
Qui-Gon faked his death while Obi-Wan became the inside man, but Anakin had seen too much so they had to "train" him to make sure he didn't screw the whole thing up. In AOTC when they go into the seedy parts of town, Obi-Wan knows everything about it because of his side business. And he's gotta get Anakin out of the way to handle business so he assigns him to watch the Queen.
Yoda figures the whole thing out and demands a cut, that's why he's got an exit to Dagobah ready immediately. And that's also why they send Mace Windu to confront the Emperor, because he was getting too close to both operations.
At some point Yoda and Obi-Wan probably had Qui-Gon have an "accident" while they were "on the run" and frame the Empire for it.
to one of the most-hyped scifi filmmakers of the current era."
to one of the most-hyped scifi filmmakers of the current era."
:confused
Is Johnson still getting his own trilogy btw? :thinking
The fact that Bat-Superman-guy still has this kind of job proves that in reality it must all be nepotism.
The fact that Bat-Superman-guy still has this kind of job proves that in reality it must all be nepotism.
Hollywood agents are always looking for the next script.
And if one or two of the Phase 1 movies had been a total bomb (or possibly even critically raked over the coals like BvS and JL), he might have been out on his ass and whatever replacement Disney got probably would have cocked the whole thing up.
After Red Letter Media's predictions for Episode 9 made me think about the Star War again, there is one question I would like answered. Why did Disney give Episode 8 to Rian Johnson, to both direct AND write? To a guy who didn't care about Star Wars and who hadn't made a single great movie before?
It's no suprise that after the unsalvageable train wreck Last Jedi turned out to be no halfway decent writer wanted to touch Episode 9 so they had to resort to the guy responsible for Batman v Superman, but after the relatively successful (if derivative) Episode 7, why did Disney entrust their Billion-dollar franchise to Johnson? They even meant to give him the entire next trilogy, before proving he was actually any good. It makes no sense.
To replicate the MCU clearly you have to insert shitty oneliners and tension breaking jokes into your movies.
Fun fact about Chris Terrio AKA "the BvS writer guy," when he was announced as working on BvS people were excited because "Ben's bringing in his awesome writer friend from Argo to fix up Snyder's crap."Chris Terrio and Zack Snyder were in complete agreement on BvS and JL and what would be then JL2 as an arc coming out of Man of Steel. Terrio is the one who wrote the original Justice League script that Warners deemed unfilmable which would take place after the release of the Anti-Life Equation and Superman under Darkseid's control. The arc would end in Superman's display of being the ultimate hero by ultimately resisting Darkseid and saving the day that the rest of the Justice League could not do incomplete.
And honestly I don't blame him for BvS and JL, most of the blame lays at Snyder's feet. Writers can admittedly have much more of a pockmarked reputation, with past failures and triumphs not correlating as strongly for future work as compared to directors.
for my money, Perlmutter was right, they're lame superheroes. Yeah a bunch of demigods are brawling and this regular ass dude is running around with a bow and arrow, what is he doing
Not a fan of Looper, just too many illogical elements for my taste (no, not calling them plot holes as they aren't necessarily holes in the plot, just plot points that make no sense). His other movies fared worse critically. Seeing how Last Jedi also contains lots of illogical stuff, maybe that's his thing.Thank you for being more civil than I was in my response, and I respect your willingness not to drop to cheap name-calling.
rian johnson has been permanently stuck in his second year of film school.Feel free to read the other post to Occam, for which I just apologized.
saw brick at a friend's birthday. my friend is desperately uncool in that way that can only be achieved by trying to be cool 100% of the time. suffice to say he loved brick and it was trash.
saw brothers bloom on a punt at the cinema, didn't even realise it was rian johnson despite it having all the same hallmarks of immensely lame fedora characters who only total loser would think are hot shit.
saw looper on a student night in a cinema full of dickheads. i fucking hate dickheads at the cinema, but their constant shit talking was somehow more coherent and less try hard than the film. better than the other two though.
even his breaking bad episodes are stuffed full of his loser nerd ideas of what would be a cool out there shot or bit of blocking, all so deliberate and irritating that it takes you completely out of the scene.
i'm sure he has enough basic skills to be a standard issue rent-a-hack, but his nasal delusions of grandeur wouldn't let him just hit something with a straight bat.
If you remember, the original tagline for Justice League was #UniteTheSeven. There's only six Justice Leaguers in the film even after Supes is brought back to life.
QuoteIf you remember, the original tagline for Justice League was #UniteTheSeven. There's only six Justice Leaguers in the film even after Supes is brought back to life.
:thinking
What the fuck Warners?
Also fuck Tsujihara, he should have been ousted over JL not some #metoo shit.
Would a Snyder Star Wars be better or worse than BvS?
Snyder is a hack/fraud.
Snyder is a hack/fraud.
I thought this was the point tbh. Man's got a career of 2 hour Linkin Park music videos. Its self aware :thinking
Snyder is a hack/fraud.
I thought this was the point tbh. Man's got a career of 2 hour Linkin Park music videos. Its self aware :thinking
He isn't.
A better example might be Michael Bay (and Nickelback videos or something I dunno); I fully believe he's self-aware about his reputation and types of movies he makes (maybe outside that 'sus Romeo and Juliet Law shit in Transformers 8.)
I don't get that impression from Snyder. He comes off like an Araonofsky type, believing he's making true art. When really it's taking two action figures and smashing them together in a dirty pond.
i read rumbler's hack/fraud thing and read it as .hack//fraud and chuckled :fbm
I really really wanna go to galaxy's edge and build my own lightsaber :lawd
It’s $200 to build your own lightsaber. Do you know how many copies of BvS you could buy with that kind of money?
I really really wanna go to galaxy's edge and build my own lightsaber :lawd
Build-a-Bear for grownups :marimospoiler (click to show/hide)That actually does sound sweet.[close]
I need to make sure my SO does not hear about that until after she leaves...
I will now be disappointed if they don't have a giant death star that jizzes out smaller death stars
I will now be disappointed if they don't have a giant death star that jizzes out smaller death stars
Besides the Walt Disney Corporation, you mean.
https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/star-wars-fans-rejoice-beloved-character-yoda-return-article-1.3932491
Hey guys, remember Yoda?
(https://i.ibb.co/f0cTtHw/image.png) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB6mt2ptFmM)
Yoda already returned though...
By the way, when did Lucas come up with the inane idea that the Jedi live in celibacy?
But Lucas revealed that despite their monastic regime, Jedi were permitted to have sex.
"Jedi Knights aren't celibate - the thing that is forbidden is attachments - and possessive relationships."
By the way, when did Lucas come up with the inane idea that the Jedi live in celibacy?
By the way, when did Lucas come up with the inane idea that the Jedi live in celibacy?
I'm pretty sure that never come up until Episode II, so we could have this :zzz forbidden love subplot.
I remember when Revenge of the Sith came out, I didn't even know what Sith was. Because none of that redundant shit was in the originals.
Couldn't a Jedi just use the force on a Fleshlight and call it a night?
Couldn't a Jedi just use the force on a Fleshlight and call it a night?
I remember when Revenge of the Sith came out, I didn't even know what Sith was. Because none of that redundant shit was in the originals.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the trailer, this is not Bobba Fett. It's just a random bounty hunter.
Looks cool though.Unless I'm misunderstanding the trailer, this is not Bobba Fett. It's just a random bounty hunter.
Which makes the carbon thing even more stupid. Only nitpick with the trailer.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the trailer, this is not Bobba Fett. It's just a random bounty hunter.
Way, way back when ROTJ came out, I thought Luke's black outfit on the Endor mission was what Jedi would normally wear. I was so surprised that Obi-Wan, hiding on Tatooine, was wearing his Jedi Uniform all along.
::)
Way, way back when ROTJ came out, I thought Luke's black outfit on the Endor mission was what Jedi would normally wear. I was so surprised that Obi-Wan, hiding on Tatooine, was wearing his Jedi Uniform all along.'hiding' yet everyone knew the old wizard :lol
::)
Someone's compiled the leaks and spoilers for Ep IX so far:spoiler (click to show/hide)https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdogzVKRgecnANjj3I_0d-mUFI5n2AswYDBdOEnmwvc/edit[close]
Enjoy.spoiler (click to show/hide):doge[close]
A copy of his consciousness is held within an item (the MacGuffin). He possessed a body and ruled as Snoke. When Snoke was cut in half, his consciousness returned to the MacGuffin
These Star Destroyers are equipped with “planet destroying weapons like the one on the Death Star itself.”
The Sith are like engineers for razor blade companies. "How can we make this better?" "Add more blades!".
Way, way back when ROTJ came out, I thought Luke's black outfit on the Endor mission was what Jedi would normally wear. I was so surprised that Obi-Wan, hiding on Tatooine, was wearing his Jedi Uniform all along.'hiding' yet everyone knew the old wizard :lol
::)
Way, way back when ROTJ came out, I thought Luke's black outfit on the Endor mission was what Jedi would normally wear. I was so surprised that Obi-Wan, hiding on Tatooine, was wearing his Jedi Uniform all along.'hiding' yet everyone knew the old wizard :lol
::)
To be fair, “everyone” being everyone in some rural hick town on a backwater planet in the ass end of the galaxy that nobody was supposed to even have heard of. (Until after the heroes visit it in four of the next five movies, oops)
Skywalker spoilerspoiler (click to show/hide)lol so Rose isn’t in? All that trouble TLJ and they do nothing to fix her character? Probably because the actress was harassed? Recast her.[close]
Skywalker spoilerspoiler (click to show/hide)lol so Rose isn’t in? All that trouble TLJ and they do nothing to fix her character? Probably because the actress was harassed? Recast her.[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)She's in, quite high up in the Rebellion as Finn's love interest :comeon[close]
Tell me the dumbest shit from that because I'm not going to read through it. Just give me the worst things from it so I can :jeb
https://twitter.com/OhNoItsBohbear/status/1166019028026109952
Someone's compiled the leaks and spoilers for Ep IX so far:spoiler (click to show/hide)https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdogzVKRgecnANjj3I_0d-mUFI5n2AswYDBdOEnmwvc/edit[close]
Enjoy.spoiler (click to show/hide):doge[close]
“Finn gets emotional closure within his identity—what is family, what is friendship, what is love."
ballsy move to keep using his government name thoIn fairness, he was known as "Old Ben."
ballsy move to keep using his government name thoIn fairness, he was known as "Old Ben."
wtf is everyone talking about in those spoiler tags :social
wtf is everyone talking about in those spoiler tags :social
By my estimates, almost half of what Mike and *Rich predicted is true (if this leak is accurate.) :lol
I may be misremembering, but they called him Ben Kenobi a few times. I am assuming Kenobi is his last name.
what's the merch sales like anyway? are kids buying this shit or is it all being bought by Rich Evans?
what's the merch sales like anyway? are kids buying this shit or is it all being bought by Rich Evans?
So much of Star Wars seems nostalgia based that it’s less for kids than adults now... imo anyway.
Also if you look at the figures they make a lot of the designs are not cool toys for kids unless you love the characters.
A figure of That really forgettable Asian chick from TLJ has been sitting st target for like 2 years. Just think about how wack of a toy that is. Or black guy in a flight jacket, or old grandma woman wearing white, or grandpa with a black leather jacket and a pistol.
Mild spoiler
So 30 or so rebels vs this:spoiler (click to show/hide)(https://i.imgur.com/DhsX2zx.jpg)[close]
LMAO
So much of Star Wars seems nostalgia based that it’s less for kids than adults now... imo anyway.
Also if you look at the figures they make a lot of the designs are not cool toys for kids unless you love the characters.
A figure of That really forgettable Asian chick from TLJ has been sitting st target for like 2 years. Just think about how wack of a toy that is. Or black guy in a flight jacket, or old grandma woman wearing white, or grandpa with a black leather jacket and a pistol.
what kid would seriously be excited for a Poe Dameron figurine so he can reenact the famous scene where he is defiant and petulant toward the Admiral Holdo purple hair figurine
I would play with a Luke Skywalker figurine RIGHT NOW he would do cool flips across my desk and start attacking my pair of scissors with his light saber, what the fuck would I do with a Rose
Nintex literally supporting nazis is a turn I think everyone saw coming
(https://i.imgur.com/2fEnAeK.jpg)Nintex literally supporting nazis is a turn I think everyone saw coming
filler liking a post by someone saying sympathetic things about nazis is a close second
They'll send in John Wick
Someone's compiled the leaks and spoilers for Ep IX so far:spoiler (click to show/hide)https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdogzVKRgecnANjj3I_0d-mUFI5n2AswYDBdOEnmwvc/edit[close]
Enjoy.spoiler (click to show/hide):doge[close]
Someone's compiled the leaks and spoilers for Ep IX so far:spoiler (click to show/hide)https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdogzVKRgecnANjj3I_0d-mUFI5n2AswYDBdOEnmwvc/edit[close]
Enjoy.spoiler (click to show/hide):doge[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)The worm is injured. In a display of previously unknown power, Rey is able to heal the worm’s injuries, satiating the worm and providing the heroes the chance they needed to escape.[close]
What the fuck.
Whenever I hear Brie, I think of this:And when I saw that, my first thought was "Imperial Star Destroyer!"
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Brie_01.jpg/1200px-Brie_01.jpg)
I read all those spoilers and it really sounds like a fan fiction.It kind of is when you think about it.
Someone's compiled the leaks and spoilers for Ep IX so far:spoiler (click to show/hide)https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdogzVKRgecnANjj3I_0d-mUFI5n2AswYDBdOEnmwvc/edit[close]
Enjoy.spoiler (click to show/hide):doge[close]
All this talk about the end of the saga would mean something if the sequel trilogy actually had any real weight or feeling behind it. I don't really care about these characters and they sure don't feel like a group of friends. C3P0 saying "I'm looking at my friends" feels so empty. These characters hardly feel like they've interacted. I don't even feel like Rey knows Poe and so on. The sequel trilogy has really failed.
All this talk about the end of the saga would mean something if the sequel trilogy actually had any real weight or feeling behind it. I don't really care about these characters and they sure don't feel like a group of friends. C3P0 saying "I'm looking at my friends" feels so empty. These characters hardly feel like they've interacted. I don't even feel like Rey knows Poe and so on. The sequel trilogy has really failed.Is the main issue.
Oh Rose is in it! I'm sure this'll be GREAT!
The trailer has some really neat visuals and exciting set pieces it seems; already better than VIII in that sense, but this...All this talk about the end of the saga would mean something if the sequel trilogy actually had any real weight or feeling behind it. I don't really care about these characters and they sure don't feel like a group of friends. C3P0 saying "I'm looking at my friends" feels so empty. These characters hardly feel like they've interacted. I don't even feel like Rey knows Poe and so on. The sequel trilogy has really failed.
Writing a trilogy one movie at a time, with no end goal in mind, and no consideration for what comes next is the dumbest way to handle these movies.
It's comical how they managed to create a trilogy arguably more messy than the prequels one, not necessarily worse, but certainly less cohesive.
These characters barely had a clear arc, barely interacted with one another, and were essentially suffocated by the nostalgia bait and the old cameos.
Also how the fuck do you constantly retcon within the span of 3 movies? It's like each movie was bring written in secret, from the other ones.
Too bad, despite not thinking much of the movie itself, i really liked the new characters in VII.
The written in secret thing is the problem with the trilogy. They wrote each movie of a trilogy, one movie at a time, with no consideration with where it was going next.
The trailer has some really neat visuals and exciting set pieces it seems; already better than VIII in that sense, but this...All this talk about the end of the saga would mean something if the sequel trilogy actually had any real weight or feeling behind it. I don't really care about these characters and they sure don't feel like a group of friends. C3P0 saying "I'm looking at my friends" feels so empty. These characters hardly feel like they've interacted. I don't even feel like Rey knows Poe and so on. The sequel trilogy has really failed.
Writing a trilogy one movie at a time, with no end goal in mind, and no consideration for what comes next is the dumbest way to handle these movies.
It's comical how they managed to create a trilogy arguably more messy than the prequels one, not necessarily worse, but certainly less cohesive.
These characters barely had a clear arc, barely interacted with one another, and were essentially suffocated by the nostalgia bait and the old cameos.
Also how the fuck do you constantly retcon within the span of 3 movies? It's like each movie was bring written in secret, from the other ones.
Too bad, despite not thinking much of the movie itself, i really liked the new characters in VII.
The written in secret thing is the problem with the trilogy. They wrote each movie of a trilogy, one movie at a time, with no consideration with where it was going next.
Have Poe/Rey had any interactions
Oh Rose is in it! I'm sure this'll be GREAT!
The trailer has some really neat visuals and exciting set pieces it seems; already better than VIII in that sense, but this...All this talk about the end of the saga would mean something if the sequel trilogy actually had any real weight or feeling behind it. I don't really care about these characters and they sure don't feel like a group of friends. C3P0 saying "I'm looking at my friends" feels so empty. These characters hardly feel like they've interacted. I don't even feel like Rey knows Poe and so on. The sequel trilogy has really failed.
Writing a trilogy one movie at a time, with no end goal in mind, and no consideration for what comes next is the dumbest way to handle these movies.
It's comical how they managed to create a trilogy arguably more messy than the prequels one, not necessarily worse, but certainly less cohesive.
These characters barely had a clear arc, barely interacted with one another, and were essentially suffocated by the nostalgia bait and the old cameos.
Also how the fuck do you constantly retcon within the span of 3 movies? It's like each movie was bring written in secret, from the other ones.
Too bad, despite not thinking much of the movie itself, i really liked the new characters in VII.
The written in secret thing is the problem with the trilogy. They wrote each movie of a trilogy, one movie at a time, with no consideration with where it was going next.
The most hilarious and mindboggling part is that this is the same company that had already released a dozen Marvel movies and had the next 20 movies mapped out. They paid $4 BILLION for Star Wars and then were like "just wing it, lul".
They knew you bitches would eat anything Star Wars releated, and surprise: You did with them making box-office bank on the last two.The only one i've seen in the cinema was VII, and i've stopped exactly because it was clear they didn't know what the fuck they were doing, so i wouldn't agree with that.
The only way to stop them and have them pull a MCU on the series (aka: plan everything) is have more "Solo: A Star Wars story" bombs.
Another thing I'll bring up, that I've never seen anyone talk about, is just how lived-in that world feels in ANH.
You see a town of a bunch of poor folk controlled by an empire, filled with authoritative troops, and there's a jazz bar where smugglers interact.
What they did to Rogue One after starting marketing it was a canary in the long run.I think the director outright said he took some of those shots specifically because they'd look good in a trailer, without any intention of having them in the movie, which is beyond bizarre, even though it makes sense, that guy has only made visually fun movies, with nothing else behind them.
Release a movie in which there's no shots from your first trailer remaining brehs.
Darth Icky sitting in the corner of the jizz bar, asking strangers if they've ever heard the tragedy of Great Plagueis the Wise....only to add a little more to the story that SHEV left out: Plagueis came back to life and he's ickier than ever
:rejoice
Who got their tickets to star wars then? Admit it!
D&D are out from Star Wars
D&D are out from Star Wars
Dungeons and Dragons? Whut?
D&D are out from Star Wars
Dungeons and Dragons? Whut?
The two guys that were showrunners for Game of Thrones.
Rogue One was better than Solo and Last Jedi
Darth Icky sitting in the corner of the jizz bar, asking strangers if they've ever heard the tragedy of Great Plagueis the Wise....only to add a little more to the story that SHEV left out: Plagueis came back to life and he's ickier than ever
:rejoice
I'm thinking about this gif but with a Darth Vader helmet:
(https://i.imgur.com/oOuMJxK.gif)
The written in secret thing is the problem with the trilogy. They wrote each movie of a trilogy, one movie at a time, with no consideration with where it was going next.
It still boggles my mind that they did this. Like, I'm actually fine with the second movie blasting apart the things that the first movie set up but if they're just going to retcon everything in the third movie, then what was the point of it all?
Apparently there are new changes to at least ANH on Disney+ :dead
:lol what? the one thing people wanted them to do now that Lucas is out of the picture and they fuck it up? :dead
The trailer has some really neat visuals and exciting set pieces it seems; already better than VIII in that sense, but this...All this talk about the end of the saga would mean something if the sequel trilogy actually had any real weight or feeling behind it. I don't really care about these characters and they sure don't feel like a group of friends. C3P0 saying "I'm looking at my friends" feels so empty. These characters hardly feel like they've interacted. I don't even feel like Rey knows Poe and so on. The sequel trilogy has really failed.
Writing a trilogy one movie at a time, with no end goal in mind, and no consideration for what comes next is the dumbest way to handle these movies.
It's comical how they managed to create a trilogy arguably more messy than the prequels one, not necessarily worse, but certainly less cohesive.
These characters barely had a clear arc, barely interacted with one another, and were essentially suffocated by the nostalgia bait and the old cameos.
Also how the fuck do you constantly retcon within the span of 3 movies? It's like each movie was bring written in secret, from the other ones.
Too bad, despite not thinking much of the movie itself, i really liked the new characters in VII.
The written in secret thing is the problem with the trilogy. They wrote each movie of a trilogy, one movie at a time, with no consideration with where it was going next.
The most hilarious and mindboggling part is that this is the same company that had already released a dozen Marvel movies and had the next 20 movies mapped out. They paid $4 BILLION for Star Wars and then were like "just wing it, lul".
Another thing I'll bring up, that I've never seen anyone talk about, is just how lived-in that world feels in ANH.
You see a town of a bunch of poor folk controlled by an empire, filled with authoritative troops, and there's a jazz bar where smugglers interact.
There's a weird human/hairy beast duo that run together and understand each other despite Chewbacca's lack of English.
You get the feeling that they've been doing this for a long time, and you get the feeling that there's a ton of people like them. You get that in their dialogue, in the way they interact with everyone etc.
All these new movies lack any sort of imagination or world-building, a lot of times people are "The One", or there's special significance drawn to same geriatric characters, no longer is there a universe to explore... but a plot to follow.
It's one of the reasons why Rogue One feels so terrible, sure it's an "outer worlds" story, but it's not delivered in any way that seems like a realistic progression.
I really liked VII at the time. Biggest waste of potential I've seen in a while.Between this and Shenmue's, a lot of deaths you're celebrating! :-*
Will Redbox IX and laugh at it and celebrate the end of star wars.
30 minute episode :-\
mandalorian :rejoice it's star war, but it's not :thinking but it's good :)
doesn't exactly feel like star war, but it's in the star war universe. at times I got a feeling of vidya cut scenes, but in a good way :doge
it's a good sci-fi that just happens to be star war
so are the yoda;s species extremely force sensitive or something? They have the highest midi-chlorian counts? :doge
so are the yoda;s species extremely force sensitive or something? They have the highest midi-chlorian counts? :doge
That's what I'm assuming they're going with.
Or there's a WestWorld-like time shift twist and this is actually Old Republic days or some shit and that's really Yoda for real
where the babbie yoda toys at? the perfect christmas gift :hyper
(https://i.imgur.com/459MU5q.jpg)
:hmm
After the first episode I was worried The Mandalorian was going to be the first Star Wars product actually made for dads who wear Empire Strikes Back shirts but then in episode 2 it became clear that the show was going to answer the question no one asked but Lucasfilm was happy to answer anyway ("What if Yoshi's Island was a Star Wars show?") and our eponymous Mandalorian got the shit kicked out of him by a bunch of Jawas who made fun of him for being a monoglot. What an absolute zero like Jango, Boba, the Brothers Saxon, et cetera. :lolBetween this and the baby looking stinking cute I might just have to acquire an unlicensed copy of this.
I had him locked in my wine cellar, well he wasnt locked, I just put out some cheese and books and he stayed :smug
About as dumb as, "NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS," sorry.
Yeah I'm expecting it to suck and would agree the ST is worse with the stock quips but this isn't that different from most of those from the OT :yeshrug
https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/1199021463942160384
anyone read the leak? :hitler
They fly now!
/Cries in jet clonetrooper
They fly now!
/Cries in jet clonetrooper
https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/1199021463942160384
anyone read the leak? :hitler
George: They fly now.
Jerry: They fly now?
Kramer: *zip hand motion* Oh, they’re flyin, Jerry
:larry
whole franchise trash outside of mandalorians
I read about the guy who played Jar Jar getting so much hate (much of it racism based) from Star War nerds that he was in a deep depression and nearly killed himself multiple times.
I read about the guy who played Jar Jar getting so much hate (much of it racism based) from Star War nerds that he was in a deep depression and nearly killed himself multiple times.
You can only kill yourself once.
I watched the first episode of the Mandalorian finally.
It's... fucking bad. I mean there's some cool visuals I guess for a tv show, but the writing makes no fucking sense.
https://twitter.com/emanuelmaiberg/status/1199087429333983232I'm also noticing that The Clone Wars animated series (not REBELS) displays nearly all its shading with black, without any kind bounce lighting, rim lighting, etc. It's oddly flat and unattractive. Which trips me out, because I actually enjoy the painterly textured look they're using min most other cases.
Sequel fanboys:
(https://i.imgur.com/2VXnTqr.png)
Sequel fanboys:
(https://i.imgur.com/2VXnTqr.png)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXtuieDdFQM
I await the Baby Yoda going back to Yoda-Japan arc of Star Wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx2jIjv5g-M
Herzog is the best Star Wars casting since the OT.
Liam’s a snoozer in em
I've resolved my impasse with the helmet thing by inventing a head cannon where this specific mandelorian clan has a thing about keeping helmets on cause it's their thing and it doesnt have anything to do with mandalorians overall.
I hope these ROS spoilers are realI refuse to believe any of this.spoiler (click to show/hide)Palpatine is Rey's grandpa
Force ghost Han
Palpatine faces Rey in a gladiator coliseum with a star war raging above them, then steals the energy from Rey/Kylo's force bond to replenish himself for a lightsaber battle :dead
The emperor being killed, the big death weapon being destroyed, a big galaxy wide celebration, ending with Rey making a lightsaber made out of Luke and Leia's and watching the twin suns on Tattoine :dead[close]
:mike :lol :lol :lol :lol
Reminded me of a good stargate episode.Don’t you besmirch SG1, nu-Star Wars could only hope to be as good as that.
George: They fly now.
Jerry: They fly now?
Kramer: *zip hand motion* Oh, they’re flyin, Jerry
:larry
Gina is so thick, squeeze me senpai :noahDid you watch Haywire? She can't act for shit, but that fight with Fassbender...
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1200244662092484608 (https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1200244662092484608)
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1200821792966938624 (https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1200821792966938624)
:tocry
“Episode 9 will be the conclusion of a story over 40 years in the making.”:lol
babby jarjar ;):rejoice :rejoice :rejoice
Gina is so thick, squeeze me senpai :noahshe actually fits the role, feel like she could really kick someone's ass. scarjo makes the dick hard, but it's always silly watching her fight anyone.
I think that if Lucas's second set of films was made between 2016 - 2020 the reception would've been very different simply based on the improvements in CG animation and such.star wars with the avatar tech :rejoice suck it cameron
Many of the things he wanted to do simply didn't work on a technical level. So even if the plot would've still been dumb in places he could've had his big clone wars play out on the big screen.
Not to mention that maybe he wouldn't have kicked off the trend of stuffing as many CG enemies on screen as possible for big fight scenes.
I think that if Lucas's second set of films was made between 2016 - 2020 the reception would've been very different simply based on the improvements in CG animation and such.The prequels were dogshit beyond the effects (which were mind blowing at the time).
Many of the things he wanted to do simply didn't work on a technical level. So even if the plot would've still been dumb in places he could've had his big clone wars play out on the big screen.
Not to mention that maybe he wouldn't have kicked off the trend of stuffing as many CG enemies on screen as possible for big fight scenes.
His idea of gender fluid is "sometimes I'm soft and sweet, which is a feminine quality" :lol
His idea of gender fluid is "sometimes I'm soft and sweet, which is a feminine quality" :lol
When you combine this Snoke information with the Ochi content, we see that Palpatine was behind all of it.
https://makingstarwars.net/2019/12/a-new-detail-has-emerged-from-the-final-duel-in-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker/
:larry That's about as good an arc for Ben as I could have wanted. It's kinda lol though thatspoiler (click to show/hide)the last literal Skywalker is force pushed into a bottomless pit, lmao, bye bitch[close]
https://makingstarwars.net/2019/12/a-new-detail-has-emerged-from-the-final-duel-in-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker/NO FUCK YOU MOVIE.
:larry That's about as good an arc for Ben as I could have wanted. It's kinda lol though thatspoiler (click to show/hide)the last literal Skywalker is force pushed into a bottomless pit, lmao, bye bitch[close]
I think that if Lucas's second set of films was made between 2016 - 2020 the reception would've been very different simply based on the improvements in CG animation and such.The prequels were dogshit beyond the effects (which were mind blowing at the time).
Many of the things he wanted to do simply didn't work on a technical level. So even if the plot would've still been dumb in places he could've had his big clone wars play out on the big screen.
Not to mention that maybe he wouldn't have kicked off the trend of stuffing as many CG enemies on screen as possible for big fight scenes.
But i'll give Lucas this: He tried something different with it.
The prequels don't just feel like a re-thread of the original trilogy, which i guess is what a lot of fans took issue with in the first place.
But then this new trilogy can get so fucking dull with the call backs.
No, it's a galaxy wide pit with no railing
Ezra is like Luke's age, he could feasibly have died from old age. Or he gets some kind of badass hero exit in a future piece of media.This is the first time we're learning about him since Sabine took off to look for him, yeah everyone dies, but still fuck off with him showing up dead next time. Also fuck off killing Ashoka the White Mage like this too. No one's going to care that they are here telling Rey to persevere as they had fuck all to do with her. I was hoping Sabine and Ezra show up in a show like Mandalorian somewhere down the line as Ezra would be the only person available to train baby yoda and Sabine is the defacto Mandalorian leader. That would spin off into a series where they show how Ezra and later Sabine fought Thrawn wherever the fuck they went.
Or since it's just his voice, he's not dead at all.
Everyone dies anyways, even most fictional characters, soooo... :confused
who da fack is lezra?:rage :trigger
who da fack is lezra?:rage :trigger
who da fack is lezra?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17cWICANUBg
why is mawl talking :oreilly so awful :lol:rage :rage :trigger :rage :rage
:nope:steiner
Leaked Star Wars dialog:You missed the final lines:spoiler (click to show/hide)Anakin -"The time has come for you to rise, Rey."
Yoda - "The force is one with you"
Obi Wan -"You are with us, Rey."
Luke -"Your fears are gone, you are a Jedi now."
Leia -"Rise, Rey, it is your destiny."
Ezra Bridger -"We are one with the force."
Ahsoka Tano -"The force is one with us."
Maz Kanata -"Your final steps are here."
Ben Solo -"Rey, I love you."Then Rey says "I know. " and kills Palpatine. :lol :lol :lol[close]
I can't tell what's real and what's parody anymore.
Another banger Mandolorian episode, wishspoiler (click to show/hide)they didn't go to Tatooine though, kinda lame :-\
Seeing those little droid leftovers from Ep1 was fun[close]
Amy Sedaris outta nowhere
Leaked Star Wars dialog:spoiler (click to show/hide)Anakin -"The time has come for you to rise, Rey."
Yoda - "The force is one with you"
Obi Wan -"You are with us, Rey."
Luke -"Your fears are gone, you are a Jedi now."
Leia -"Rise, Rey, it is your destiny."
Ezra Bridger -"We are one with the force."
Ahsoka Tano -"The force is one with us."
Maz Kanata -"Your final steps are here."
Ben Solo -"Rey, I love you."Then Rey says "I know. " and kills Palpatine. :lol :lol :lol[close]
Leaked Star Wars dialog:spoiler (click to show/hide)Anakin -"The time has come for you to rise, Rey."
Yoda - "The force is one with you"
Obi Wan -"You are with us, Rey."
Luke -"Your fears are gone, you are a Jedi now."
Leia -"Rise, Rey, it is your destiny."
Ezra Bridger -"We are one with the force."
Ahsoka Tano -"The force is one with us."
Maz Kanata -"Your final steps are here."
Ben Solo -"Rey, I love you."Then Rey says "I know. " and kills Palpatine. :lol :lol :lol[close]
I always turn it off before that final award ceremony. It feels so cheesy and corny. I know that huge swell of John Williams in your face is supposed to move you but when you strip that away it seems so out of place.
I always turn it off before that final award ceremony. It feels so cheesy and corny. I know that huge swell of John Williams in your face is supposed to move you but when you strip that away it seems so out of place.
I hope you don’t ..
Yeah, this is awful beyond words.Solo was such a weird experience in the theater. I remember thinking while watching it that, “I feel like I’m enjoying this much more than any of the other nu-Star Wars,” but it’s the first one where I also felt seeing it on the big screen did not enhance any of the high points in action.
I am eternally grateful to the guys who preserved the original movies in 4k quality so I never have to watch the garbage editions again. Project 4k80 (restoration of Empire Strikes Back) is currently underway, Star Wars and Return of the Jedi have already been released (and they look beautiful). I just hope that eventually they'll create an HDR version, too (which they said was possible).
By the way, I have not reserved a ticked for The Rise of Skywalker. No desire to see it at this time.
It's probably going to be the second Star Wars movie I won't watch in a cinema (after Solo, which actually turned out to be good).
Why is there a ROTJ 4K demaster before Empire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo
Everyone was laughing back then but Palpy's back and everyone's wondering how he survived the Death Star II and got better...
The answer is obvious: The Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center. :duh
The Chancellor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center, sometimes shortened to ChanPal SuRecon Center, crowned one of the tallest buildings on Coruscant. During the Clone Wars, it was also known as the Grand Republic Medical Facility or simply as the Grand Medical Facility. It later became known as the Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center, being commonly referred to as the EmPal SuRecon Center. It was an imposing spire that dominated its particular stretch of the Galactic City—later Imperial City—skyline.
Why is there a ROTJ 4K demaster before Empire
Was there really anything egregious in Empire? Most of the changes were fairly benign [or even a net positive], unless I've forgotten something, unlike some of the really noticeable changes in New Hope and Jedi.
Why is there a ROTJ 4K demaster before Empire
Was there really anything egregious in Empire? Most of the changes were fairly benign [or even a net positive], unless I've forgotten something, unlike some of the really noticeable changes in New Hope and Jedi.
This is it, for some odd reason Lucas never really fucked with Empire. There were some touched up effects shots, and continuity changes but that's it (Boba Fett and Sheev replaced with prequel actors)
https://twitter.com/ScottWamplerBMD/status/1204521460276113409
Everything George Lucas has said about his theoretical Star Wars sequel trilogy
...
THE PARTS OF LUCAS’ EPISODE 7 THAT DIDN’T MAKE THE CUT
One small detail we know about the story of the later Lucas trilogy is that it would have focused on diving into the “microbiotic world,” where viewers would learn more about the Force and the way it works. Lucas planned to dig deeper into the science of midi-chlorians, the biological explanation for the Force that was first mentioned (and contended with by fans) in The Phantom Menace.
For James Cameron’s 2018 Story of Science Fiction book, Lucas explained that his trilogy would have focused on “the Whills,” an ancient life form that fed on the Force. According to Lucas, the Whills essentially “are the Force.” The midi-chlorians within Force-sensitive beings communicate directly with the Whills, allowing the super-powerful beings to control the galaxy.
“Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we’re just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in […] We’re vessels for them,” Lucas said.
Quote from: https://www.polygon.com/2019/12/10/21005059/george-lucas-star-wars-sequel-trilogy-plot-charactersEverything George Lucas has said about his theoretical Star Wars sequel trilogy
...
THE PARTS OF LUCAS’ EPISODE 7 THAT DIDN’T MAKE THE CUT
One small detail we know about the story of the later Lucas trilogy is that it would have focused on diving into the “microbiotic world,” where viewers would learn more about the Force and the way it works. Lucas planned to dig deeper into the science of midi-chlorians, the biological explanation for the Force that was first mentioned (and contended with by fans) in The Phantom Menace.
For James Cameron’s 2018 Story of Science Fiction book, Lucas explained that his trilogy would have focused on “the Whills,” an ancient life form that fed on the Force. According to Lucas, the Whills essentially “are the Force.” The midi-chlorians within Force-sensitive beings communicate directly with the Whills, allowing the super-powerful beings to control the galaxy.
“Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we’re just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in […] We’re vessels for them,” Lucas said.
:brain :lucas :brain
:trashQuote from: https://www.polygon.com/2019/12/10/21005059/george-lucas-star-wars-sequel-trilogy-plot-charactersEverything George Lucas has said about his theoretical Star Wars sequel trilogy
...
THE PARTS OF LUCAS’ EPISODE 7 THAT DIDN’T MAKE THE CUT
One small detail we know about the story of the later Lucas trilogy is that it would have focused on diving into the “microbiotic world,” where viewers would learn more about the Force and the way it works. Lucas planned to dig deeper into the science of midi-chlorians, the biological explanation for the Force that was first mentioned (and contended with by fans) in The Phantom Menace.
For James Cameron’s 2018 Story of Science Fiction book, Lucas explained that his trilogy would have focused on “the Whills,” an ancient life form that fed on the Force. According to Lucas, the Whills essentially “are the Force.” The midi-chlorians within Force-sensitive beings communicate directly with the Whills, allowing the super-powerful beings to control the galaxy.
“Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we’re just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in […] We’re vessels for them,” Lucas said.
:brain :lucas :brain
aT lEast gEOrGe LUcaS tRiEd tO do sOMethIng diFferENt
I dislike the new Emperor scene. I know it makes sense continuity wise. But the change looks well lame and doesn’t fit. I hate the way the Emperor looks in the prequels, very corny. It also looks like you stuck a 2005 movie scene into an 80s film. The color coding, texture, and so on look off.Why is there a ROTJ 4K demaster before Empire
Was there really anything egregious in Empire? Most of the changes were fairly benign [or even a net positive], unless I've forgotten something, unlike some of the really noticeable changes in New Hope and Jedi.
It's true.Quote from: https://www.polygon.com/2019/12/10/21005059/george-lucas-star-wars-sequel-trilogy-plot-charactersEverything George Lucas has said about his theoretical Star Wars sequel trilogy
...
THE PARTS OF LUCAS’ EPISODE 7 THAT DIDN’T MAKE THE CUT
One small detail we know about the story of the later Lucas trilogy is that it would have focused on diving into the “microbiotic world,” where viewers would learn more about the Force and the way it works. Lucas planned to dig deeper into the science of midi-chlorians, the biological explanation for the Force that was first mentioned (and contended with by fans) in The Phantom Menace.
For James Cameron’s 2018 Story of Science Fiction book, Lucas explained that his trilogy would have focused on “the Whills,” an ancient life form that fed on the Force. According to Lucas, the Whills essentially “are the Force.” The midi-chlorians within Force-sensitive beings communicate directly with the Whills, allowing the super-powerful beings to control the galaxy.
“Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we’re just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in […] We’re vessels for them,” Lucas said.
:brain :lucas :brain
aT lEast gEOrGe LUcaS tRiEd tO do sOMethIng diFferENt
6 episodes in and I can sort of see and understand what The Mandalorian is and isn't. It's a good show. Not a great show. It's a safe show. The first few episodes kind of tricked me as I thought it may end up being darker than I expected which would be a good thing but it really isn't that. It's very traditional when it comes to TV. It's honestly not that far removed from something like Bonanza or the myriad of TV westerns that existed in the past. It tries to give a darker and more sinister under-pinning to things, but that aspect is mostly there to sort of make it seem like a more post modern show where critically praised TV nowadays is obligated to be morally ambiguous and gritty.
These kind of sounds like disses but I really don't mean it that way. This is a solid show for Star Wars fans. If you are not a star wars fan, I'm not sure this show has a lot to offer to a person to make it must watch, but its nice comfort food for a star wars fan and that's not a bad thing. This baby yoda thing seems like it will stretch on for quite awhile (seasons if not the entire run of the show) which isn't my ideal plotline but it is what it is. With a few tweaks and creative choices it could have been pretty great but I think we'll have to settle for good since I have a feeling Disney isn't gonna take the creative risks to push it there. And once again nothing wrong with good. I settle in and watch an episode every week and mostly find myself enjoying each of them.
TPM is on TNT and I'm so confused. The plot still doesn't make sense to me.TPM was like half and half. There are scenes with outlines around actors. IIRC, Lucas later said that he started it too early (in terms of that, not like story or anything) and technology didn't quite reach the point they expected. Also theaters weren't as up to date as expected they learned from the Special Editions. AOTC isn't all digital either, but it's close to nearly so. There was something like they weren't sure how objects at a certain distance from the camera or something would show up because I guess that was a big TPM problem. In the deleted scenes/etc. you can see like there will randomly be a built/painted/etc. pillar or something in the middle of a green room. Or Anakin and Obi-Wan will be sitting on a green box and there's like a random panel prop attached to it. I think they digitally drew over most of them though.
But I'm also confused at how often the CGI characters look clean and everything else looks like rear projection and 80s optical effects with dirty plates. Sometimes the droids look practical, other times they look more realistic in The Clone Wars. Wasn't this all digital? Night scenes look especially bad and blurry.
https://youtu.be/-vL4I0CNGUshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHmdGZp8LuY
last Jedi is totally gonna be this trilogy’s empire(https://i.imgur.com/CuV8LqS.gif)
6 episodes in and I can sort of see and understand what The Mandalorian is and isn't. It's a good show. Not a great show. It's a safe show. The first few episodes kind of tricked me as I thought it may end up being darker than I expected which would be a good thing but it really isn't that. It's very traditional when it comes to TV. It's honestly not that far removed from something like Bonanza or the myriad of TV westerns that existed in the past. It tries to give a darker and more sinister under-pinning to things, but that aspect is mostly there to sort of make it seem like a more post modern show where critically praised TV nowadays is obligated to be morally ambiguous and gritty.
These kind of sounds like disses but I really don't mean it that way. This is a solid show for Star Wars fans. If you are not a star wars fan, I'm not sure this show has a lot to offer to a person to make it must watch, but its nice comfort food for a star wars fan and that's not a bad thing. This baby yoda thing seems like it will stretch on for quite awhile (seasons if not the entire run of the show) which isn't my ideal plotline but it is what it is. With a few tweaks and creative choices it could have been pretty great but I think we'll have to settle for good since I have a feeling Disney isn't gonna take the creative risks to push it there. And once again nothing wrong with good. I settle in and watch an episode every week and mostly find myself enjoying each of them.
last Jedi is totally gonna be this trilogy’s empire
last Jedi is totally gonna be this trilogy’s empire
The dead speak! The galaxy has heard a mysterious broadcast,
a threat of REVENGE in the sinister voice of the late EMPEROR PALPATINE.
GENERAL LEIA ORGANA dispatches secret agents to gather intelligence,
while REY, the last hope of the Jedi, trains for battle against the diabolical FIRST ORDER.
Meanwhile, Supreme Leader KYLO REN rages in search of the phantom Emperor,
determined to destroy any threat to his power…
spoiler (click to show/hide)Kylo turns good at the end of act one
Rey dies in the beginning of the second act
Kylo brings Rey back to life
As Rey wakes up Kylo kisses her
Kylo says he sensed Rey wanted to be with him,, Rey responds she wanted to be with Ben
Kylo gets pep talk with force ghost Han Solo
Han Solo has an emotional moment with Kylo where they say they love each other
Kylo goes out to kill Palpatine towards the end of act 2
Palpatine force lightnings Kylo down a hole
Rey meets Palpatine, not much happens, Palpatine tries using force lightning and she simply deflects it back at him
Palpatine dies, according to everyone speaking on it, very suddenly
Rey goes to Tatooine, on the way there Finn tries to confess his love for her, but he holds back
Apparently Rey says something about having more feelings for Finn than Poe or Kylo[close]
lmao what is this horseshit CW garbaggio
let's redeem ginger first order shouting man next
why are they redeeming kylo jesus fucking christ::)
all they had to do was let kylo stay an asshole and give him some kind of goal for the third film and had him die like the shithead he is. but i guess literally every person is cool deep down except for palpatine. let's redeem ginger first order shouting man next
Not only do those spoilers not sound consistent from movie to movie, they aren't even consistent within just the spoilers themselves.spoiler (click to show/hide)Rey kisses and says she wants to be with Ben, but later she has more feelings for Finn than any Ben or Poe?[close]
:what
Yes let's friendzone the major black character to make sure he's even more pathetic :lol
last Jedi is totally gonna be this trilogy’s empire
wait whatspoiler (click to show/hide)Kylo turns good at the end of act one
Rey dies in the beginning of the second act
Kylo brings Rey back to life
As Rey wakes up Kylo kisses her
Kylo says he sensed Rey wanted to be with him,, Rey responds she wanted to be with Ben
Kylo gets pep talk with force ghost Han Solo
Han Solo has an emotional moment with Kylo where they say they love each other
Kylo goes out to kill Palpatine towards the end of act 2
Palpatine force lightnings Kylo down a hole
Rey meets Palpatine, not much happens, Palpatine tries using force lightning and she simply deflects it back at him
Palpatine dies, according to everyone speaking on it, very suddenly
Rey goes to Tatooine, on the way there Finn tries to confess his love for her, but he holds back
Apparently Rey says something about having more feelings for Finn than Poe or Kylo[close]
lmao what is this horseshit CW garbaggiospoiler (click to show/hide)So he both kisses her back to life and falls down in a hole never t be seen again?[close]
I'mma keep it real with y'all. I thought TLJ was kinda wack but in never subverted expectations nor was it wack because of it. But this sounds both like it subverts expectations and fucking sucks :lolspoiler (click to show/hide)That happens several scenes later.
Kylo apparently doesn't talk much in this movie ""cinematic"", he kills the Knights of Ren while going to Palpatine effortlessly. He talks to the emperor very briefly where we see that Snoke is being mass-produced cloned as the new Emperor. The emperor than uses force lightning to blast him quickly down a hole where he dies.[close]
spoiler (click to show/hide)Kylo turns good at the end of act one
Rey dies in the beginning of the second act
Kylo brings Rey back to life
As Rey wakes up Kylo kisses her
Kylo says he sensed Rey wanted to be with him,, Rey responds she wanted to be with Ben
Kylo gets pep talk with force ghost Han Solo
Han Solo has an emotional moment with Kylo where they say they love each other
Kylo goes out to kill Palpatine towards the end of act 2
Palpatine force lightnings Kylo down a hole
Rey meets Palpatine, not much happens, Palpatine tries using force lightning and she simply deflects it back at him
Palpatine dies, according to everyone speaking on it, very suddenly
Rey goes to Tatooine, on the way there Finn tries to confess his love for her, but he holds back
Apparently Rey says something about having more feelings for Finn than Poe or Kylo[close]
lmao what is this horseshit CW garbaggio
that's just not a conclusion any reasonable viewer would come to
Let's put the LOST guy in charge of Star Wars. :lol
spoiler (click to show/hide)And the "ginger guy" that made the Hitler speech? Whose character was cartoonishly evil and impotent as an "own" to 'modern fascist youth'?
Dude was a Resistance spy the whole time :pika[close]
spoiler (click to show/hide)And the "ginger guy" that made the Hitler speech? Whose character was cartoonishly evil and impotent as an "own" to 'modern fascist youth'?
Dude was a Resistance spy the whole time :pika[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)Not the whole time. He just hates Kylo and wants to bring him down. So since the end of TLJ.[close]
What happens to Leia?
spoiler (click to show/hide)There's no answer for this, but if Palps was behind everything, why is he desperately trying to re-brand all of Snoke's shit? :lol
And why did he re-brand it all when Snoke started up anyways? Seems to me that'd cost a lot of money/effort that'd be better spent elsewhere.
Also where the fuck did he get the cash for all this?
"Oh but cash doesn't matter in Star W-" Yeah except 50% of the last movie was an anti-capitalist side quest in pursuit of scarce resources.[close]
spoiler (click to show/hide)There's no answer for this, but if Palps was behind everything, why is he desperately trying to re-brand all of Snoke's shit? :lol
And why did he re-brand it all when Snoke started up anyways? Seems to me that'd cost a lot of money/effort that'd be better spent elsewhere.
Also where the fuck did he get the cash for all this?
"Oh but cash doesn't matter in Star W-" Yeah except 50% of the last movie was an anti-capitalist side quest in pursuit of scarce resources.[close]
Don't know if Snoke was privy to the particulars of The Contingency, but all of the "I built this" is just things proceeding according to keikaku.
As for money, they do have immensely powerful weaponry and traveled to spaces unknown. One would assume some combination of piracy and slavery until they had sound fiscal policy.
*He doesn't know about the budgetary constraints that forced Lord Vader to drink through a straw for the rest of his days. ::)spoiler (click to show/hide)There's no answer for this, but if Palps was behind everything, why is he desperately trying to re-brand all of Snoke's shit? :lol
And why did he re-brand it all when Snoke started up anyways? Seems to me that'd cost a lot of money/effort that'd be better spent elsewhere.
Also where the fuck did he get the cash for all this?
"Oh but cash doesn't matter in Star W-" Yeah except 50% of the last movie was an anti-capitalist side quest in pursuit of scarce resources.[close]
Don't know if Snoke was privy to the particulars of The Contingency, but all of the "I built this" is just things proceeding according to keikaku.
As for money, they do have immensely powerful weaponry and traveled to spaces unknown. One would assume some combination of piracy and slavery until they had sound fiscal policy.
shut up, nerd
e: "During this time, he had been investing in expensive resources used to seed the Unknown Regions with storehouses, shipyards, and laboratories, a fact known only to Emperor Palpatine and an elect assembled by Palpatine." -The Last Jedi novelization
I've read enough spoilers of other media and then seen the real thing afterward to know that sometimes things that sound wack as fuck end up working in the final product, execution mattersTrue but:
These early reviews are going to set the expectations so low that people will come out of the movie thinking it was just okay.Valerian was better than the Last Jedi. There I said it. But that doesn't say much.
I mean shit, I see people now claiming that Valarian was a misunderstood, fun, sci-fi romp.
Imagine if Trevorrow was to direct this like he was supposed to.The Jurassic World movies are more consistent than Star Wars. :doge
It could've been an even bigger turd! :lawd
Imagine if Trevorrow was to direct this like he was supposed to.The Jurassic World movies are more consistent than Star Wars. :doge
It could've been an even bigger turd! :lawd
I'd be willing to call the last Jurassic World movie, the worst movie i've ever seen, with a budget above 2 million dollars (just to rule out obvious B-tier garbage).Imagine if Trevorrow was to direct this like he was supposed to.The Jurassic World movies are more consistent than Star Wars. :doge
It could've been an even bigger turd! :lawd
Valerian is exactly the same shit as 5th Element.
If you like one, you probably like the other.
I liked Valerian, but i agree with that.Valerian is exactly the same shit as 5th Element.
If you like one, you probably like the other.
Love 5th Element. Didn't care for Valerian. And I even made sure to see it stoned. Oh well. Chemistry between the main girl and guy just didn't do it for me in Valerian.
I just can't fuck with Luc Besson making sci fi for whatever reason.It's some corny shit, but he kinda nails the vibe of the French Sci Fi comics i used to read as a kid.
I was spoiled on TLJ and thought it sounded good, didn't see it till it was out on VOD and thought it was bad cause of how it executed it's ideas.
That was surprising as I genuinely think Rian Johnson is a good director, JJ fucking sucks 99% of the time so I don't doubt it'll be just as awful in execution as it reads on paper.
This whole thing is insanely mismanaged. Yeah, George Lucas didn't have a plan with the OT either but him being in charge of all three meant at least it would move coherently from movie to movie. Here you had a bad director who is a little too obsessed with mystery boxes start it off on the safest ground possible, a weirdo director who either doesn't like SW or didn't care to make one outside of experimenting with it but not really committing to any of his ideas while somehow still evoking the OT's scenes and ending a trilogy in the second part, now the first director is back to try and pull out an ending out of thin air by retconning ideas people actually liked in TLJ even if they didn't like the movie.
It's a complete mess. They're better than the prequels, which isn't hard as those three movies are on a level of awful you can only find in movies yet to leave the VHS format. But as a trilogy they don't really fit in to each other very well.
Man TLJ is kinda wack but nothing is as bad as prequel material. The cognitive dissonance when comparing the prequels to Disney's own flaccid attempts make no sense to me.
Like have y'all seen Attack Of The Clones? That shit was as putrid as putrid gets.
we don't need to rake over how shit the prequels were, but at least they had some sort of coherent narrative, even if the execution was wack.
if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly. i couldn't begin to tell you what the point of the new films are.
we don't need to rake over how shit the prequels were, but at least they had some sort of coherent narrative, even if the execution was wack.i'll believe you if you can explain the what the trade war was, the purpose of obiwan and quigon going to where it was they found anakin, and why the jarjar dudes were fighting in TPM without looking it up online
if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly. i couldn't begin to tell you what the point of the new films are.
They're coherent in that the point of the films is to show us how Darth Vader and the Empire happened. Now they very may well have done a shit job of this with bad acting and bad scripts but you still generally know why these movies exist. I still don't really know what the point of the Disney movies are, aside from retelling the og trilogy in a 'first as tragedy then as farce' situation.
The thing that bugs me the most about The Mandalorian that I haven't see anyone bring up really is that it's lineage isn't samurai films or even classic lucas movies. It's the fucking Clone Wars cartoons. Every single Mandalorian episode so far feels like someone just shot Clone Wars/Clone Wars Saga storyboards. The way the show uses music cues, the way the camera follows action, the humor and even the characters all scream Clone Wars cartoon to me. I feel like I'm watching a live action cartoon.funny enough, this sounds like what lucas always wanted tbh
They're coherent in that the point of the films is to show us how Darth Vader and the Empire happened. Now they very may well have done a shit job of this with bad acting and bad scripts but you still generally know why these movies exist. I still don't really know what the point of the Disney movies are, aside from retelling the og trilogy in a 'first as tragedy then as farce' situation.
That's the biggest thing I think with pretty much every single thing SW related since Disney took over. They refuse to actually move forward. All this new talent/actors etc and all they've done is have them play dress up and go through the same myths and narrative idea Lucas was doing 30 years ago...but worse.
I wouldn't be surprised if Disney really leans into and starts just repackaging all the EU stuff they threw out. You're already seeing a little of this happen as diehard sw dudes seem to be enjoying some of the stuff being told in darkhorse comics, the reaction to fallen order and so on.
class questlines in TOR are the best star wars stories in the last decade :jebThe thing that bugs me the most about The Mandalorian that I haven't see anyone bring up really is that it's lineage isn't samurai films or even classic lucas movies. It's the fucking Clone Wars cartoons. Every single Mandalorian episode so far feels like someone just shot Clone Wars/Clone Wars Saga storyboards. The way the show uses music cues, the way the camera follows action, the humor and even the characters all scream Clone Wars cartoon to me. I feel like I'm watching a live action cartoon.funny enough, this sounds like what lucas always wanted tbh
we don't need to rake over how shit the prequels were, but at least they had some sort of coherent narrative, even if the execution was wack.i'll believe you if you can explain the what the trade war was, the purpose of obiwan and quigon going to where it was they found anakin, and why the jarjar dudes were fighting in TPM without looking it up online
if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly. i couldn't begin to tell you what the point of the new films are.
i legit cannot remember anything about AOTC other than sand is coarse and the arena fight plus flippy yoda at the end
e: was AOTC the one with daddy boba fett and the weird stretched out aliens that made all the stormtroopers? or was that in the third one?
Well plus Thrawn was made into a big fucken deal in Rebels a few years back, that's what I really think kicked off the EU re-imports.
Yeah the live-action cartoon, I didn't really mean it as a dig it's just now what I expected going in and it took me a couple eps to clock what I was feeling but that's where I've settled. A Clone Wars/Rebels spin-off they just decided to shoot instead of animate.
I'm not even into MMOs but I thought TOR was really underrated.i go back to it when they release new story expansions every few years (one just came out a few months ago, i need to check it out) but they are all pretty good. two expansions ago they did a semi-world reset cause your character got frozen in carbonite for five years and an evil empire took over (lol of course).
Maybe I should check it out again. Ironically it's literally the only pre-Disney Star Wars property that is still running (since switching to F2P I think it started being really profitable, so at least Disney isn't that dumb to eject profitable things.)
The old EU still lives on, officially, at least in one capacity.
I'm not even into MMOs but I thought TOR was really underrated.i go back to it when they release new story expansions every few years (one just came out a few months ago, i need to check it out) but they are all pretty good. two expansions ago they did a semi-world reset cause your character got frozen in carbonite for five years and an evil empire took over (lol of course).
Maybe I should check it out again. Ironically it's literally the only pre-Disney Star Wars property that is still running (since switching to F2P I think it started being really profitable, so at least Disney isn't that dumb to eject profitable things.)
The old EU still lives on, officially, at least in one capacity.
but also the game is still run by ea so it is the most nickle and dimey f2p i've ever played. they make you pay for binding spells to keys/clicks and to remove your helmet in a game that tells the whole story by showing your character's face all time, so it's easier to just subscribe :lol
if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly.
I was spoiled on TLJ and thought it sounded good, didn't see it till it was out on VOD and thought it was bad cause of how it executed it's ideas.
That was surprising as I genuinely think Rian Johnson is a good director, JJ fucking sucks 99% of the time so I don't doubt it'll be just as awful in execution as it reads on paper.
This whole thing is insanely mismanaged. Yeah, George Lucas didn't have a plan with the OT either but him being in charge of all three meant at least it would move coherently from movie to movie. Here you had a bad director who is a little too obsessed with mystery boxes start it off on the safest ground possible, a weirdo director who either doesn't like SW or didn't care to make one outside of experimenting with it but not really committing to any of his ideas while somehow still evoking the OT's scenes and ending a trilogy in the second part, now the first director is back to try and pull out an ending out of thin air by retconning ideas people actually liked in TLJ even if they didn't like the movie.
It's a complete mess. They're better than the prequels, which isn't hard as those three movies are on a level of awful you can only find in movies yet to leave the VHS format. But as a trilogy they don't really fit in to each other very well.
No way is TLJ "better" than the prequels. They're on the same level.
The thing that bugs me the most about The Mandalorian that I haven't see anyone bring up really is that it's lineage isn't samurai films or even classic lucas movies. It's the fucking Clone Wars cartoons. Every single Mandalorian episode so far feels like someone just shot Clone Wars/Clone Wars Saga storyboards. The way the show uses music cues, the way the camera follows action, the humor and even the characters all scream Clone Wars cartoon to me. I feel like I'm watching a live action cartoon.The guy who does the cartoons is a creative on the show, tbh I love his work. The thing that actually bothers me the most about this show is the Mandalorians do not behave anything like the Mandalorians we get to know in the cartoons/canon
What happens to Leia?
Man TLJ is kinda wack but nothing is as bad as prequel material. The cognitive dissonance when comparing the prequels to Disney's own flaccid attempts make no sense to me.
Like have y'all seen Attack Of The Clones? That shit was as putrid as putrid gets.
#jjabramsisoverparty
The Mandalorians in The Mandalorian don't seem that different from the Death Watch adherents?Post clone wars the Mandalorians get a bunch of development in Rebels. Also if they evolved from the death watch one of those fellows should have the deathsaber
I still can’t believe that there was a major subplot in Star Wars about how you shouldn’t question authority because being a hot shot is bad or something toxic masculinity Trump is bad respect women. And people defended it.
if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly.
I have yet to understand like Christopher Lee's role in all of it - I think he's supposed to be a main villain, but really... who the fuck was his character? :lol And what meaning the robot guys in Episode 1 had in the movie, let alone in the rest of the series. Or what the emperor's plan was other than to get shot in the face. Also there's giant flies that build the Death Star? It was a convoluted mess of a narrative, much more than the new movies.
adult anakin should have went back to podracing and owned!(https://i.imgur.com/ekiMMDe.png)
The Mandalorians in The Mandalorian don't seem that different from the Death Watch adherents?Post clone wars the Mandalorians get a bunch of development in Rebels. Also if they evolved from the death watch one of those fellows should have the deathsaber
oh yeah my head canon was they were a clan i've never seen before and this is their way. post civil war the mandos were a lot more unified tho.The Mandalorians in The Mandalorian don't seem that different from the Death Watch adherents?Post clone wars the Mandalorians get a bunch of development in Rebels. Also if they evolved from the death watch one of those fellows should have the deathsaber
I watched Rebels.
My point was that they're not that alien from a Death Watch salafist, not that they are the heirs to Death Watch. The shows established that they're a very disunited people who have contradictory beliefs.
I have yet to understand like Christopher Lee's role in all of it - I think he's supposed to be a main villain, but really... who the fuck was his character? :lol And what meaning the robot guys in Episode 1 had in the movie, let alone in the rest of the series. Or what the emperor's plan was other than to get shot in the face. Also there's giant flies that build the Death Star? It was a convoluted mess of a narrative, much more than the new movies.Lucas killed Darth Maul in the first movie so he needed a second villain.
In the wake of this there are going to be a lot of people trying to assign blame.
Be it JJ Abrams, Disney, Gamergate, China, SJWs, Nintex, etc. someone will be said to have ruined the Star War. But I am here to reveal to you all something.
IT WAS ME AUSTIN, IT WAS ME ALL ALONG
Finally my long plot of revenge against the world for its absurdly high reception of Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness is complete. Especially the period post-ID's release where they were the two highest reviewed films of the franchise and where they remain the two highest Metacritic Trek films and two highest grossing Trek films. Much like Palpatine I threw you all off the scent just to strike back at you with a nonsensical plan in the end! Tremble before my UNLIMITED POOOWWWWWWWEEEEERRRRRRR! I AM THE SENATE! THIRD MEME REFERENCE!
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is what happens when a franchise gives uphttps://www.vox.com/culture/2019/12/18/21021188/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-review-no-spoilers
The new movie is a colossal failure of imagination.
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is the Force ghost version of a moviehttp://share.ew.com/4D5thKV
Review: The Rise of Skywalker—and the Fall of Funhttps://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review
J.J. Abrams's Star Wars trilogy-ender is too desperate to be loved to take any real risks.
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is an entertaining but deeply flawed final chapter that ultimately plays it too safe.https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/12/18/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review?sf114475186=1
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Review: A Disappointing End To The Skywalker Sagahttps://www.cinemablend.com/reviews/2486987/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review-a-disappointing-end-to-the-skywalker-saga
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Review - A Galactic Disappointmenthttps://www.gamespot.com/reviews/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review-a-galactic-/1900-6417383/
Yeah the live-action cartoon, I didn't really mean it as a dig it's just now what I expected going in and it took me a couple eps to clock what I was feeling but that's where I've settled. A Clone Wars/Rebels spin-off they just decided to shoot instead of animate.
Rise of Skywalker has a lower rating on RT than Attack of the Clones. :neogaf
Rise of Skywalker has a lower rating on RT than Attack of the Clones. :neogaf
It shouldn't, since it just means that Star Wars movies have very over-inflated RT ratings.
I watched TLJ last night. The Finn/Rose casino planet plotline is completely redundant prequel-tier garbage but I quite like the rest. The Luke/Rey/Kylo plot is great.
I'm seeing ROS tomorrow evening and am expecting a glorious clusterfuck.
BAHAHAHA
THE THING WE KNEW AFTER TLJ CAME TO PASS
STAR WARS IS DEAD!
LONG LIVE THE WAR OF THE STARS!
I'm curious how anyone who liked TLJ possibly thought that the next movie could be anything other than a trainwreck.
:whew
BAHAHAHA
THE THING WE KNEW AFTER TLJ CAME TO PASS
STAR WARS IS DEAD!
LONG LIVE THE WAR OF THE STARS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQL0h2TNJG0
:jeb
And yet, ‘The Rise of Skywalker; is as much metafiction as Johnson’s film was. Rather than asking questions about what we really want from a series like “Star Wars,” and whether we’re ready to allow our childhood fictions to grow with us, J.J. Abrams and crew decide to lean on the emotional warmth of reunions, friendships, redemptions, and goodbyes. There is some heartfelt value here, or at least, some of it does admittedly produce some anthemic feels, but it doesn’t hold much weight. Ultimately Abrams, taking this epic ship in for one last seat-of-its pants landing and says definitively, that there are no questions to ask, that it’s all just glossy entertainment, and that we can recycle the same ideas over and over for decades into the future and beyond. [C]
If you don't care for spoilers, go to star wars leak on reddit.
I'm laughing my ass off, tbh.
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the universe is still interesting
the universe is still interesting
If the universe were so interesting why did they make two failed trilogies? Star Wars should have never left the confines of the original trilogy.
If you don't care for spoilers, go to star wars leak on reddit.
I'm laughing my ass off, tbh.
I'm curious how anyone who liked TLJ possibly thought that the next movie could be anything other than a trainwreck.
If you don't care for spoilers, go to star wars leak on reddit.
I'm laughing my ass off, tbh.:lol This writing is worse than anime.spoiler (click to show/hide)The Sheev: "You can't defeat me, i'm all of the Sith!"
Rey: "And i'm all of the Jedi"
*she sends the lightning back at him*[close]
This should've been called "Star Wars episode IX: All of the Jedi"
the universe is still interesting
If the universe were so interesting why did they make two failed trilogies? Star Wars should have never left the confines of the original trilogy.
Ehh, it's more like the original trilogy had much more talented people working alongside George Lucas. And with this new trilogy, JJ Abrhams is a fucking boring hack.
Extended universe stuff for Star Wars up to a certain point was fantastic. Disney being involved with Star Wars? Not only do the movies suck, extended universe stuff amounts to baby Yoda memes.
the universe is still interesting
If the universe were so interesting why did they make two failed trilogies? Star Wars should have never left the confines of the original trilogy.
Ehh, it's more like the original trilogy had much more talented people working alongside George Lucas. And with this new trilogy, JJ Abrhams is a fucking boring hack.
Extended universe stuff for Star Wars up to a certain point was fantastic. Disney being involved with Star Wars? Not only do the movies suck, extended universe stuff amounts to baby Yoda memes.
Star Wars is rebel vs empire, light vs dark, that's it. In what way is that universe so limiting interesting? This is why Star Wars is a shadow of itself outside of the original trilogy. Things that do unique things and have unique things to say about Star Wars (KOTOR 2) are the rare and few exceptions, not the norm. An interesting universe has many things to say rather than reuse material because you're beholdened to some idea of what you *should* be.
the universe is still interesting
If the universe were so interesting why did they make two failed trilogies? Star Wars should have never left the confines of the original trilogy.
It's the other way around, all the interesting stuff exists outside the movies, but all of that only exists because the (bad) movies keep the intellectual property alive so hopefully they keep making more bad but profitable movies.
I can only imagine what Star Trek would look like if it never moved beyond Kirk/Spock/Klingons.
the universe is still interesting
If the universe were so interesting why did they make two failed trilogies? Star Wars should have never left the confines of the original trilogy.
Ehh, it's more like the original trilogy had much more talented people working alongside George Lucas. And with this new trilogy, JJ Abrhams is a fucking boring hack.
Extended universe stuff for Star Wars up to a certain point was fantastic. Disney being involved with Star Wars? Not only do the movies suck, extended universe stuff amounts to baby Yoda memes.
Star Wars is rebel vs empire, light vs dark, that's it. In what way is that universe so limiting interesting? This is why Star Wars is a shadow of itself outside of the original trilogy. Things that do unique things and have unique things to say about Star Wars (KOTOR 2) are the rare and few exceptions, not the norm. An interesting universe has many things to say rather than reuse material because you're beholdened to some idea of what you *should* be.
My conclusion is still the same after TLJ and Rogue One: Star Wars sucks balls outside of the original trilogy.
But maybe my opinion will change once I see Mandalorian.
If you don't care for spoilers, go to star wars leak on reddit.
I'm laughing my ass off, tbh.:lol This writing is worse than anime.spoiler (click to show/hide)The Sheev: "You can't defeat me, i'm all of the Sith!"
Rey: "And i'm all of the Jedi"
*she sends the lightning back at him*[close]
This should've been called "Star Wars episode IX: All of the Jedi"
the universe is still interesting
If the universe were so interesting why did they make two failed trilogies? Star Wars should have never left the confines of the original trilogy.
Ehh, it's more like the original trilogy had much more talented people working alongside George Lucas. And with this new trilogy, JJ Abrhams is a fucking boring hack.
Extended universe stuff for Star Wars up to a certain point was fantastic. Disney being involved with Star Wars? Not only do the movies suck, extended universe stuff amounts to baby Yoda memes.
Star Wars is rebel vs empire, light vs dark, that's it. In what way is that universe so limiting interesting? This is why Star Wars is a shadow of itself outside of the original trilogy. Things that do unique things and have unique things to say about Star Wars (KOTOR 2) are the rare and few exceptions, not the norm. An interesting universe has many things to say rather than reuse material because you're beholdened to some idea of what you *should* be.
My conclusion is still the same after TLJ and Rogue One: Star Wars sucks balls outside of the original trilogy.
But maybe my opinion will change once I see Mandalorian.
Pretty reductionist argument. The movies add a lot of detail that is barely touched that other authors expand on. That's why the OT and specially the prequels are so interesting, because they're a blank canvas for other creatives to expand on. And the thing is: Lucas actually respected those creators and liked to tie-in his lore with others inputs. The result was an interesting lore ecosystem.
If you don't care for spoilers, go to star wars leak on reddit.
I'm laughing my ass off, tbh.:lol This writing is worse than anime.spoiler (click to show/hide)The Sheev: "You can't defeat me, i'm all of the Sith!"
Rey: "And i'm all of the Jedi"
*she sends the lightning back at him*[close]
This should've been called "Star Wars episode IX: All of the Jedi"
"rey did you ever hear the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise?"
"shut up old man" *lightsaber throw*
All they needed to do to explain Palpatine is name drop Darth Plagueis' discovery of immortality.
That would actually be a neat callback.
And get one director for the whole trilogy so it doesn’t end up looking like a fight between two directors and Disney again.The original trilogy had three different directors. And they came up with the script just before shooting each time. Lucas came up with the Vader/Luke connection at the end of writing Empire, and Return of the Jedi was basically written from a list of ideas by four dudes sitting around needing a script asap.
I wonder if they'll back out of the Obi Wan series like they dropped extra films after TLJ response.
Ironically, Obi Wan might really be their only hope to salvage the franchise :lol
Revenge Of The Sith is at 80% on there?? :lol :rofl
That's some garbo shit.
JJ screwed up when he destroyed the entire New Republic in two seconds by Darth Vader cosplayers who somehow had the resources to build a 100x bigger and more powerful Death Star that no one knew about.
JJ screwed up when he destroyed the entire New Republic in two seconds by Darth Vader cosplayers who somehow had the resources to build a 100x bigger and more powerful Death Star that no one knew about.
although when you think about it this way, if the new republic is recovering and things are getting better but evil is simmering under the surface as sith forces start trying to insidiously worm their way in to undermine the governments
instead of retreading the OT you're retreading the prequels :kobeyuck
But at least the prequels build it up. This was just “nothing really mattered in the OG trilogy” which is worse if you think about it.it's okay though because now none of it really mattered plot wise
TDKR CIA guy :lawd
But at least the prequels build it up. This was just “nothing really mattered in the OG trilogy” which is worse if you think about it.
JJ screwed the entire thing up from the start when he wrote the entire universe into an Obi-Wan sits around and ages extra fast plot hole.wait what? can you refresh my memory on this one?
JJ screwed the entire thing up from the start when he wrote the entire universe into an Obi-Wan sits around and ages extra fast plot hole.wait what? can you refresh my memory on this one?
JJ screwed up when he destroyed the entire New Republic in two seconds by Darth Vader cosplayers who somehow had the resources to build a 100x bigger and more powerful Death Star that no one knew about.
although when you think about it this way, if the new republic is recovering and things are getting better but evil is simmering under the surface as sith forces start trying to insidiously worm their way in to undermine the governments
instead of retreading the OT you're retreading the prequels :kobeyuck
Alternate timelines are probably the most alienating thing you can do to fans and normal people. Even bore forums posters can't remember who count dooku is
limp dick lightsabersman :rejoice
giant flies?if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly.
I have yet to understand like Christopher Lee's role in all of it - I think he's supposed to be a main villain, but really... who the fuck was his character? :lol And what meaning the robot guys in Episode 1 had in the movie, let alone in the rest of the series. Or what the emperor's plan was other than to get shot in the face. Also there's giant flies that build the Death Star? It was a convoluted mess of a narrative, much more than the new movies.
The Rise of Skywalker is a bad movie and a miserable finale that serves no purpose other than to reassure adult fans of the original Star Wars that they are still the “chosen ones” of the pop culture galaxy.
every star war has an inflated rt score
Some guy walking past by me on the street, ranting something on the phone along the lines of "but then she died, but then some stupid kiss..." :doge
Sounds like I can wait for this one to come to Netflix.
All they needed to do to explain Palpatine is name drop Darth Plagueis' discovery of immortality.
That would actually be a neat callback.He literally, no fooling, says this line to Kylo Renhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIHF8Xe-O6Y[close]
Honestly I can't believe there isn't an entire force ghost Skywalker (plus Obi) family scene or shot in this. I'm talking Hayden Anakin, Natalie Portman Padme, Luke and Liea, maybe Anakin's mom, and Ewan Obi Wan giving Rey a nice smile and wave. That seemed like something JJ wouldn't be able to resist."If you wanna be Woman Thor, there something you gotta sign, first..."
lol it's below Jumanjii
i've seen worse films, but i'm not sure i've seen a more desperate one. it's like a frantic loser's last plea when getting dumped by someone way out of their league, begging them to remember all the good times and how everything they've got means soo much.
the clive barker/hammer horror palps is a proper laugh though, chewing every possible bit of scenery while being zipped around by his massive pneumatic mobilty arm. the characters talking around leia like she's a mostly mute puppet and interpreting every throwaway line they had left on the cutting room floor as something massively significant is also a right rib tickler if utterly morbid at the same time.
reading the plot points and leaks doesn't quite convey the smash cut reductiveness of how the whole farce comes together. something will be suggested, executed and already forgotten about by the time you've even gauged whats supposed to be happening. characters introduced and then 15 minutes later you're supposed to invested in their relationship with the boring protaganists or plot that you've stopped bothering trying to keep up with while you've already forgotten their name. so many big attempts at emotional payoffs that borrow all their weight from films that had nothing to do with this vapid charade, like your parents couldn't afford the real star wars toys so got you some off brand ones and expect you to not tell the difference.
the fact the ending apes the victory shots of ROTJ to the point where ewoks are pointing at the explosions in the sky celebrating is a masterful comment on just what a pointless waste of time this whole sorry endeavour was.
i did probably enjoy it more than the last two if purely because of the massively OTT B movie moments or plot contrivances that genuinely had me laughing out loud, like ed wood meets ancient aliens.
So really the sequel trilogy kills the theme that Anakin was the chosen one, because clearly he did not bring balance to the force, nor did his progeny.
Palpatine is the true chosen one.
:jeb
at least we'll be spared the usual nit picking over plot holes. it dispenses so completely and shamelessly with any concept of narrative coherecy or believable world building that there would be no point.
:rejoice Cindi we eating :jeb
On the bright side, Mandalorian episode was pretty good.
On the bright side, Mandalorian episode was pretty good.
The return of Death Troopers. :lawd (Rogue One da gawd)
Shitty ass cliffhanger ending. :goty
Easy way to fix this- what did JJ do with Star Trek? He made it take place in an alternate timeline.
So just make a new trilogy that ignores this last one and retcons it to have taken place in an alternate universe or some shit. SW nerds love that extended universe stuff, right? Go with that.
Fuckin pre-ordered IMAX tickets for this shit :-\
A whole trilogy created and it's probably going to fade from memory as quickly as any other modern Disney film
can't even look at my $300 kylo lightsaber just feels wrong :(
(I don't own one, I'm an adult.)
He probably borrows his mom's. :lolcan't even look at my $300 kylo lightsaber just feels wrong :(
(I don't own one, I'm an adult.)
I mean, in this economy you just have to rent.
can't even look at my $300 kylo lightsaber just feels wrong :(
(I don't own one, I'm an adult.)
I mean, in this economy you just have to rent.
I was looking at wookiepedia to see what it had to say about my boi Emperor Sheevy Deevy and came across an article about Operation: Cinder that explains that before the battle of endor, Palpers had a vision of Snoke taking over the empire and began setting forth a plan to start building/amassing weapons in the outer rim or whatever the fuck its called in Star Wars lore because he felt the empire should die if he were to die and had plans to make sure the empire was destroyed after he died by getting a small group of empire nerds to like...kill everyone to make it seem like the empire was truly dead and gone but in reality they would go to the outer limits so they could....rebuild the empire. The plan was for his group to lure both the remaining empire nerds and the rebels to Jakku, which would be blown up by dumping a bunch of sith artifacts into a telescope or something that would blow up the planet and kill all the remaining people, then his group would escape to the suburbs and rebuild the empire. That he wanted everyone to think was dead because he was dead. For reason.You can play the story of Operation Cinder in EA Star Wars Battlefront II.
But you know, he wasn't dead. So.
:What
:beli
:lol
This is canon, btw.
https://twitter.com/xBrandonGPx/status/1206634795842883584
One bit that’s going to trigger a lot of TLJ fans:spoiler (click to show/hide)Rey goes to Ach-To and tries to throw away the Skywalker lightsaber. Luke’s Force ghost appears and catches it, and admonishes her that such a weapon deserves more respect than that.[close]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPvEJjNNPp4
The video from the Twitter clip
This title crawl explains that Coruscant was attacked and Palpatine was kidnapped!...off screen. What the fuck, man? Now yeah, you're supposed to watch the Clone Wars cartoon to see that stuff happening, and it's really cool in that show. But come the fuck on dude, if I'm showing someone these movies for the first time this is the dumbest shit ever. This incredibly significant event is just not shown at all. Honestly, that would've been a really fucking cool intro to the movie.
it's more like being told a story by your kid. you don't grill your 8 year old on why the evil man who was thrown down a hole into the exploding core of a space station is still alive and able to build a giant fleet of spaceships on his own from his secret planet, because you'd be an idiot to expect a proper answer.THE HELL I DON'T :rage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPvEJjNNPp4
The video from the Twitter clip
This video:QuoteThis title crawl explains that Coruscant was attacked and Palpatine was kidnapped!...off screen. What the fuck, man? Now yeah, you're supposed to watch the Clone Wars cartoon to see that stuff happening, and it's really cool in that show. But come the fuck on dude, if I'm showing someone these movies for the first time this is the dumbest shit ever. This incredibly significant event is just not shown at all. Honestly, that would've been a really fucking cool intro to the movie.
:gladbron
there are now two completely separate instances of really significant events involving Palpatine being stated in the opening text crawl, but left out of the movie because it occurred off-screen in spinoff entertainment media (https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/ecr8em/from_the_title_crawl_the_dead_speak_the_galaxy/)
I wonder if they'll back out of the Obi Wan series like they dropped extra films after TLJ response.
Ironically, Obi Wan might really be their only hope to salvage the franchise :lol
The Mandalorian is doing pretty good, isn’t it? And Star Wars Fallen Order seems to be way more beloved than Battlefront.
They may trying just focusing in transition Eras rather than deal with the film timelines.
Revenge Of The Sith is at 80% on there?? :lol :rofl
That's some garbo shit.
https://twitter.com/xBrandonGPx/status/1206634795842883584
The Emperor stuff is all from the EU basically. It's almost literally how he came back then only shortened up to fit into the first ten minutes of a single movie rather than multiple story-arcs.
The Emperor stuff is all from the EU basically. It's almost literally how he came back then only shortened up to fit into the first ten minutes of a single movie rather than multiple story-arcs.
Eh Palps in the EU was usually a clone right? Or that's what I remember. And this one very (almost conspicuously) explicitly isn't.JJ doesn't seem like a big "text reader" if you know what I mean. I'd have to look at Dark Empire again since it's been decade plus but the shots of Kylo entering the darkened room of clones felt like a Snyder panel revisualization.
Remember when Grievius was a OP Jedi killer and in Revenge of the Sith he got killed by a blaster while coughing?
This was when Lucas was in charge. Now imagine a giant corporation that could care even less than him.
Remember when Grievius was a OP Jedi killer and in Revenge of the Sith he got killed by a blaster while coughing?
This was when Lucas was in charge. Now imagine a giant corporation that could care even less than him.
What a flopza. I bet we see Disney try to remake A New Hope within the next decade in an attempt to salvage the franchise.The future of Star Wars is TV series, games, toys, licensing and smaller scale "Story" movies like we had with Solo and Rogue One.
Worst movie I've seen in my life.after some of the stuff we watched together :lol
What a flopza. I bet we see Disney try to remake A New Hope within the next decade in an attempt to salvage the franchise.
People would totally watch an animated re-imagining of A New Hope.
Remember when Grievius was a OP Jedi killer and in Revenge of the Sith he got killed by a blaster while coughing?
This was when Lucas was in charge. Now imagine a giant corporation that could care even less than him.
He isn't even that badass in Clone Wars. :lol
How do you know he farted tho
I wonder if you can just skip TLJ and do TFA -> TROS and not notice any difference.
Saw the movie. Really the issues with it aren’t so much the movie but the fact that Kathleen Kennedy can’t plan a trilogy worth shit. She essentially gave the team a bunch of threads and was like “tie these all off in one movie” of course it’s gonna fail. Her ass should be soo fired
I wonder if you can just skip TLJ and do TFA -> TROS and not notice any difference.
Kylo and Rey should have had a Force fuck session in TLJ and the final movie would be about their weird tantric intergalactic edging sessions.
I see people saying Ryan took risks and JJ played it safe.
if by taking risks we talk about sidetracking in a casino not to find anything worthwhile (unlike pod racers and uh... the fucking chosen one), destroying the lore of how hyperspeed works (at least make up the excuse it was a prototype ship and they found a way to make it resist a certain amount of time within the jump to become a weapon), killing a villain that was never compelling to begin with (Why the fuck does his name sound like it's a fucking pillow brand, at least be Darth Syphilis or Darth Krokodil), supposedly killing Leia (a great scene of how Kylo tries to be something he's not and it happens anyways), but only to have her fucking "Poochie back to home planet" back into the ship... okay, RISKS.
But Skywalker sounds like it not only yeets TLJ, but also makes all 8 movies (or 10, I guess) that came before it pointless.
the sequel trilogy may suffer from a lack of horny, but this thread sure doesn't.
I took full body pics today. In the nude of course to properly capture my cuts and leg muscles as well. Should I post them?
If there’s a streaming link to a cam any one knows of dm me bb :-*
the sequel trilogy may suffer from a lack of horny, but this thread sure doesn't.
I took full body pics today. In the nude of course to properly capture my cuts and leg muscles as well. Should I post them?
I wonder if you can just skip TLJ and do TFA -> TROS and not notice any difference.
Rey wasn't even trained. That's the weird shit about it. Luke refused to properly train her so she just went ahead and did her morning routines herself.I wonder if you can just skip TLJ and do TFA -> TROS and not notice any difference.
The only thing you miss is Luke's "death" (lol). TLJ is a fucking insult to viewers, Star Wars fan or not (<---I'm in this camp).
It's fucking plot points beyond Rey's training and her meeting Kylo could safely be yeet'd out the airlock and nothing would change.
"BUT PEOPLE HATE ROSE BECAUSE SHE'S UGLY!"
Nah, I "hate"/dislike Rose because she added nothing to the movie. You could yeet her out of the movie and have Poe there for FinnPoe/Stormpilot shippers and the fucking casino heist shit would've been just as useless.
But hey, it gave us Leia using the Force to survive the vacuum of Space, so it's not ALL bad...
Also maybe put the brakes on the whole production when you literally pass the baton to the next guy and his first reaction is to look at the baton, fart and chuck it into the sea.
Hard to understate the damage TLJ did to a seemingly unstoppable money printing machine.
Looper was pretty cool. Star Wars is just a void sucking up any sort of creativity. Where "let the past die" gets reactions of "wow so profound and new"
I won't post hog pics but I might post censored pics idk
In the original movies luke did a couple pushups in the swamp and that allowed him to compete on equal terms with one of the strongest force user of all time so?
Three weeks of swamp pushups saved him from someone who killed jedis who trained their entire life for fun
no hog
:nsfw
Limited time only
Bold of you to dismiss the gravest political event since Gamergate.SINCE? IT'S ALL CONNECTED, GAMERGATE WAS THE TEST RUN FOR TRUMP WHICH WAS THE TEST RUN FOR ATTACKING THE LAST JEDI, WATCH THIS THREE HOUR VIDEO AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND,
In the original movies luke did a couple pushups in the swamp and that allowed him to compete on equal terms with one of the strongest force user of all time so?
These movies are fucking stupid
My point is not about montages or training but that the idea of any logic needed for kids movies about space wizards is ridiculous
My point is not about montages or training but that the idea of any logic needed for kids movies about space wizards is ridiculous
In the original movies luke did a couple pushups in the swamp and that allowed him to compete on equal terms with one of the strongest force user of all time so?True, but it's more about sending a clear message: "Yes, Yoda is training Luke", such a message was never conveyed in The Last Jedi.
These movies are fucking stupid
:lol @ freddie throwing out the gray jedi concept. i agree but i still like a few of the characters associated with it. kyle katarn :mynicca
remember when luke skywalker went from a guy who flew around his uncle's floating box chevy to the best pilot in the rebel fleet the first time he flew an x wingExcept that if you look back the movie, he wasn't the best pilot.
I blame Tumblr:
https://mobile.twitter.com/rizeofkylo/status/1208008232461049858
LMAOOOOOOOOOO this is the best shit I've seen all week.
My point is not about montages or training but that the idea of any logic needed for kids movies about space wizards is ridiculous
I hate arguments like this. It's a good way to end any discussion. I mean you might as well just close thread. After all, they're just kids movies.
Yes, obviously.
remember when luke skywalker went from a guy who flew around his uncle's floating box chevy to the best pilot in the rebel fleet the first time he flew an x wing
Freddie Prinze Jr. having a banging bikini bod and a better grasp of Star Wars lore than flabby n sick nerdlings. :lawd
If Disney thinks these movies are FOR kids, I think they are mistaken.https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1203905015217377280/pu/vid/640x360/f_tJs0C4FFyz0SS9.mp4?tag=10
Yes the content is family friendly, but ain’t no ten year old begging their parents to take them Rogue One.
(http://i.imgur.com/lFKanLr.jpg)Yes, obviously.
Iron Man: Study on the military industrial complex, war mongers, and terrorism at the end of the Bush era
Hulk: Study on genetic experimenting and the human condition
Thor: A theological and philosophical piece that asks what if gods were real?
Iron Man 2: A character study on addiction and the sins of the father(s)
Captain America: A WW2 movie with a poignant what if the Nazis had a worse splinter group and also eugenics
Uh....I don't even need to do phases 2, 3, 4, or the TV shows, or the Netflix shows, or Disney+ shows, or comic tie ins.
FUCK OOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFF
FACT CHECK: The Phantom Menace is definitely not a movie for kids for like the first hour or however long it takes them to get to Tatooine.i was gonna save this for my Very Special care post after id seen RoS, but whatever.
Thor: A theological and philosophical piece that asks what if gods were real?jesus christ :dead
Anakin Skywalker: Don't lecture me, Obi-Wan! I see through the lies of the Jedi. I do not fear the dark side as you do. I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new Empire.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: Your new Empire?
Anakin Skywalker: Don't make me kill you.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: Anakin, my allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy.
Supreme Chancellor: Remember back to your early teachings. "All who gain power are afraid to lose it." Even the Jedi.
Anakin Skywalker: The Jedi use their power for good.
Supreme Chancellor: Good is a point of view, Anakin. The Jedi point of view is not the only valid one. The Dark Lords of the Sith believe in security and justice, also. Yet that are considered by the Jedi to be...
Anakin Skywalker: Evil?
Supreme Chancellor: The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power. The only difference between the two is that the Sith are not afraid of the Dark Side of the Force. That is why they are more powerful.
Anakin Skywalker: The Sith rely on their passion for their strength. They think inwards, only about themselves.
Supreme Chancellor: And the Jedi don't?
Anakin Skywalker: The Jedi are selfless. They only care about others.
Supreme Chancellor: The fear of losing power is a weakness of both the Jedi and the Sith.
The 2016 novel Star Wars: Bloodline explained how this faction officially reorganized into the "First Order", and that this final transition only occurred about six years before The Force Awakens. By that time, the New Republic Senate had become divided into two parties: the Populists led by Leia Organa, who wanted to decentralize authority, and the Centrists, who wanted power to remain concentrated in a strong central government. Many of the Centrists were former Imperials who admired the old Empire for bringing order to the galaxy, and who feared that without strong central control the New Republic would become as weak and ineffectual as the Old Republic. Ultimately, many Centrist worlds seceded from the New Republic to reunite with the holdout Imperial remnants on the fringe of the galaxy, and formally combined into a new government called "the First Order". First Order conspirators publicly revealed that Leia was in fact the daughter of Darth Vader, severely harming her political standing among the remaining Populists.[4]
The vast majority of the New Republic's worlds remained intact, but with the exodus of the Centrists its Senate became dominated by the remaining Populists, who favored decentralization and demilitarization, not confrontation. Even after these events, most in the remaining Senate were happy to see the Centrists go, feeling that the new First Order still controlled far too few sectors of the galaxy to ever pose a serious threat to galactic peace. In their view, it was easier to just let the Centrist worlds peacefully leave of their own volition and rejoin the Imperial worlds rather than fight a war to keep them by force.
Leia realizes that the Senate is too corrupt to be saved. She calls together some old friends—including Admiral Ackbar and Nien Nunb—as well as Greer, Joph and new "recruits" such as Snap Wexley and Dr. Kalonia to form the Resistance, an underground movement to investigate and fight against the forces amassing to threaten peace in the galaxy.
The Resistance is a fictional resistance movement and private paramilitary force led by General Leia Organa that opposes the First Order in the fictional universe of Star Wars. It is a splinter of the military of the New Republic and takes inspiration from the Rebel Alliance, which had established the democratic New Republic after its war with the Galactic Empire. Many of the senior officers of the Resistance also served in the Rebel Alliance thirty years prior, including General Organa and Admiral Ackbar, while some junior officers had parents who served in the Rebel Alliance, as is the case with Poe Dameron.
The Resistance was a precautionary movement founded by Senator Leia Organa in response to the rise of the First Order, a military dictatorship that rose from the fallen Old Empire in the galaxy's unexplored space, the Unknown Regions, by staunch, loyal former Imperial hardliners. The New Republic did not deem the First Order to be a credible threat, so Senator Organa and several other Rebel veterans, who believed the First Order to be a threat to peace, broke away from the New Republic's military and founded the Resistance to check the First Order.
although I may not entirely know what a ten year old loves since I wanted to go see Star Trek VI in the theatre (AND WE DID) and I wasn't ten yet (AND IT WAS AWESOME)
In the original movies luke did a couple pushups in the swamp and that allowed him to compete on equal terms with one of the strongest force user of all time so?Dude
These movies are fucking stupid
It's even better because Leia's group in The Force Awakens is already NOT PART of the New Republic, which made no sense to me as it's not explained in the movie, apparently it is in this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_BloodlineQuoteThe 2016 novel Star Wars: Bloodline explained how this faction officially reorganized into the "First Order", and that this final transition only occurred about six years before The Force Awakens. By that time, the New Republic Senate had become divided into two parties: the Populists led by Leia Organa, who wanted to decentralize authority, and the Centrists, who wanted power to remain concentrated in a strong central government. Many of the Centrists were former Imperials who admired the old Empire for bringing order to the galaxy, and who feared that without strong central control the New Republic would become as weak and ineffectual as the Old Republic. Ultimately, many Centrist worlds seceded from the New Republic to reunite with the holdout Imperial remnants on the fringe of the galaxy, and formally combined into a new government called "the First Order". First Order conspirators publicly revealed that Leia was in fact the daughter of Darth Vader, severely harming her political standing among the remaining Populists.[4]
The vast majority of the New Republic's worlds remained intact, but with the exodus of the Centrists its Senate became dominated by the remaining Populists, who favored decentralization and demilitarization, not confrontation. Even after these events, most in the remaining Senate were happy to see the Centrists go, feeling that the new First Order still controlled far too few sectors of the galaxy to ever pose a serious threat to galactic peace. In their view, it was easier to just let the Centrist worlds peacefully leave of their own volition and rejoin the Imperial worlds rather than fight a war to keep them by force.QuoteLeia realizes that the Senate is too corrupt to be saved. She calls together some old friends—including Admiral Ackbar and Nien Nunb—as well as Greer, Joph and new "recruits" such as Snap Wexley and Dr. Kalonia to form the Resistance, an underground movement to investigate and fight against the forces amassing to threaten peace in the galaxy.QuoteThe Resistance is a fictional resistance movement and private paramilitary force led by General Leia Organa that opposes the First Order in the fictional universe of Star Wars. It is a splinter of the military of the New Republic and takes inspiration from the Rebel Alliance, which had established the democratic New Republic after its war with the Galactic Empire. Many of the senior officers of the Resistance also served in the Rebel Alliance thirty years prior, including General Organa and Admiral Ackbar, while some junior officers had parents who served in the Rebel Alliance, as is the case with Poe Dameron.
The Resistance was a precautionary movement founded by Senator Leia Organa in response to the rise of the First Order, a military dictatorship that rose from the fallen Old Empire in the galaxy's unexplored space, the Unknown Regions, by staunch, loyal former Imperial hardliners. The New Republic did not deem the First Order to be a credible threat, so Senator Organa and several other Rebel veterans, who believed the First Order to be a threat to peace, broke away from the New Republic's military and founded the Resistance to check the First Order.
I do think a lot of criticism of Rey comes from a slightly misogynistic angle. My friend yesterday was complaining about how she's awful and how she has no flaws, everyone loves her, and is super good at everything. How it's because Kathleen Kennedy forced this. Which is really dumb as if Kathleen Kennedy was pushing such an extreme woke you'd think we'd have a female director by now. Clearly my friend watches shit like Midnight Eye on Youtube. I don't think Rey is an amazing character. She's not well written or anything. Then again Luke does go from farm boy to ace X-Wing pilot.
Such a problem is easily fixable too.
Take Cal Kestis in EA's game for example. He's also on a scrapyard like Rey but he has a mentor guiding and teaching him.
Not in the force, but useful skills, plus he was being trained as a Jedi in the past.
If Rey had some sort of teacher and wasn't a loner on a sand planet.... perhaps Saw could've teached her,
that would've made her connection to Saw stronger and established her place in the grand scheme of things.
Now she just happens to climb around a scrapyard, having no friends, parents, teachers or literally anyone to teach her anything.
It's like the character came into existence suddenly as an adult scrapper on Jakku having no connection to her environment.
Even something as simple as her saying: "I used to have a teacher, he passed away" would've been enough to create some sort of mysterious figure who teached her all those things.
I don't think any other Gundam main character struggles with piloting the Gundam or has as built in excuse for knowing how to pilot it as Amuro. And each main show pilot does "cooler" things with thier Gundams then Amuro ever did. Because after 20+ years the desire to get to cool shit is shorter and the cooler shit needs to be more extreme. It's also not bound by the same limitations of 20 years ago.
I'm not going to defend Rey as an amazing character, because I do not care and find all the characters shitty and underwritten. My point though was that it really is more in line with modern movie making and the fact that these movies exists as sequels in the first place that you get Rey as she is presented today. These movies are not going to cheapen out on spectacle. They are not going to slow down an show a slow progression of the force. They are going to outdo whats already been done in a multi million dollar spectacle that they think people want from Star Wars.
She drives the Falcon on a planet with Gravity? Who fucking cares, I never think of how science works in Star Wars. Besides, it's already made clear she knows about space ship technology. She works to salvage ship parts. Also did you expect the 2015 Star Wars movie to have a quaint action movie were they struggle to pilot the Falcon and only slightly are able to hover it above the desert? No, thats stupid.
Who does she beat with her staff? Well seeing as how the planet she's on seems pretty crap, I'd hope she'd be pretty good with it. She beat Kylo Ren? Oh you mean the guy hurt from being shot with Chewy's weapon that in a action previously seemed to pack a punch like a shotgun? Even in that fight, it's not like she showed any real understanding of how to fight with her lightsaber. It looked like a street brawl.
How did she know to pull the compressor? I mean the dialogue itself says she was aware of the person who installed it. Also how does a mechanic know where things are on tons of different makes of cars. Probably because they have some familiarity with the general makes of vehicles and can spot elements of them. I'm not sure how it's a surprise of someone to spot things about space ships when they probably scavenge plenty of parts off of them so the higher ups can repuruorpse them.
But in the end who cares? She's not a great character. None of the new cast is. They are all poorly developed, nothing characters. And my point is really that is because these movies are made from such a different angle that it really hurts them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F1d3QWsyk0
still good
I saw Terminator II in theaters when I was 10.
And I had seen Terminator prior. My cheap add parents didn’t want to get babysitters so they just took me to everything.
Rey blows. I supported her in TFA and defended her being good at the lightsaber the first time she uses it but TLJ does nothing for her character or growth. She doesn't grow at all like Luke did, nor does she suffer from adversity. She really is a Mary Sue.Don't forget about Trinity, the real hero of the Matrix in all that leather and of course Olivia Wilde in TRON. :drool
What's funny is how people are making a big deal out of a female hero when I grew up with Storm, Jean Grey, Aerith, Yuna, Celes Chere, and Captain Janeway. Who cares, big whoop. Star Wars isn't breaking new ground by casting a female heroine and I hate that people act like it is.
It's not about Rey being exceptional. Characters can be exceptional. The problem is that at no point was she connected to anything in the movie as a character until the heroes showed up on Jakku.I don't really agree with this. Heroic characters don't have to follow the hero's journey template and it's clear in TFA the character is a big JJ Abrams mystery box. Now I think JJ is kind of a hack and in the end his work is rather shallow and lacking it's own real identity, trading on nostalgia. He just is able to package it well....until you take a second to look at it. But it's clear that the character was supposed to come off unnatural. Jakku not being her "home" and her embracing that she needs to leave is her character arc. She is'nt connected to anything, because she's not supposed to be there. Characters in the movie are confused and startled by her(Maz asking Han whats her deal, Kylo being surprised and startled by her presence, Luke's Lightsaber "calling" to her). Her having a Mentor or any real connection there would work aginst what they probably wanted to do with her.
This is story telling / hero's journey 101. It happens in media all the time. It takes literally one line to connect a character to the universe the movie is portraying in an 'EA' way and they simply left that out.
Mass Effect Andromeda for all its faults, still managed to connect the characters to the narrative. Even Hobbs and Shaw managed to do this with new characters.
I read that in an early draft with some of Lucas ideas Rey was Luke's grandchild named Keera or Kira. Would've made a ton more sense to connect the characters in such a way.
Found a decent enough cam, why is Vader's burned helmet still smoldering? It's been 40 fucking years since his funeral pyre :dead
I let out a resounding yawn during the third act. That about sums it up.
I was spoiled on TLJ and thought it sounded good, didn't see it till it was out on VOD and thought it was bad cause of how it executed it's ideas.
That was surprising as I genuinely think Rian Johnson is a good director, JJ fucking sucks 99% of the time so I don't doubt it'll be just as awful in execution as it reads on paper.
This whole thing is insanely mismanaged. Yeah, George Lucas didn't have a plan with the OT either but him being in charge of all three meant at least it would move coherently from movie to movie. Here you had a bad director who is a little too obsessed with mystery boxes start it off on the safest ground possible, a weirdo director who either doesn't like SW or didn't care to make one outside of experimenting with it but not really committing to any of his ideas while somehow still evoking the OT's scenes and ending a trilogy in the second part, now the first director is back to try and pull out an ending out of thin air by retconning ideas people actually liked in TLJ even if they didn't like the movie.
It's a complete mess. They're better than the prequels, which isn't hard as those three movies are on a level of awful you can only find in movies yet to leave the VHS format. But as a trilogy they don't really fit in to each other very well.
Whatever. JJ saved the franchise by making it credible to claim that it’s really been the Palpatine Saga all along.I'd like to point out that this is canon in the Disney Star Wars Universe:
Whatever. JJ saved the franchise by making it credible to claim that it’s really been the Palpatine Saga all along.
Did I miss something with the Sith dagger? It said their target was in the ruins of the Death Star II, which means it had to be created after the Death Star crashed. Who made this dagger? I’d presume the tracking device was in possession of Vader or Palpatine, and they died, so who knew to even make this dagger?
Yoda says “the greatest teacher failure is” in The Last Jedi, and what JJ learned from the failure of The Last Jedi is that the series was about Sheev the whole time.
Wow, just caught up on the past two weeks of the relationship thread and that was WAY better than this movie. The degeneration of Atra into a vile hormone-driven animal has been an incredibly compelling narrative arc.
Did I miss something with the Sith dagger? It said their target was in the ruins of the Death Star II, which means it had to be created after the Death Star crashed. Who made this dagger? I’d presume the tracking device was in possession of Vader or Palpatine, and they died, so who knew to even make this dagger?
my favourite thing about lando is when naomi ackie says "i don't know where i'm from" lando gives her sex eyes and says "well let's find out".
i'm not sure if it's supposed to be that he's still a galactic letch at the age of 90 odd but i can't think of any other way it can be read.
Did I miss something with the Sith dagger? It said their target was in the ruins of the Death Star II, which means it had to be created after the Death Star crashed. Who made this dagger? I’d presume the tracking device was in possession of Vader or Palpatine, and they died, so who knew to even make this dagger?
I think Disney underestimated star war nerds and was hoping these films would move the franchise from something people deeply care about (for better or worse) to product to be consumed then moved on from like the marvel films :brain
But Kevin Feige has had success with the MCU? :confused
Episode IV – A New Hope (1977)Average time between films 3 years.
Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
Episode VI – Return of the Jedi (1983)
Episode I – The Phantom Menace (1999)Lucas started writing EP1 in 1994. They did the "Shadows of the Empire" thing to hold over fans while they were working on TPM.
Episode II – Attack of the Clones (2002)
Episode III – Revenge of the Sith (2005)
Episode VII – The Force Awakens (2015)Disney bought Star Wars in 2012. Average time between films 2 years not counting Solo, Rogue One and cancelled projects also in development.
Episode VIII – The Last Jedi (2017)
Episode IX – The Rise of Skywalker (2019)
Well she was drunk for most of TLJ and I don't think it added any ruffian charm to herI never felt any of the cast members were a problem for the films.
One key fuck up in the star war no one talks about is how daisy Ridley being a posh tart was the wrong choice to play a character who should’ve had loads of ruffian charm.
One key fuck up in the star war no one talks about is how daisy Ridley being a posh tart was the wrong choice to play a character who should’ve had loads of ruffian charm.
I think the key fuck up with Rey is that she was too powerful way too early. She basically kicked Kylo's ass in the first movie without even breaking a sweat. So now the whole battle between Kylo and Rey just seems pointless. The outcome seems nothing but a formality. Essentially they tried to appeal to the 'woke' demographic by making Rey super kick ass to the detriment of Rey's overarching character arc. Of course Vader was stronger than Luke at the beginning of the original Stars Wars movies, but they should have made Kylo at least Rey's equal. That said, The Last Jedi did some things that made the relationship between Kylo and Rey in some way interesting. Towards the end of the movie though they managed fuck even that up, so.
One key fuck up in the star war no one talks about is how daisy Ridley being a posh tart was the wrong choice to play a character who should’ve had loads of ruffian charm.
I think the key fuck up with Rey is that she was too powerful way too early. She basically kicked Kylo's ass in the first movie without even breaking a sweat. So now the whole battle between Kylo and Rey just seems pointless. The outcome seems nothing but a formality. Essentially they tried to appeal to the 'woke' demographic by making Rey super kick ass to the detriment of Rey's overarching character arc. Of course Vader was stronger than Luke at the beginning of the original Stars Wars movies, but they should have made Kylo at least Rey's equal. That said, The Last Jedi did some things that made the relationship between Kylo and Rey in some way interesting. Towards the end of the movie though they managed fuck even that up, so.
Yep.
But if you call her a Mary Sue you're a misogynist lol. Total BS.
And given the reveal in TROS of her true nature, even dumber.
Disney must've scrubbed that clean from the internet
Wait as sec
Shouldn't Rey now be possessed by the spirit of Palpatine/all siths/EVULS for killing him? Like...that was his plan and what he wanted all along, right?
Disney must've scrubbed that clean from the internet but she had some sort of therapy to deal with anxiety issues after the fame TFA brought her.
It's on a private torrent site some of us use here
pm me your e-mail for an invite
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Captain Janeway.:dunno
One key fuck up in the star war no one talks about is how daisy Ridley being a posh tart was the wrong choice to play a character who should’ve had loads of ruffian charm.
I think the key fuck up with Rey is that she was too powerful way too early. She basically kicked Kylo's ass in the first movie without even breaking a sweat. So now the whole battle between Kylo and Rey just seems pointless. The outcome seems nothing but a formality. Essentially they tried to appeal to the 'woke' demographic by making Rey super kick ass to the detriment of Rey's overarching character arc. Of course Vader was stronger than Luke at the beginning of the original Stars Wars movies, but they should have made Kylo at least Rey's equal. That said, The Last Jedi did some things that made the relationship between Kylo and Rey in some way interesting. Towards the end of the movie though they managed fuck even that up, so.
Having a sequel series to a concluded story is always going to end up overriding shit and making the things it is a continuation of pointless in the end ( I believe this is a pretty big issue with EU stuff as well), but when you really break down the OT characters and what happens to them post ROTJ :lol
One key fuck up in the star war no one talks about is how daisy Ridley being a posh tart was the wrong choice to play a character who should’ve had loads of ruffian charm.
I think the key fuck up with Rey is that she was too powerful way too early. She basically kicked Kylo's ass in the first movie without even breaking a sweat. So now the whole battle between Kylo and Rey just seems pointless. The outcome seems nothing but a formality. Essentially they tried to appeal to the 'woke' demographic by making Rey super kick ass to the detriment of Rey's overarching character arc. Of course Vader was stronger than Luke at the beginning of the original Stars Wars movies, but they should have made Kylo at least Rey's equal. That said, The Last Jedi did some things that made the relationship between Kylo and Rey in some way interesting. Towards the end of the movie though they managed fuck even that up, so.
Yep.
But if you call her a Mary Sue you're a misogynist lol. Total BS.
And given the reveal in TROS of her true nature, even dumber.
The issue is more than Mary Sue has become a misogynistic term, not that she is one. Why call her a Mary Sue when you can say that she was prevented from growing as a character because she started off unreasonably strong?
Since misogynists started using it to take down any kind of female lead with any kind of significant skill or power. And since the term is uniformly applied as a pejorative for women. For example, Dwayne Johnson and Vin Diesel are mary sues in all their movies, but their powers are explainable by their muscle size.
Also, I can't believe the plot is they got a map to map to a super-secret sith planet. And that first map? Its a dagger.
A dagger with a hidden map that lines up with crash wreckage in the middle of an ocean that you can only see from one specific spot of land. Luckily for our heroes, the 40 years of being smashed with heavy waves did nothing to alter the geography and the key lined up perfectly on the first try.
https://twitter.com/beanytuesday/status/120894247375992832
spoiling palpatine in the opening crawl was pretty shitty
You mentioned Palpatine is the new/old overlord of the Sith and secretly pushed Kylo to be a bad dude for the past 30 years because mind voices and things, but he was never introduced. They just popped in a two sentence explanation in that intro crawl. Like seriously, I know how petty directors can be about only following their vision, but leaving out like five minutes of exposition to show that you don't approve of the previous ending is a really sloppy look and it removed all impact of reintroducing Palpatine.This line was cut from the movie and shown in FORTNITE :lol
In terms of TLJ retcon, I didn't find it retconning but more that I liked what Rian was hinting at with hey it's fucking 2019 and Game of Thrones is the #1 show, fuck black & white Sith & Jedi, let's do something new this trilogy and make a morally grey 3rd choice.
At least we got TLJ, Solo, and Rogue One.
I like the idea that Rey is palatine's granddaughter but in no way does her line deserve to succeed the Skywalker's.
I like the idea that Rey is palatine's granddaughter but in no way does her line deserve to succeed the Skywalker's.
technically the palpatine line is the skywalker line
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back in the 3rd century as new books of the Bible were being released...:larry
Do you think back in the 3rd century as new books of the Bible were being released, people were having similar reactions as they are to Star Wars?
"WTF, now Jesus can walk on water in this one?" "His mother is a virgin now?!"
Do you think back in the 3rd century as new books of the Bible were being released, people were having similar reactions as they are to Star Wars?
"WTF, now Jesus can walk on water in this one?" "His mother is a virgin now?!"
back in the 3rd century as new books of the Bible were being released...:larry
back in the 3rd century as new books of the Bible were being released...:larry
My Bible history is rusty. The third century is when all the "chosen books" were coalesced into the New Testament by Bishop Whatshisname.
:nerds
If there is one thing I can say about the Bible, its that it's nice that you need fewer tie-in novels to understand the whole thing than starwars.it was really annoying when the protestant reformers got the IP and then immediately nixed the hellenistic judaism universe, then went back and just appended those books to the back of the OT anyway
Couldn't get into the christianity universe tbh. Their merchandising game is weak.
Couldn't get into the christianity universe tbh. Their merchandising game is weak.
"We won" by losing? :confused
"We won" by losing? :confused
Official motto of the Democratic party.
I think people are too critical of Kathleen Kennedy (on the internet).That's the thing Kennedy always brings up, that there wasn't enough source material.
The casting was good, the movies looked great, she hired competent directors and gave them the space to do their own thing. She brought on "old hands" (Kasdan, John Williams, etc) to help out with the new movies. She responded to criticism of the fans and tried to fix it in each successive movie. First one was too much like a reboot, so they tried to go a different way in the second one, then when that failed they give the average Star Wars fan more than they could ever want in the third.
I think people look at the rare examples of success (LOTR, Harry Potter, Infinity Wars) of big franchises and assign that same kind of expectations on Star Wars. Not accounting for the dozens of dozens of other wanna-be franchises that bombed or were wildly uneven. Plus, the successful ones were running off of existing established frameworks/storylines. This universe didn't have that, so of course it was going to feel like they were making it up as they went along. Because they were.
Well that "we have nothing to draw from" is obviously bullshit as they've used a ton of EU stuff in the new canon and movies. I'm not really sure why they want people to think that, but nearly everything that's been done with the canon post Disney has been done or is direct adaptations as is of the old EU stuff.She literally said this in an interview last month:
“Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack,” said Kennedy. “There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. we don’t have 800-page novels, we don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be. We go through a really normal development process that everybody else does.”:dizzy
finally get the franchise away from lucas and this is what they do with it :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf
all they really had to do was have mark hamil be a badass jedi master, all I wanted to see out of a new star war :picard
Do you think back in the 3rd century as new books of the Bible were being released, people were having similar reactions as they are to Star Wars?
"WTF, now Jesus can walk on water in this one?" "His mother is a virgin now?!"
* The humor problem with this film has not been overstated. Call it marvel humor or whatever you want, the
I was no fan at all of Rose’s story in TLJ but even I thought how she was treated in TROS was shitty. You bothered to introduce this character, at least give them a death or something.
jj abrahams
jj abrahams
:dead
I was no fan at all of Rose’s story in TLJ but even I thought how she was treated in TROS was shitty. You bothered to introduce this character, at least give them a death or something.
Dude, the idiot was thinking about shooting scenes in space... like, real space.Colin Trevorrow [the Jurassic World guy] was originally supposed to do ROS, but got yeeted because they realized he was actually terrible.
It would be hard to fuck things up worse than what Rian or JJ did.
If he made a big dumb action Star Wars that was fun and remotely coherent on any level - even if stupid - that would be better than this nuclear dumpster fire.
Colin Trevorrow [the Jurassic World guy] was originally supposed to do ROS, but got yeeted because they realized he was actually terrible.
You want a super cool 80s aesthetic you watch cherry 2000 not return of the fucking jedi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR542tQhXJo
The making of doc for AOTC looks like Hayden and Natalie actually have chemistry on and off screen and Hayden is actually a solid actor and Lucas took the absolute worst takes for every scene and that's what he used in the movie.
The making of doc for AOTC looks like Hayden and Natalie actually have chemistry on and off screen and Hayden is actually a solid actor and Lucas took the absolute worst takes for every scene and that's what he used in the movie.Having watched AOTC, ROFT, Jumper and that movie with Jessica Alba where he wakes during surgery... he could've fooled me.
Also, Luke with a green lightsaber in all black is some sexy shit.
You want a super cool 80s aesthetic you watch cherry 2000 not return of the fucking jedi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR542tQhXJo
This looks amazing! Can’t believe I’ve never heard of it. Is it actually worth watching or is it boring?
This looks amazing! Can’t believe I’ve never heard of it. Is it actually worth watching or is it boring?
Putting Clones above ANY movie is grounds for having your opinion mocked.This is America. People died for my right to have an opinion and if that means I want to rank Attack of the Clones above Return of the Jedi you just have to deal with it.
This is the Bore, there are no rights. :'(Putting Clones above ANY movie is grounds for having your opinion mocked.This is America.
I've never been down with Return hate. The movie itself has this super cool 80s asthetic. It looks really gritty in a way none of the others do. The begining is really cool. Jabba's palace is so atmospheric in its dinginess and feels like a cool portion of Star Wars that we parley see. The first action scene is such a cool "getting the gang back together" sequence. I love it. Luke is super cool in this part of the movie. The assault on the Death Star 2 is the the definite Star Wars space battle. All of the Luke stuff is great.
Yeah the Ewoks bring it down, but I still feel there's plenty of cool stuff and great character moments. I like it a lot.
CoolIt's really just despite it having the Ewoks, to me as a kid Return has also had a different look then the other movies. I'd describe it as dirty honestly. Jabba's palace is pretty dingy looking. The rebel alliance looks really run down even more so then the other movies. I don't know it's always looked more "mature to me".
Do you think back in the 3rd century as new books of the Bible were being released, people were having similar reactions as they are to Star Wars?
"WTF, now Jesus can walk on water in this one?" "His mother is a virgin now?!"
one of the most mindblowing things to me was finding out that the new testament basically said to ignore everything in the old testament
i mean, i know "religion lol" and and all, but even then, that's some masterful trolling by god
* The humor problem with this film has not been overstated. Call it marvel humor or whatever you want, the
no joke (ha, get it??), there was probably a grand total of two, MAYBE three times the audience in my theater laughed (for both movies)
made me regain a tiny bit of faith in humanity :rejoice
I've never been down with Return hate. The movie itself has this super cool 80s asthetic. It looks really gritty in a way none of the others do. The begining is really cool. Jabba's palace is so atmospheric in its dinginess and feels like a cool portion of Star Wars that we parley see. The first action scene is such a cool "getting the gang back together" sequence. I love it. Luke is super cool in this part of the movie. The assault on the Death Star 2 is the the definite Star Wars space battle. All of the Luke stuff is great.
Yeah the Ewoks bring it down, but I still feel there's plenty of cool stuff and great character moments. I like it a lot.
All good points but the bad parts drag it way down for me. Flattest acting in the original trilogy, superfluous additions (did Leia really have to be Luke's sister?), mostly subpar action. If they had cut 40 minutes out of this film it might have actually been a good movie.
I think part of it is that I've watched a star wars movie every night for a week because my mom wants to feel more American and I just want it to be over already. And by it I mean my life
Shout out to Disney for making a sequel trilogy to Star Wars that resets the universe to what it was before the end of ROTJ so they could make 3 movies that ends with the same ending as ROTJ.
Yeah, JJ sucks. His best movie, Super 8, was a straight Spielberg rip off. Which in a weird way could work, since if he just straight rips off OG Star Wars people would eat it up and not care.
Why does everyone think that Abrams is doing the entire trilogy?
The language in a lot of posts suggests people think he's doing more than one movie though.
Putting Clones above ANY movie is grounds for having your opinion mocked.https://twitter.com/shujaxhaider/status/1210371110866444288
You can watch this without having seen any previous Star Wars films, it's kinda weird for a 'finale' in that sense.
spoiler (click to show/hide)- In a way this bring Star Wars full circle. Anakin Skywalker was manipulated by Sheev to not be the Jedi he was destined to be but to join the Sith instead. Rey Palpatine was manipulated by Leia/Luke to not be the Sith she was destined to be but join the Jedi instead.[close]
I fucking hate to say this, but I kind of want to read the novelization and see if there are ways this story makes more sense. The dagger and hidden tomb treatment felt like JJ Abrams making a play to be able to handle the Indiana Jones reboot we all know must be coming.The story isn't that far fetched actually. It's just that in the previous movie about 3 things happened and in this movie about 40 things happen within the span of 30 minutes.
I fucking hate to say this, but I kind of want to read the novelization and see if there are ways this story makes more sense. The dagger and hidden tomb treatment felt like JJ Abrams making a play to be able to handle the Indiana Jones reboot we all know must be coming.The story isn't that far fetched actually. It's just that in the previous movie about 3 things happened and in this movie about 40 things happen within the span of 30 minutes.
It felt like that first LEGO movie with just shit happening at mach speed. It's like all previous Star Wars movies thrown in a blender and combined to make whatever this is.
They also don't bother to explain anything. Light speed jumping wtf is that, how do the TIE's follow along with light speed jumping?
Why does it work better than just jumping to light speed and escaping?
Before you can ask yourself about 20 different new things have happened.
I think you mean just ultimate. Unless you think there's a better scene than that.Cindi meant penultimate because Yub Nub :rejoice
TROS is perhaps the biggest contrast between Disney Star Wars and Lucas prequel Star Wars.
It's just shit flying on screen at light speed while AOTC was mostly about people sitting around and talking and even in action scenes it found moments to pause for dialogue.
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TROS is perhaps the biggest contrast between Disney Star Wars and Lucas prequel Star Wars.
It's just shit flying on screen at light speed while AOTC was mostly about people sitting around and talking and even in action scenes it found moments to pause for dialogue.
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this contrast reminds me exactly of this contrast from plinkett (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f83D18xL7VE&feature=youtu.be&t=3241)
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Lol. Rose was legit replaced on the official poster with the stupidest looking alien in all 9 movies that had like 30 seconds of screen time.
That said, I still cannot see why they stan such a character except as a dishonest purity test marker.
It's kind of funny how people who made fun of TLJ haters on Snoke getting wasted are now complaining about wasting Rose.
The only good tweet in that mess is the dude who said Kelly Marie Tran should look for much better work cause star wars has the trashest fanbase alive and Rose as a character wasn't her fault nor should it define her. Hopefully instead of just tweeting her image with a crown emoji Rian Johnson casts her in one of his good movies next time.
Rose is lucky that she isn't dead, because for most of the sub plots they picked the easy way out
Was Rose in TFA? I don't even remember her
Ah ok, so it makes sense Idgaf cause I dont even know her
(Does she have an interesting story or is it just an asian female in star wars lets make something out of this from the fans?)
I think I enjoyed Suicide Squad more tbh.
Like, the writing had so many flaws in it.
- You mentioned Palpatine is the new/old overlord of the Sith and secretly pushed Kylo to be a bad dude for the past 30 years because mind voices and things, but he was never introduced. They just popped in a two sentence explanation in that intro crawl. Like seriously, I know how petty directors can be about only following their vision, but leaving out like five minutes of exposition to show that you don't approve of the previous ending is a really sloppy look and it removed all impact of reintroducing Palpatine.
- In the quicksand, JJ revealed in a QA session that Finn wanted to "confess" that he's force sensitive. Not that he's in love with Rey or that he regrets almost being a deserter or anything like that. I think that they focus-tested how an interracial thing would be received and had to change it at after that scene was filmed. Might explain why the other woman who helps with the horseback raid was black. But then like Billy Dee Williams wants to feel like a man again so they hint that he wants to bang her. It's pretty fucking contrived.
- Why the fuck would she call herself Skywalker when she meets Luke's old ass auntie? That is the peak of entitlement.
At least we got TLJ, Solo, and Rogue One.
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People complain about Rose being marginalized, but DJ didn't even show up in ROTS.
Man, this was such a shitty character.
Re-Introducing old boy in the scrawl was definitely the dumbest thing in all 3 movies.
Saw it. Wasn't terrible. :yeshrug
The prequels are better than these movies btw
I never watched the prequels ( I might have watched half of ep 2 on TBS when I needed something in the background), but feel like I need to go watch them know just to figure out how Palpatine is an immortal and when hisI have some bad news.spoiler (click to show/hide)son comes from.[close]
Honestly Solo is probably the best of the Disney movies
The MCU is probably never, ever, going to explain or deal with how the world dealt with half the universe returning to life, five years later, and the trauma this should cause.
Uh, yeah. The new one.Saw it. Wasn't terrible. :yeshrug
This could apply to any of Disney's SW films, you'll have to be more specific. I'm assuming Rise of Skywalker?
Honestly Solo is probably the best of the Disney movies
It really is and sadly I didn't watch it until recently due to how shit 8 was. I would have taken a Solo trilogy over what we got in a heartbeat.
The MCU is probably never, ever, going to explain or deal with how the world dealt with half the universe returning to life, five years later, and the trauma this should cause.
This is a pretty silly thing to expect. It was already a theme in Far from home and we will probably see it in Wandavision (at least the Vision being dead dead), the next ant man and proably hawkeye tv show.
This is a pretty silly thing to expect. It was already a theme in Far from home and we will probably see it in Wandavision (at least the Vision being dead dead), the next ant man and proably hawkeye tv show.Totally do not care about the heroes who know what happened/died in battle/their successors, and probably shouldn't count TV shows either after they done my girl Jessica dirty, but I would look forward to anything that shows the very slowly rebuilding ruins of Earth, emotionally ruined families and collapsed societies. I figured that they would just do a bunch of space/magic movies and then come back to Earth already back to normal without explanation.
This is a pretty silly thing to expect.
It was already a theme in Far from home and we will probably see it in Wandavision (at least the Vision being dead dead), the next ant man and proably hawkeye tv show.
a Disney+ show which I would pirateFACT CHECK: It's copyright infringement. :ufup
QuoteThis is a pretty silly thing to expect.
That kinda of ruin the emotional impact of that film, doesn’t it. :doge
Tony Stark’s death was more traumatic to the universe than half of the people vanishing and coming back 5 years later.
You da real Snyder Cut, benji. Everybody keeps asking for you to show up but with each passing day I doubt your existence.And not knowing me allows us to pretend I'm not awful. :jeb
Did you... did you just contradicted your own initial statement?
Did you... did you just contradicted your own initial statement?
How so?
Leia having to bail out and form a PMCbecause of your participation in certain other threads I keep reading this as "professional managerial class"
So did the 7/10 Rogue One end up being the best Disney Wars movie somehow?
So did the 7/10 Rogue One end up being the best Disney Wars movie somehow?
I mean, it introduced a set cast of new characters,
decently paced
a somewhat logical plot,
a scary version of Vader,
Did you... did you just contradicted your own initial statement?
How so?
You just said that it was foolish to expect any reaction while mentionining reactions in the Spiderman film and you expecting reactions in the Disney+ stuff. :doge
Why the fuck Vader and Carrie Fisher were in the movie?? This is the like the one thing to not complain about.
Hi, welcome to Star Wars.
It was boring until people shoot lasers.
No, that was benjipwns position which I was arguing against.
Miss reading posts and not being able to follow simple MCU stories in a single post is a bad look.
QuoteWhy the fuck Vader and Carrie Fisher were in the movie?? This is the like the one thing to not complain about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmxv2ySbLZc
:leon
The MCU is probably never, ever, going to explain or deal with how the world dealt with half the universe returning to life, five years later, and the trauma this should cause.
This is a pretty silly thing to expect. It was already a theme in Far from home and we will probably see it in Wandavision (at least the Vision being dead dead), the next ant man and proably hawkeye tv show.
This is a pretty silly thing to expect.
QuoteThis is a pretty silly thing to expect.
That kinda of ruin the emotional impact of that film, doesn’t it. :doge
Tony Stark’s death was more traumatic to the universe than half of the people vanishing and coming back 5 years later.
I admit I have not seen Far From Home and forgot about it and that one is supposed to be in "Phase Four" and also that I thought it was set before Endgame like Homecoming was set before Civil War or whatever it came after. How much Michael Keaton is in it?
The whole movie is "remember star wars". A movie with a slavish attention to recreating the look of the original trilogy and having elements that fit into some unmade puzzle. Why would adding elements for continuity to establish that this leads right into Episode 4 be a problem. I mean the movies point was "how did they get the Death Star plans".QuoteWhy the fuck Vader and Carrie Fisher were in the movie?? This is the like the one thing to not complain about.
What does them being in the film add to the plot or the themes of that film beyond "member star wars?".
The whole movie is "remember star wars". Why would adding elements for continuity to establish that this leads right into Episode 4 be a problem. I mean the movies point was "how did they get the Death Star plans".QuoteWhy the fuck Vader and Carrie Fisher were in the movie?? This is the like the one thing to not complain about.
What does them being in the film add to the plot or the themes of that film beyond "member star wars?".
benji said they will probably never deal with the ramifications of the blip. I said this was a silly thing to expect given the supporting evidence that 1) it was already a minor part of a movie already out and 2) the next set of tv shows and movies seem like they will deal with this. There is no contradiction there.
benji said they will probably never deal with the ramifications of the blip. I said this was a silly thing to expect given the supporting evidence that 1) it was already a minor part of a movie already out and 2) the next set of tv shows and movies seem like they will deal with this. There is no contradiction there.Wait, do they actually call it The Blip in Far From Home? That's fucking hilarious if they're going to refer to it as that from now on. :lol
Why say “is a silly thing to expect” when you could say “you are wrong, here are the examples”.
It sounds more like you being dismissive of Benji wanting to see the ramifications of the snap until you suddenly remembered that the ramifications of the Snap was a minor part of the new spider man film and the shows can deal with unimportant side stuff like half of the universe population being gone for five years.
It feels like about time for something to come out of left field and take the world by storm. And yet considering the monopoly disney has on the market, the over-reliance on brands of past success still being a thing, and how much of filmmaking has moved to streaming I dunno if that is even possible or matters.it's time for the Shanghai film industry to disrupt movie making :preach
benji said they will probably never deal with the ramifications of the blip. I said this was a silly thing to expect given the supporting evidence that 1) it was already a minor part of a movie already out and 2) the next set of tv shows and movies seem like they will deal with this. There is no contradiction there.Wait, do they actually call it The Blip in Far From Home? That's fucking hilarious if they're going to refer to it as that from now on. :lol
. Did you think that what I said meant it was silly to expect the MCU to deal with the blip?
is is a pretty silly thing to expect.
Come on dude, this is not my first dance...
You just said that it was foolish to expect any reaction
No, that was benjipwns position which I was arguing against. Miss reading posts and not being able to follow simple MCU stories in a single post is a bad look.
2) "As you now claim you could just said" that is not what I said at all. I said that there is supporting evidence to say he was wrong but it depends on how much supporting evidence he needed.
Because it depends on what he means by being dealt with. Spiderman might not sufficiently deal with the issue to fully support the argument and the tv shows are not out yet.
is is a pretty silly thing to expect.
I think racism in china is a lot like western racism in that black people are fine on screen but not in the streets: I don't think China is banning films based on black people being in them. But they will totally ban anything with homosexuality and that's not acceptable. I think we will see a lot of push back from actors on studios abandoning LGBT this decade.
Black Panther was the top film in South Africa for seven weeks,[245] where it became the highest-grossing film ever.[246] It also became the highest-grossing film of all time in West and East Africa, and the southern Africa region,[242][247] and the highest-grossing superhero film ever in the Netherlands.[205] As of April 8, 2018, the film's largest markets were China ($104.6 million), the United Kingdom ($67.7 million), and South Korea ($42.8 million).
Black Panther opened in China ($66.5 million) with the fourth-highest MCU and superhero opening ever in the country. This included the biggest opening day and opening weekend ($7.3 million) of March for IMAX in China.That's with it coming out a month later than everywhere else so probably half of China had pirated it by that point.
QuoteYou just said that it was foolish to expect any reaction
No, that was benjipwns position which I was arguing against. Miss reading posts and not being able to follow simple MCU stories in a single post is a bad look.Quote from: Madrun Badrun2) "As you now claim you could just said" that is not what I said at all. I said that there is supporting evidence to say he was wrong but it depends on how much supporting evidence he needed.QuoteBecause it depends on what he means by being dealt with. Spiderman might not sufficiently deal with the issue to fully support the argument and the tv shows are not out yet.Quote from: Madrun Badrunis is a pretty silly thing to expect.
Dude, you could just say "I misspoke about that part. My point still stands" than insult anyone intelligence.
Maybe you should stop gaslighting people and try to not be affected by minor stuff like people pointing you contradicting yourself.
Maybe you should stop gaslighting people and try to not be affected by minor stuff like people pointing you contradicting yourself.
lol this movie was a fucking mess but goddamn I enjoyed it all the same. It felt like fan fiction
Complete waste of what TLJ established but eh.
TFA: 7/10
TLJ: 8.5/10
ROS: 6/10
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People complain about Rose being marginalized, but DJ didn't even show up in ROTS.
Man, this was such a shitty character.
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People complain about Rose being marginalized, but DJ didn't even show up in ROTS.
Man, this was such a shitty character.
As characters go, he was fine, but having him disappear entirely from TROS is pretty telling that Disney wanted to get away from any kind of nuance morals in storytelling.
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People complain about Rose being marginalized, but DJ didn't even show up in ROTS.
Man, this was such a shitty character.
As characters go, he was fine, but having him disappear entirely from TROS is pretty telling that Disney wanted to get away from any kind of nuance morals in storytelling.
And ROS is what you get when that is your process.
Wasn't he just a minor character in Last Jedi anyway? "Oh, I'm safe/code-cracker! BUT I'M GONNA BETRAY YOU! TEE-HEE!"
Seemed like a one-and-done plotpoint character that didn't really matter to the bigger universe/another film(s).
Star Trek Discovery is a modern show for modern times.
In Return of the Jedi, you have this line, “There is another.”
> The Modell sector, which the Endor system is part of, is apparently “rife with hyperspace anomalies” that are responsible for dumping everything from interstellar detritus to even starships in and around the gas giant and its nine primary moons. Those anomalies seemingly also deposited the falling Death Star debris elsewhere in the sector, saving Endor from a fiery, apocalyptic fate
As reported by ScreenRant, the official Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Visual Dictionary reveals that each 5,000-strong legion of Emperor Palpatine's Sith Troopers, which are part of his Final Order, are named after an ancient Sith Lord.
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/12/24/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-makes-kotors-darth-revan-canon
Interesting development. Does this retroactively reincorporate KOTOR/II/TOR into the canon?
Hm, I guess if it's like Thrawn, probably not.
FWIW the cinematics for two of the expansions are some Darn Good Star Warz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzq9epS2b1A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpDxrew4A0
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QuoteAs reported by ScreenRant, the official Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Visual Dictionary reveals that each 5,000-strong legion of Emperor Palpatine's Sith Troopers, which are part of his Final Order, are named after an ancient Sith Lord.
:lol :lol :lol that's like the trashiest way of referencing previous work.
And the KOTOR stuff is weird. Wonder if Disney realizes that starwars might be more profitable as a video game franchise.
People already forgetting how Battlefront II went? :steiner
Also, there is a Star Wars game literally on store shelves right now.
KOTOR I&II are the best things to come out of this wretched franchise :tocry
TFA: Makes you remember how Star Wars FEELS when you're a kid
TLJ: Makes you realize what stupid shit Star Wars is as an adult
TROS: Makes you understand the blatant nostalgia cash grab bullshit Disney is pulling on you
I guess my hot take is Mandalorian is pretty goddamn safe in every aspect. It's like you have a good piece of chicken but no spices to really give it flavor. None of the dialogue, cinematography and framing, action scenes, literally anything stands out. It's very baseline in all of it's aspects. It's an enjoyable watch, but by no means is it "interesting" for lack of a better word.
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/12/24/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-makes-kotors-darth-revan-canon
Interesting development. Does this retroactively reincorporate KOTOR/II/TOR into the canon?
Hm, I guess if it's like Thrawn, probably not.
FWIW the cinematics for two of the expansions are some Darn Good Star Warz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzq9epS2b1A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpDxrew4A0
:bow Blur :bow2
Kotor already is basically canon anyway. People keep attempting to make connections to it either in reference materials or through the various CG television shows. It was bound to happen eventually.
That dude's George Lucas is dead on, but he needs more of a gullet. Speaking of, lol at how many aliens in TPM were clearly based on George and his weird ass neck and he never recognized it or at least acknowledged it.It was probably a prank by the staff and he couldn't really point that out :doge
he'll be stabbing rey with dat big black lightsaber ;)
Imagine crying over the death of the dude who killed his own dad and nearly his killed his own mom, got into big physical fights with his on again/off again girlfriend, and was a major player in the destruction of an entire star system full of people.She changed him!
Imagine crying over the death of the dude who killed his own dad and nearly his killed his own mom, got into big physical fights with his on again/off again girlfriend, and was a major player in the destruction of an entire star system full of people.
https://twitter.com/JohnBoyega/status/1212090062147637251
Slay 'em, king. :whew
Imagine crying over the death of the dude who killed his own dad and nearly his killed his own mom, got into big physical fights with his on again/off again girlfriend, and was a major player in the destruction of an entire star system full of people.
I never understood the appeal of kylo ren. I get that Adam Driver is a good actor the but the actual character is a big pile of shit. And not even a fun pile of shit. Whether he ever "redeemed" himself or not was nothing I cared about ever. And the idea that Rey had some sort of love connection with a psychopath is really troubling when you examine the psychology of it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/)
According to some person on Reddit JJ got overruled by Disney on key decisions and his 3 hour cut was butchered and now #ReleaseTheJJCut" is trending :lol
WB wants Abrams for some DC projects. My source said that this generation’s Star Wars is the MCU, and Marvel’s biggest threat is a well operational DC. They want to keep DC in the limbo that they’re in right now. Abrams jumpstarting that franchise with something like a successful, audience-pleasing Superman movie makes them nervous. Their goal is to make JJ look bad to potential investors/shareholders.
My source said they’ve never seen anything like this happen before. He’s the director and he wasn’t in the know about what they were doing behind his back.
JJ wanted to do some scenes he thought were important but Disney shut it down citing budgetary reasons.
Imagine crying over the death of the dude who killed his own dad and nearly his killed his own mom, got into big physical fights with his on again/off again girlfriend, and was a major player in the destruction of an entire star system full of people.
I never understood the appeal of kylo ren. I get that Adam Driver is a good actor the but the actual character is a big pile of shit. And not even a fun pile of shit. Whether he ever "redeemed" himself or not was nothing I cared about ever. And the idea that Rey had some sort of love connection with a psychopath is really troubling when you examine the psychology of it.
I think he’s just the only character that has any kind of arc whatsoever. How can one be a fan of Rey, she has like no titties or character development.
Saltier Than Crait is a community for those who are critical of the recent new Star Wars revival from Disney and wish to have intelligent, respectful discourse about it.
I'm just wondering how far off we are from "Previously, onAgents of SHIELD was their attempt on that, and it worked fine. I mean, I was seriously hooked on that for a while. The biggest roadbump was their s2 need to coordinate their episode premieres with the HYDRA reveal.Buffy the Vampire SlayerAvengers: Secret Wars..."
I'm just wondering how far off we are from "Previously, onAgents of SHIELD was their attempt on that, and it worked fine. I mean, I was seriously hooked on that for a while. The biggest roadbump was their s2 need to coordinate their episode premieres with the HYDRA reveal.Buffy the Vampire SlayerAvengers: Secret Wars..."
Shit man Netflix stuff is certainly less canon than AOS.
I'm just wondering how far off we are from "Previously, onAgents of SHIELD was their attempt on that, and it worked fine. I mean, I was seriously hooked on that for a while. The biggest roadbump was their s2 need to coordinate their episode premieres with the HYDRA reveal.Buffy the Vampire SlayerAvengers: Secret Wars..."
Sorry, but like Kevin Feige, I don't consider any of the shows pre-Disney+ to be canon.
Except maybe the Netflix stuff, but only retroactively if they decide to keep the same actors.
People tend to laugh at #SuperheroFatigue but shit is inevitable. Whether it happens next year or twenty years from now, who knows.
Can't wait till Kingdom Come is adapted as the Unforgiven/Irishman to the genre in 2058
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Imagine thinking TLJ is better than TFA and ROS.
Imagine thinking TLJ is better than TFA and ROS.
It is. 100% true. Congratulations, you've already won.
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I'm really disappointed that no one liked this and I don't know if I'm disappointed in you guys or myself for feeling so proud of it. Actually I do know, it's you guys.
I went to two target today and both still had the long sought after Rose Tico action figures on the shelf. PM me if you are still looking for this hard to find item to complete the core of your new trilogy collection.What the hell, which kid wouldn't want to play as an average chubby Asian mechanic with a wrench and the power to ... ermmm... participate in Star Wars? ???
low-ground-front-flippers
I'm really disappointed that no one liked this and I don't know if I'm disappointed in you guys or myself for feeling so proud of it. Actually I do know, it's you guys.
I have no goddamned idea what you're going on about.
low-ground-front-flippers
I'm really disappointed that no one liked this and I don't know if I'm disappointed in you guys or myself for feeling so proud of it. Actually I do know, it's you guys.
I have no goddamned idea what you're going on about.
I finally watched Endgame yesterday courtesy of United Airlines.
How the fuck does it have a 90+ score on the tomatoes?
It's significantly worse than the new star wars.
I'm curious about your thoughts on Rise of Skywalker.
Give me some threads I can pull.
https://youtu.be/x_xJqkzngBI:dead
https://youtu.be/3Xl0Qr0uXuY
https://imjustcreative.com/anatomy-of-a-logo-the-star-wars/2020/01/06
After Lucas described the kind of visual element he was seeking, “I returned to the office and used what I reckoned to be the most ‘fascist’ typeface I could think of: Helvetica Black.”
you think marvel is going to keep moving with the same strength as before in spite of reaching a natural conclusion point for many people? no fatigue?
Well Spiderman didn't slow down. The superhero fatigue stuff has been talked about for like 8 years straight and it never happens so :yeshrug
His face has always reminded me as a cross between a fish and a vagina so I'm not mad.
https://twitter.com/starwarstuff/status/1215058164309164032 (https://twitter.com/starwarstuff/status/1215058164309164032)The fact that they thought this was more important than writing a coherent storyline says all you need to know about Disney Star Wars ™
RIP Nien Nunb
Disney keeps destroying George's Legacy :'(
I honestly think that is damage done by TLJ being so shit. Same reason Solo bombed.
I honestly think that is damage done by TLJ being so shit. Same reason Solo bombed.
You are so wrong:respect
Remember when Disney freaked out because The Last Jedi only made $600 million domestically and $1.3 billion worldwide so they totally changed direction to appeal to people who didn't like TLJ?
real starwars here we come
https://movieweb.com/dune-movie-2020-first-footage-description/spoiler (click to show/hide)I'm really not going to get hyped until scifi people say its good.[close]
https://youtu.be/Brbrdnh74yASNL should stick to pop culture things like this. They're way better than any of their recent political bits.
You know the new trilogy is a complete disaster when people involved keep shitting on it.George got away with murder for years. He made a Samurai movie in Space and because it was something entirely new he could built a media empire on it.
You expect us to google search for that script, and read it all?It took place on Coruscant with Hux capturing the planet and Finn rallying a resistance
Give some bullet points you jerk :bolo
https://youtu.be/Brbrdnh74yA
Lightsaber guillotine :dead
I think their biggest mistake was to get JJ "gotta love mystery boxes and big dumb one-upping everything" Abrams involved.
He just tried to cram so much shit in TFA, with basically zero world building, and a bunch of entirely open plots points with zero basis to work on.
Johnson got a lot of shit for "ruining" Star Wars, and in particular Luke, but what the fuck was he supposed to do exactly when Abrams left him with a world and characters that had so drastically changed since RotJ that the whole thing was barely believable.
And that's why I think VII-IX is vastly inferior to I-III (come at me Chrono).
Sure, the Prequels had their share of dumb shite, but at least they had some good character and world building, and didn't start retconning shit left and right.
Remember when Disney freaked out because The Last Jedi only made $600 million domestically and $1.3 billion worldwide so they totally changed direction to appeal to people who didn't like TLJ? Well, looks like Rise of Skywalker might not even hit $500 million domestically and barely scrape by $1 billion worldwide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jz1TjCphXE
What I meant is that Johnson was left with very little wiggle room when it comes to "wtf happened to Luke?".
He went from being a galactic hero in Ep. VI to being a goddamn hermit on a random ass planet.
So Abrams dropped that bomb and passed it onto whoever would carry on with the sequels, with zero explanation as to how exactly Luke ended up like that. People were mad at Johnson because "how could Luke possibly do that?!" but he pretty much was forced into that position by Abrams.
Same for "wtf happened to the Republic!", "who the fuck is Snoke?!?", "how did Solo go from a war hero who cared about all this after initially being only interested in getting paid, to getting back to his shitty smuggler job?!?" etc, etc, etc...
Abrams dropped all this shit as established facts beginning the new trilogy, leaving whoever would come next to direct Ep.VIII to deal with explaining all that shit.
Coruscant was fine, the super-duper-mega death star blew up the "Hosnian system" which was apparently the new home of the galactic republic, with the main planet being Coruscant 2.0 (both in terms of function but also visually).
Because reasons, I guess.
What I meant is that Johnson was left with very little wiggle room when it comes to "wtf happened to Luke?".
He went from being a galactic hero in Ep. VI to being a goddamn hermit on a random ass planet.
So Abrams dropped that bomb and passed it onto whoever would carry on with the sequels, with zero explanation as to how exactly Luke ended up like that. People were mad at Johnson because "how could Luke possibly do that?!" but he pretty much was forced into that position by Abrams.
Same for "wtf happened to the Republic!", "who the fuck is Snoke?!?", "how did Solo go from a war hero who cared about all this after initially being only interested in getting paid, to getting back to his shitty smuggler job?!?" etc, etc, etc...
Abrams dropped all this shit as established facts beginning the new trilogy, leaving whoever would come next to direct Ep.VIII to deal with explaining all that shit.
Coruscant was fine, the super-duper-mega death star blew up the "Hosnian system" which was apparently the new home of the galactic republic, with the main planet being Coruscant 2.0 (both in terms of function but also visually).
Because reasons, I guess.
Being perfectly fair with Abrams and his stupid Mistery Box stuff. all this plot points could have been explained with cliche tropes at second film. Of course, is still scummy because JJ Abrams leaves the job of explaining shit to another guy.
Rian Johnson cardinal sin was trying to subvert the expectations and not playing ball. I feel he did a Knights of the Old Republic II, making Star Wars media for people that dont like Star Wars media. This is fine when is not on the flagship stuff but in the main films it feels like he just wanted to see If could get away with some stuff, making a film he wanted to make but not what the fans or Disney wanted. (Disney mismagement is another can of worms)
Luke is hiding because is trying to fight Snoke in his own way (ancient Jedi artifact, hiding his biological son/daughter, meditation), Snoke is an ancient Sith Lord or another form of force users, Rey is someone important daughter or is a reincarnation of the force like Anakin, etc. All of this could have been better explinations. Cliche but better than: "lol no we were no setting anything. Pay me."
Abrams set up was lame and directionless, but RJ decision of "fuck it lets not even try to follow up" created the dissonance.
Disney and Lucasfilm mismagement were, at the end, the ones that fucked up. Abrams going to Abrams and Rian Johnson decided to not even try to play ball, Disney and Lucasfilm were the ones that decided this was okay until Solo bombed hard.
twitter non-sense
What I meant is that Johnson was left with very little wiggle room when it comes to "wtf happened to Luke?".
He went from being a galactic hero in Ep. VI to being a goddamn hermit on a random ass planet.
So Abrams dropped that bomb and passed it onto whoever would carry on with the sequels, with zero explanation as to how exactly Luke ended up like that. People were mad at Johnson because "how could Luke possibly do that?!" but he pretty much was forced into that position by Abrams.
Same for "wtf happened to the Republic!", "who the fuck is Snoke?!?", "how did Solo go from a war hero who cared about all this after initially being only interested in getting paid, to getting back to his shitty smuggler job?!?" etc, etc, etc...
Abrams dropped all this shit as established facts beginning the new trilogy, leaving whoever would come next to direct Ep.VIII to deal with explaining all that shit.
Coruscant was fine, the super-duper-mega death star blew up the "Hosnian system" which was apparently the new home of the galactic republic, with the main planet being Coruscant 2.0 (both in terms of function but also visually).
Because reasons, I guess.
Being perfectly fair with Abrams and his stupid Mistery Box stuff. all this plot points could have been explained with cliche tropes at second film. Of course, is still scummy because JJ Abrams leaves the job of explaining shit to another guy.
Rian Johnson cardinal sin was trying to subvert the expectations and not playing ball. I feel he did a Knights of the Old Republic II, making Star Wars media for people that dont like Star Wars media. This is fine when is not on the flagship stuff but in the main films it feels like he just wanted to see If could get away with some stuff, making a film he wanted to make but not what the fans or Disney wanted. (Disney mismagement is another can of worms)
Luke is hiding because is trying to fight Snoke in his own way (ancient Jedi artifact, hiding his biological son/daughter, meditation), Snoke is an ancient Sith Lord or another form of force users, Rey is someone important daughter or is a reincarnation of the force like Anakin, etc. All of this could have been better explinations. Cliche but better than: "lol no we were no setting anything. Pay me."
Abrams set up was lame and directionless, but RJ decision of "fuck it lets not even try to follow up" created the dissonance.
Disney and Lucasfilm mismagement were, at the end, the ones that fucked up. Abrams going to Abrams and Rian Johnson decided to not even try to play ball, Disney and Lucasfilm were the ones that decided this was okay until Solo bombed hard.
I mean sure, you could always find something here and there, but the sheer amount and scope of the stuff that was introduced, either with radical changes to the state of the galaxy, main characters, and out of nowhere "what in the fuck?" new things was just stupid.
Every single major character was unrecognizable. You have some serious 'splaining to do if you want to now tell people that Luke is a grumpy hobo hermit, Han said fuck it all and went back to his shady shitty job, Leia returned to being at the head of a small band of merry resistance folks fighting with scraps.
The Republic is basically non-existent, and it's like the Empire was never defeated. There's a new big bad guy who's quite clearly at the very least on par with Palpatine in terms of power and influence.
They somehow have a fucking goddamn PLANET turned into a mega death star-like weapon.
There's a new Luke 2.0 who's somehow super strong with force powers, lectures Solo about his own goddam ship, is the best goddamn pilot the galaxy has ever seen, etc.
Abrams came up with all this shit and went "there you go guys, you can deal with explaining all that crap yourselves I'm out lolz".
Like, where the fuck do you even start when you've been handed this.
I think their biggest mistake was to get JJ "gotta love mystery boxes and big dumb one-upping everything" Abrams involved.
He just tried to cram so much shit in TFA, with basically zero world building, and a bunch of entirely open plots points with zero basis to work on.
Johnson got a lot of shit for "ruining" Star Wars, and in particular Luke, but what the fuck was he supposed to do exactly when Abrams left him with a world and characters that had so drastically changed since RotJ that the whole thing was barely believable.
And that's why I think VII-IX is vastly inferior to I-III (come at me Chrono).
Sure, the Prequels had their share of dumb shite, but at least they had some good character and world building, and didn't start retconning shit left and right.
https://twitter.com/InsideTheMagic/status/1221783682081546243 (https://twitter.com/InsideTheMagic/status/1221783682081546243)
daddy's back bois :lucas
not episode 3 :miyamoto
Yeah, if nothing else the PT gave us some GOAT memes. What memes did the ST give us?
and how they kept using their phones throughout.
I dont I was googling for it.. I might have to go seek out a drawing or painting shop, maybe they have a big 90x102cm piece of black paperUse the existing white backing and just get some black strips for the sides
Probably not with my luck tho :lol
Pretty bummed now since I paid about 40 euros for the frame and maybe 20 total for the poster including shipping..
And I was looking forward to this all week since I ordered the frame I was like yeah finally Ill be able to hang this baby up
Gonna have to call around where I can get some black back paper..
I dont I was googling for it.. I might have to go seek out a drawing or painting shop, maybe they have a big 90x102cm piece of black paperUse the existing white backing and just get some black strips for the sides
Probably not with my luck tho :lol
Pretty bummed now since I paid about 40 euros for the frame and maybe 20 total for the poster including shipping..
And I was looking forward to this all week since I ordered the frame I was like yeah finally Ill be able to hang this baby up
Gonna have to call around where I can get some black back paper..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCat5fXRyyU
You got three movies to figure this shit out, but you end up having to explain what happened in a tweet.
Finally got round to watching rise of skywalker last night.Nope. It doesn't get better.
I got about 30 mins in before I decided that this film wasn’t for me, should I try again?
Finally got round to watching rise of skywalker last night.Depends, are you watching it as a comedy or as some sort of meta-tragedy/horror as your childhood dreams are ground into dust by a giant corporation that sees you as a revenue stream?
I got about 30 mins in before I decided that this film wasn’t for me, should I try again?
Episode 6 is also what happens when the corporation is more interested in merchandising than the filmRotJ at least made sense and was a good film. I just got through watching it with my kids and outside of some Ewok stuff, it's a solid movie. The Emperor/Vader/Luke confrontation is probably the best scene in the whole trilogy. There are consequences and Mark Hamill gives a great performance.
EVERYTHING outside of the Emperor/Vader/Luke stuff sucks in ROTJ, imo.
EVERYTHING outside of the Emperor/Vader/Luke stuff sucks in ROTJ, imo.I dunno, I quite like the Jabba scene and the Yoda/Luke stuff is handled pretty well too. I don't even dislike the Ewok stuff to be honest.
Is there anything real in that scene what the fuck
Is there anything real in that scene what the fuck
George Lucas LOVED unnecessarily making a bunch of things with CG that didn't need to be CG.
So, finally made it to The Force Awakens with my kids. Not even halfway through and this movie seeds about 600 "mysteries" that NEVER get answered.
They clearly had a plan for who Rey's parents were and they changed it last minute, they also obviously had bigger plans for Finn, Maz and Poe, but they got changed too.
Outside of a few cool set pieces, this is trash.
Edit: Finn and Rey were totally gonna smang too, but Disney clearly weren't ready to be that progressive. It's funny, cause Hustler magazine could do interracial porn in the 70s, but Disney couldn't do an interracial relationship in the fucking 2010s.
So, finally made it to The Force Awakens with my kids. Not even halfway through and this movie seeds about 600 "mysteries" that NEVER get answered.Absolutely, that's why I was actually excited to see the sequel, despite all the rehashing and the awful parts (like the New Order just being there and having all those resources and a super weapon several magnitudes larger than anything the empire ever had, with zero explanation). They botched it so much, the degree of ineptitude is almost impressive.
They clearly had a plan for who Rey's parents were and they changed it last minute, they also obviously had bigger plans for Finn, Maz and Poe, but they got changed too.
Outside of a few cool set pieces, this is trash.
Edit: Finn and Rey were totally gonna smang too, but Disney clearly weren't ready to be that progressive. It's funny, cause Hustler magazine could do interracial porn in the 70s, but Disney couldn't do an interracial relationship in the fucking 2010s.
Not even halfway through and this movie seeds about 600 "mysteries" that NEVER get answered.
Watched The Rise of Skywalker with the kids about a week ago. That shit is just embarrassing. Not even worth talking about honestly.
Watching Solo right now and, outside the ridiculous fan service shit, this is so much better than any of the Disney sequel trilogy movies. I haven't seen this or Rogue One since the cinema, but I really like this film. I remember liking Rogue One more, but I'll wait until I rewatch it before making my final call.
Need to see the mandalorian to say if I want also him and baby Yoda to be safe of the Edgelord era.
Need to see the mandalorian to say if I want also him and baby Yoda to be safe of the Edgelord era.
I mean, even if that wasn't the case: Only Yoda isn't safe (and IIRC he died in 6?) since it's Old Republic-era-ish?
https://twitter.com/Dataracer117/status/1253241174715805696
If the Force Awakens and Rogue were a 9/10, Last Jedi was a 8/10, Solo a 7-7.5/10 this is a 6.5/10.If they were, but they weren't
Fuck this god-forsaken franchise for having two "RoS" films
Jesus, JJ
RoS had better moments, less exhausting scenes, and better stakes (despite knowing the broad strokes of how things turn out.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHuD5y-PZM0
It also had way better music.
I think Revenge is the better movie. But I'd be damned if I can sit through ep3 again to be sure. :lol
Fuck this god-forsaken franchise for having two "RoS" films
Jesus, JJ
Nintex it just seems you might not like star wars dude.You are correct on my age range but I do like Star Wars. The Mandalorian was great, The Empire Strikes back is amazing.
All those scores make me believe you are around 27-30 and grew up on the prequels, am I right?
Nothing wrong with that but we just aren't on the same wavelength.
https://twitter.com/disneyplus/status/1254772307941191686
this isnt even legal :dead
Let Tetsuya Nomura put Star Wars worlds in Kingdom Hearts and have them and everything that happens there be canon, cowards
How is Clone Wars season whatever? I never finished the show because for whatever reason, eps felt so fucking long (I got the same feeling when watching the few episodes of Rebels) but I am interested in TCW revival for some reason.The ending was amazing Ashoka's story is one of the few things relatively unfucked by Disney.
How is Clone Wars season whatever? I never finished the show because for whatever reason, eps felt so fucking long (I got the same feeling when watching the few episodes of Rebels) but I am interested in TCW revival for some reason.The ending was amazing Ashoka's story is one of the few things relatively unfucked by Disney.
Don't forget the Emperor having enough DUBSTEP FORCE LIGHTNING to disable an entire fleet yet still struggles somehow going one-on-one with a single tiny human...
The Mandalorian S2 not only will have Ashoka, but Boba Fett played by the guy who played Jango and all the clones are based on his face. And Hayden coming back for an appearance of Anakin.
:dead that sequels flopped so hard Disney is forced to dip into prequel nostalgia already
The Mandalorian S2 not only will have Ashoka, but Boba Fett played by the guy who played Jango and all the clones are based on his face. And Hayden coming back for an appearance of Anakin.
:dead that sequels flopped so hard Disney is forced to dip into prequel nostalgia already
The Mandalorian S2 not only will have Ashoka, but Boba Fett played by the guy who played Jango and all the clones are based on his face. And Hayden coming back for an appearance of Anakin.
:dead that sequels flopped so hard Disney is forced to dip into prequel nostalgia already
This is all going to be flash backs then?
Happy to report that I still haven't seen Solo, Ep IX, or Mandolorian and that Last Jedi killed Star Wars. I've pasted this into notepad and will post it once a year going forward.You complain about this very kind of post in the Star Trek thread. I 95% agree with your post though.
Happy to report that I still haven't seen Solo, Ep IX, or Mandolorian and that Last Jedi killed Star Wars. I've pasted this into notepad and will post it once a year going forward.You complain about this very kind of post in the Star Trek thread. I 95% agree with your post though.
One of the worst comics of all time. The creator is an obvious putz.
(https://i.redd.it/thuouu45t5k11.jpg)
This better still be canon.
Happy to report that I still haven't seen Solo, Ep IX, or Mandolorian and that Last Jedi killed Star Wars. I've pasted this into notepad and will post it once a year going forward.
Meanwhile Star Trek thread has enlightening MMarasu posts such as "rewatching VOYAGER so much more fun than Drek!!!" (This is the equivalent of happily watching the prequels instead of the sequels btw)
Point me to the last time I posted in the star wars thread. Meanwhile star trek thread has deranged, you, mmrasu, et al constantly RAGGING about it. I moved on from star wars and made a short snipe post. Get on my level and get over it.
MM quit shitting around about it, already
The Mandalorian S2 not only will have Ashoka, but Boba Fett played by the guy who played Jango and all the clones are based on his face. And Hayden coming back for an appearance of Anakin.lmao that the preuels are good now, actually.
:dead that sequels flopped so hard Disney is forced to dip into prequel nostalgia already
They definitely ran out of even the most ridiculous ideas and the last one I saw was something likeThere's a bunch of them that are bonkers.
"Ben Franklin discovered electricity, but could the founding father have actually been extraterrestrial?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsntSNmkSwAImagine creating something so technologically advanced and at the same have everyone hate it. :lucas
The only way to make Rise better is to either cut 50 minutes or add 45 minutes
They’d be better off making a new film and pretending it never happened :trumps
Simply adding 40 of those 45 minutes to the *start* of the movie and setting Palpy and the Final Order up (+ properly explaining shit with Kylo and Snoke and maybe even Knights of Ren and Luke's Temple flashbacks) would elevate it from like D- to B all on its own.
I don't even have the urge to watch The Mandalorian, the world is just so small and not interesting that I don't have that false sense of wonder.
One of the problems with the planets is that they film "on location," to cut costs (which is totally fine, I get why the business wants that). But they keep going to that one Desert to film for Tatooine and other desert planets.
I think Corescant is the only "planet"/city that they have to CGI? It's Disney (and Lucas at the time), they have the money. The issue is they won't put that money into green-screens in the sense that they probably feel it'd be too obvious, or because fanlings had a backlash toward the CGI Lucas DID do (Jar Jar) to where they don't try to spruce up and make interesting planets.
It's in goddamn space, make your imagination go wild with how planets look?
One of the problems with the planets is that they film "on location," to cut costs (which is totally fine, I get why the business wants that). But they keep going to that one Desert to film for Tatooine and other desert planets.
I think Corescant is the only "planet"/city that they have to CGI? It's Disney (and Lucas at the time), they have the money. The issue is they won't put that money into green-screens in the sense that they probably feel it'd be too obvious, or because fanlings had a backlash toward the CGI Lucas DID do (Jar Jar) to where they don't try to spruce up and make interesting planets.
It's in goddamn space, make your imagination go wild with how planets look?
They’d be better off making a new film and pretending it never happened :trumps
They already tried that once. :lol
https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-new-ship-from-colin-trevorrows-star-wars-episode-ix-i-1844487637The film in your head is always perfect.
Anyone find it kinda weird that less than 8 months after the theatrical release Disney are testing reactions on the original version they never made since people seem to like it more than the actual movie they released?
That's a "holy shit this coke is stroooooooooooooooooooong :jeb " face
Which movie did she have her coke nail in :dead
(https://i.imgur.com/dZyBSRF.jpg)
Leia :lol :lol :lol
So everyone else waiting for the season to finish before theypiratewatch the Mandawhorian?
https://twitter.com/freyasolo/status/1211473761750462465
M:I 3 is JJ’s best film.And still the second worse MI. :thinking
Mando is going full Star Wars porn after being pretty restrained in s1. Not sure if I like it or not, but the pace has been good and the plot has been generally interesting (if still more serialized than I expected.)
Will more than 10% actually be good?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6imFkW4AQ6sV2?format=jpg)
A DROID STORY
Disney got cold feet after Solo bombed and the main trilogy sputtered out, but then Mando blew up so they're all in on Star Wars series on Disney+.
Disney got cold feet after Solo bombed and the main trilogy sputtered out, but then Mando blew up so they're all in on Star Wars series on Disney+.
Obviously they understand that the reason that people liked Mando Season 1 was because the decent writing and production values... right right?
Star War is a content farm now :aweshum
Hell yeah my favorite part of star wars is the homo robot butlers getting sassy
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6imFkW4AQ6sV2?format=jpg)Yeah I bet it'll be a Bad Batch alright. :teehee
A DROID STORY
Hell yeah my favorite part of star wars is the homo robot butlers getting sassy
Well then you'll love Star Wars: Bad Bitch.
gonna order a pair of Darth Yeezys
Also 5 seconds that really fuck with cannon.
Also 5 seconds that really fuck with cannon.
https://twitter.com/RottenTomatoes/status/1339274302651203585
Remember when Boba Fett got killed by a blind guy with a stick? That was the greatest moment in Star Wars history.
Remember when Boba Fett got killed by a blind guy with a stick? That was the greatest moment in Star Wars history.
I think GL is a petty autist who gets a shitty attitude when people don't like what he likes, and like other stuff (Boba Fett) more than he thinks they should.
I don't think Boba Fett had the following at the time of Jedi as he had in the intervening years and he probably wasn't killed that way out of spite by George Lucas.
Remember when Boba Fett got killed by a blind guy with a stick? That was the greatest moment in Star Wars history.
I think GL is a petty autist who gets a shitty attitude when people don't like what he likes, and like other stuff (Boba Fett) more than he thinks they should.
it's 20xx and people are still mad online about da snyder cut ;)Remember when Boba Fett got killed by a blind guy with a stick? That was the greatest moment in Star Wars history.
I think GL is a petty autist who gets a shitty attitude when people don't like what he likes, and like other stuff (Boba Fett) more than he thinks they should.
I actually didn't think I'd see such an aggressive post from you, especially on this. 😬
But I lost my shit over fucking Batman the other day so who am I to talk shit :trumps
Fuck ALL you Star Wars nerds who can't keep a spoiler to yourself for one goddamn day.I haven't even started the season and already know/seen this supposed end spoiler.
And also especially double fuck Slate.com.
And also, quintuple fuck Google in the ass, full force, without lube, on top of all the other shit they've been involved in this week, for surfacing spoilers in the news feed.
It's 20XX and Tasty is mad online about Star War!
It's 20XX and Tasty is mad online about Star War!
:rage
:umad
a whole bunch of jedi didn't get got when order 66 happened
you find out about more secret survivor jedi every other day
While Disney has mined Lucasfilm for new movies that have collectively grossed nearly $6 billion at the world-wide box office, these writers say the company has delayed dealing with their complaints and stiffed them on checks that rarely total a few thousand bucks apiece.
Crucially, Lucasfilm is also adopting the full Marvel format by interlocking “The Book of Boba Fett,” “Ahsoka” and “Rangers of the New Republic” within the timeline established by “The Mandalorian.” All these series will be executive produced by Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni, the two figures at Lucasfilm who, even more than Kennedy, now come closest to holding the kind of overarching vision so famously employed by Marvel Studios chief Kevin Feige.
And they all will, in the stodgy language of Disney’s investors day announcement, “culminate in a climactic story event.” In other words, Lucasfilm is aiming for its own “Avengers.”
"We call it Star Wars"QuoteAnd they all will, in the stodgy language of Disney’s investors day announcement, “culminate in a climactic story event.” In other words, Lucasfilm is aiming for its own “Avengers.”
Thanks Google News for spoiling the super secret character at the end of Mando. Hell's wrong with you?
Dicks.
Still well done season.
Thanks Google News for spoiling the super secret character at the end of Mando. Hell's wrong with you?
Dicks.
Still well done season.
I couldn’t believe it when Darth Jar Jar sliced Boba in half. Crazy shit.
https://twitter.com/VinnieMancuso1/status/1338902386518216705
https://twitter.com/VinnieMancuso1/status/1338902386518216705
I havent even seen this trash fire but this reminds me of people calling Star Trek Picard's scene where they have the Borg cube crash on a planet sooo cool and awesome
Like what. Who cares. It's CG. It has zero impact.
Fuck off with your special effects drivel.
https://twitter.com/VinnieMancuso1/status/1338902386518216705
I havent even seen this trash fire but this reminds me of people calling Star Trek Picard's scene where they have the Borg cube crash on a planet sooo cool and awesome
Like what. Who cares. It's CG. It has zero impact.
Fuck off with your special effects drivel.
So really though is Kathleen Kennedy the biggest bitch or the biggest idiot for giving the movies to JJ and Johnson instead of Filoni and Favreau
https://twitter.com/VinnieMancuso1/status/1338902386518216705
I havent even seen this trash fire but this reminds me of people calling Star Trek Picard's scene where they have the Borg cube crash on a planet sooo cool and awesome
Like what. Who cares. It's CG. It has zero impact.
Fuck off with your special effects drivel.
If you look past all the bugs Cyberpunk is a great game with gorgeous graphics.spoiler (click to show/hide)Then again cyberpunk can be fixed in a few months. Star War 8 is forever.[close]
https://twitter.com/VinnieMancuso1/status/1338902386518216705
I havent even seen this trash fire but this reminds me of people calling Star Trek Picard's scene where they have the Borg cube crash on a planet sooo cool and awesome
Like what. Who cares. It's CG. It has zero impact.
Fuck off with your special effects drivel.
If you look past all the bugs Cyberpunk is a great game with gorgeous graphics.spoiler (click to show/hide)Then again cyberpunk can be fixed in a few months. Star War 8 is forever.[close]
Episode 8, the only movie besides Empire Strikes Back to do something interesting in the franchise.
https://twitter.com/VinnieMancuso1/status/1338902386518216705
I havent even seen this trash fire but this reminds me of people calling Star Trek Picard's scene where they have the Borg cube crash on a planet sooo cool and awesome
Like what. Who cares. It's CG. It has zero impact.
Fuck off with your special effects drivel.
So really though is Kathleen Kennedy the biggest bitch or the biggest idiot for giving the movies to JJ and Johnson instead of Filoni and Favreau
Force Awakens was a nice restart after the prequels. Rian Johnson then actually took a few risks with where to go in the story and instead of fucking sticking with the ending of Last Jedi, Disney/Lucas films/whatever panicked because the MUH CHILDHOOD! crowd threw tantrums and we got the mess that was Rise of Skywalker as a result.
Now today I see the article by Forbes talking about how Disney's Star Wars has been swallowed by nostalgia. :lol
These assholes got Last Jedi and the exciting possibilities it gave us, whined they didn't want it and now its back to complaining about nostalgia. Nah, they gave those who complained exactly what they wanted with these callbacks and shit. They deserve to be stuck with it forever.
Meanwhile, Rian Johnson got to make the amazing Knives Out and three years later can still say "I told you so" about Star Wars needing to let the past go.
These assholes got Last Jedi and the exciting possibilities it gave us
"My four daughters watch this and obviously the world is like, 'It's the Baby Yoda show,' and I'm never jealous or have any problem with that, but I have to say, two of my daughters texted me and two of them [called] me: 'Papa, please don't hurt that baby. Don't hurt that baby,'" Giancarlo said. "And I said, 'I will squash that little big-eared bastard.'"
Quote"My four daughters watch this and obviously the world is like, 'It's the Baby Yoda show,' and I'm never jealous or have any problem with that, but I have to say, two of my daughters texted me and two of them [called] me: 'Papa, please don't hurt that baby. Don't hurt that baby,'" Giancarlo said. "And I said, 'I will squash that little big-eared bastard.'"
https://twitter.com/VinnieMancuso1/status/1338902386518216705
I havent even seen this trash fire but this reminds me of people calling Star Trek Picard's scene where they have the Borg cube crash on a planet sooo cool and awesome
Like what. Who cares. It's CG. It has zero impact.
Fuck off with your special effects drivel.
If you look past all the bugs Cyberpunk is a great game with gorgeous graphics.spoiler (click to show/hide)Then again cyberpunk can be fixed in a few months. Star War 8 is forever.[close]
Episode 8, the only movie besides Empire Strikes Back to do something interesting in the franchise.
https://youtu.be/_ayT0EZwbks
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S2 of Mando was just a launchpad for shows they want to make. :nope
I'm cool with The Mandalorian just being a western/samurai show set in the Star Wars universe. I don't need deep character development and story arcs that go for multiple seasons. Just give me cool bad guys making hell for the townsfolk and Mando and friends solving the problem of the week. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Can you really trust a guy who wears a black cowboy hat at all times despite not being a cowboy and being from a suburb of Pittsburgh?
About as much as I trust stostGET A ROPE!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePDiQ1uTrWILo forward to seeing Jar Ja in S3. (https://i.imgur.com/P2XViF9.png)
Not sure how much I trust this Filoni dude anymore :hmm
spoiler (click to show/hide)So they made baby yoda into a dog :heh[close]
I missed it, but they cancelled Gina Carano.
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1359751520963747844 (https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1359751520963747844)
Nah, this is just usual collective back patting.I missed it, but they cancelled Gina Carano.
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1359751520963747844 (https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1359751520963747844)
Let's see - she publicly professed herself as pro-Trump, anti-democracy, anti-vaccination, anti-mask, and stopped short of TERF territory but balked at using people's preferred pronouns. This is just… consequences.
I am doing that, i don't give a shit about her, and just called her a cunt?Nah, this is just usual collective back patting.I missed it, but they cancelled Gina Carano.
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1359751520963747844 (https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1359751520963747844)
Let's see - she publicly professed herself as pro-Trump, anti-democracy, anti-vaccination, anti-mask, and stopped short of TERF territory but balked at using people's preferred pronouns. This is just… consequences.
Why are Disney so angry about Holocaust comparisons, when they sucked China's dick while shooting Mulan where they had literal, ongoing, concentration camps trying to genocide an ethnic group?
Gina Carano is a cunt, so no love lost, but this is, as usual, pathetic people on the Internet pretending the evil is defeated, while giving more and more power to it.
Bad Tweets > Actual genocide, as long as you get cheap labour and get to act as the hero all the same. :lol
You can think hey fuck Disney and also hey fuck Gina good they fired her at the same time. Nothing is stopping you from doing that.
If this situation makes you want to eat a gun, maybe you should :yeshrugI know, but atm i have people that depend on me to survive.
If this situation makes you want to eat a gun, maybe you should :yeshrug
C'mon son, i told you twice it wasn't about Gina Carano, you're being dense on purpose? ::)If this situation makes you want to eat a gun, maybe you should :yeshrug
unironically recommend that other bore members commit suicide ???
:yeshrug if someone is that riled up over Disney/Gina Carano, it's likely their lives are absolutely miserable anyway so :yeshrug
Truth, Disney would run America better than the government at this point.Which Phase is that?
I really only have one question for the starwars thread and that's why do you support fascism Rumata?https://youtu.be/Y_FOS1GvZOY
Sorry, just so we are clear in the starwars thread, you the fascist JarJar Binks to my farting oppressed alien beast of burden.Only Siths deal in Both Sides. :hmph
https://www.vox.com/culture/2021/2/12/22280565/gina-carano-fired-star-wars-mandalorian-social-media-conservativequote for the new page. :-*
Reasonably insightful.
I dunno, I mean half the movies in the top 20 IMDB list probably starred problematic people.
Just to name a few things with all these big films.
The Godfather - Marlon Brando was always a controversial character
The Godfather: Part II - Robert Duvall is a hardcore Trumper
The Dark Knight - Michael Caine famously said "you can't vote for an actor just because he's black"
Schindler's List - Liam Neeson wanted to beat up some random black people in the streets at night
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - Sean Bean was arrested for throwing a glass at his wife
Pulp Fiction - John Travolta never was the same after his son died and was a cray scientologist even before that
Fight Club - Brad Pitt had an agressive drinking problem so Angelina GTFO
Disney's big fluffy star Robert Downey Jr. was literally pulled out the dumpster by Mel Gibson, who was cancelled before cancel culture existed.
Gina Carano's TikTok is somewhere at the bottom of 'offenses' commited by actors under contract or once under contract at Disney.
So I'm not really sure what their goal is. I would focus on shielding their talent and prevent them to mingle openly in the public debate.
Hell, those sick fucks in Hollywood still cheer on Woody Allen and Roman Polanski whenever they get the chance.
Yeah, I honestly thought she didn't have a career after like the 2010s. Was surprised to hear she was in the show.I dunno, I mean half the movies in the top 20 IMDB list probably starred problematic people.
Just to name a few things with all these big films.
The Godfather - Marlon Brando was always a controversial character
The Godfather: Part II - Robert Duvall is a hardcore Trumper
The Dark Knight - Michael Caine famously said "you can't vote for an actor just because he's black"
Schindler's List - Liam Neeson wanted to beat up some random black people in the streets at night
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - Sean Bean was arrested for throwing a glass at his wife
Pulp Fiction - John Travolta never was the same after his son died and was a cray scientologist even before that
Fight Club - Brad Pitt had an agressive drinking problem so Angelina GTFO
Disney's big fluffy star Robert Downey Jr. was literally pulled out the dumpster by Mel Gibson, who was cancelled before cancel culture existed.
Gina Carano's TikTok is somewhere at the bottom of 'offenses' commited by actors under contract or once under contract at Disney.
So I'm not really sure what their goal is. I would focus on shielding their talent and prevent them to mingle openly in the public debate.
Hell, those sick fucks in Hollywood still cheer on Woody Allen and Roman Polanski whenever they get the chance.
You are comparing superstars to a virtual nobody though. Nobody gives a shit about Gina Carano.
I'm tired of this complaint about "cancel culture" as if it's something new.
Decades ago you had to be careful about what you said about God or sex.
Are you pretending the last 10 or so years of social media evolution and integration in people's lives (and culture in general) didn't significantly change how the public interact with one another as well as these companies?Yeah, I honestly thought she didn't have a career after like the 2010s. Was surprised to hear she was in the show.I dunno, I mean half the movies in the top 20 IMDB list probably starred problematic people.
Just to name a few things with all these big films.
The Godfather - Marlon Brando was always a controversial character
The Godfather: Part II - Robert Duvall is a hardcore Trumper
The Dark Knight - Michael Caine famously said "you can't vote for an actor just because he's black"
Schindler's List - Liam Neeson wanted to beat up some random black people in the streets at night
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - Sean Bean was arrested for throwing a glass at his wife
Pulp Fiction - John Travolta never was the same after his son died and was a cray scientologist even before that
Fight Club - Brad Pitt had an agressive drinking problem so Angelina GTFO
Disney's big fluffy star Robert Downey Jr. was literally pulled out the dumpster by Mel Gibson, who was cancelled before cancel culture existed.
Gina Carano's TikTok is somewhere at the bottom of 'offenses' commited by actors under contract or once under contract at Disney.
So I'm not really sure what their goal is. I would focus on shielding their talent and prevent them to mingle openly in the public debate.
Hell, those sick fucks in Hollywood still cheer on Woody Allen and Roman Polanski whenever they get the chance.
You are comparing superstars to a virtual nobody though. Nobody gives a shit about Gina Carano.
The reality is she said really shit stuff while being employed by a company that cares about their image a lot.
But it was probably easier to fire her because yeah she's a woman, she's not that big of a star, and yeah it probably is more acceptable to fire these MAGA people. But the truth is she said some shit things that no company would want to be associated with. These people cry about freedom of speech, but that's not a catch-all defense. It doesn't stop people from responding in kind. Maybe reflect on what you said and why people think it's shitty. I'm tired of this complaint about "cancel culture" as if it's something new. Decades ago you had to be careful about what you said about God or sex. Things change, but the idea that you can be lambasted for saying bigoted or offensive things hasn't.
I mean i know someone who got passed over on a job interview mainly because they didn't have a social media account
The former president just got acquitted based on his team complaining about cancel culture so I can't imagine that is going anywhere for a while.
I should clarify, this wasn't an official reasoning given, and they probably gave a biased account (it's not like i was there).QuoteI mean i know someone who got passed over on a job interview mainly because they didn't have a social media account
Should be illegal and I wish you were in a position that naming and shaming these people would do something.
If we ever get from witch hunts to conservative hunts, I know I have died and gone to heaven.:thinking cunts :thinking let's go cunting
No I agree that with the internet not only is it easier for what you say to be "archived", but now whats much easier for random strangers to comment on it as well.Are you pretending the last 10 or so years of social media evolution and integration in people's lives (and culture in general) didn't significantly change how the public interact with one another as well as these companies?Yeah, I honestly thought she didn't have a career after like the 2010s. Was surprised to hear she was in the show.I dunno, I mean half the movies in the top 20 IMDB list probably starred problematic people.
Just to name a few things with all these big films.
The Godfather - Marlon Brando was always a controversial character
The Godfather: Part II - Robert Duvall is a hardcore Trumper
The Dark Knight - Michael Caine famously said "you can't vote for an actor just because he's black"
Schindler's List - Liam Neeson wanted to beat up some random black people in the streets at night
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - Sean Bean was arrested for throwing a glass at his wife
Pulp Fiction - John Travolta never was the same after his son died and was a cray scientologist even before that
Fight Club - Brad Pitt had an agressive drinking problem so Angelina GTFO
Disney's big fluffy star Robert Downey Jr. was literally pulled out the dumpster by Mel Gibson, who was cancelled before cancel culture existed.
Gina Carano's TikTok is somewhere at the bottom of 'offenses' commited by actors under contract or once under contract at Disney.
So I'm not really sure what their goal is. I would focus on shielding their talent and prevent them to mingle openly in the public debate.
Hell, those sick fucks in Hollywood still cheer on Woody Allen and Roman Polanski whenever they get the chance.
You are comparing superstars to a virtual nobody though. Nobody gives a shit about Gina Carano.
The reality is she said really shit stuff while being employed by a company that cares about their image a lot.
But it was probably easier to fire her because yeah she's a woman, she's not that big of a star, and yeah it probably is more acceptable to fire these MAGA people. But the truth is she said some shit things that no company would want to be associated with. These people cry about freedom of speech, but that's not a catch-all defense. It doesn't stop people from responding in kind. Maybe reflect on what you said and why people think it's shitty. I'm tired of this complaint about "cancel culture" as if it's something new. Decades ago you had to be careful about what you said about God or sex. Things change, but the idea that you can be lambasted for saying bigoted or offensive things hasn't.
Obviously if you live in a society (ah!) you can't do and say whatever, but there's plenty of nuance in how that is handled and develops, beyond that very broad statement of fact.
I mean i know someone who got passed over on a job interview mainly because they didn't have a social media account, and that was seen as "suspect", so these platforms are becoming more than just "some private service you do to socialize", they are closer to direct extensions of democracy.
Whether that's good or bad, it's another matter, but i think it's a very complex problem, that shouldn't be shrugged off so easily.
For current 20 to 30+y olds, it's not a big deal, but i think for kids, growing up with the idea of every thought being stored and scrutinized forever, is going to fuck them up in some really new and uncharted ways.No I agree that with the internet not only is it easier for what you say to be "archived", but now whats much easier for random strangers to comment on it as well.Are you pretending the last 10 or so years of social media evolution and integration in people's lives (and culture in general) didn't significantly change how the public interact with one another as well as these companies?Yeah, I honestly thought she didn't have a career after like the 2010s. Was surprised to hear she was in the show.I dunno, I mean half the movies in the top 20 IMDB list probably starred problematic people.
Just to name a few things with all these big films.
The Godfather - Marlon Brando was always a controversial character
The Godfather: Part II - Robert Duvall is a hardcore Trumper
The Dark Knight - Michael Caine famously said "you can't vote for an actor just because he's black"
Schindler's List - Liam Neeson wanted to beat up some random black people in the streets at night
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - Sean Bean was arrested for throwing a glass at his wife
Pulp Fiction - John Travolta never was the same after his son died and was a cray scientologist even before that
Fight Club - Brad Pitt had an agressive drinking problem so Angelina GTFO
Disney's big fluffy star Robert Downey Jr. was literally pulled out the dumpster by Mel Gibson, who was cancelled before cancel culture existed.
Gina Carano's TikTok is somewhere at the bottom of 'offenses' commited by actors under contract or once under contract at Disney.
So I'm not really sure what their goal is. I would focus on shielding their talent and prevent them to mingle openly in the public debate.
Hell, those sick fucks in Hollywood still cheer on Woody Allen and Roman Polanski whenever they get the chance.
You are comparing superstars to a virtual nobody though. Nobody gives a shit about Gina Carano.
The reality is she said really shit stuff while being employed by a company that cares about their image a lot.
But it was probably easier to fire her because yeah she's a woman, she's not that big of a star, and yeah it probably is more acceptable to fire these MAGA people. But the truth is she said some shit things that no company would want to be associated with. These people cry about freedom of speech, but that's not a catch-all defense. It doesn't stop people from responding in kind. Maybe reflect on what you said and why people think it's shitty. I'm tired of this complaint about "cancel culture" as if it's something new. Decades ago you had to be careful about what you said about God or sex. Things change, but the idea that you can be lambasted for saying bigoted or offensive things hasn't.
Obviously if you live in a society (ah!) you can't do and say whatever, but there's plenty of nuance in how that is handled and develops, beyond that very broad statement of fact.
I mean i know someone who got passed over on a job interview mainly because they didn't have a social media account, and that was seen as "suspect", so these platforms are becoming more than just "some private service you do to socialize", they are closer to direct extensions of democracy.
Whether that's good or bad, it's another matter, but i think it's a very complex problem, that shouldn't be shrugged off so easily.
I think my point is that being "canceled" has always existed. But now it has been like everything in the world expanded upon, by the digital age. You always had to be careful about what you said, especially if you were a noteworthy person. Now, you have to be careful even if you're just a regular dude who works at Target.
For current 20 to 30+y olds, it's not a big deal, but i think for kids, growing up with the idea of every thought being stored and scrutinized forever, is going to fuck them up in some really new and uncharted ways.
You think Padme and Jar Jar ever banged?
For current 20 to 30+y olds, it's not a big deal, but i think for kids, growing up with the idea of every thought being stored and scrutinized forever, is going to fuck them up in some really new and uncharted ways.Who broadcasts their every thought even now? Why do you think future generations will?
I can't even imagine what kind of sociopath politicians we're going to have in 20-30 years who've been trained since birth in opposition research and populist 2 sentence sound bitesYou're English, you don't need to imagine.
Part of a quick montage at the end of #theriseofskywalker Fun building Bespin under pressure. Only had a day to work this out because it was late in the production and we were all under the gun. Note: scale of Star Destroyer is waaay off. Mainly because the team was looking for a dramatic composition.
I'm good with most of it. Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith and Rise of Skywalker can all fuck off though. Shit movies, even without the Star Wars name attached.
yet baby yoder took over the internet for at least an entire yearYes in our bubble, but there are plenty of bubles that have seen both.
hell chernobyl random tv series was in 2019 and I saw a shitload of "not great, not terrible" references ever since
You think Padme and Jar Jar ever banged?
god I hope so
Don is gonna be real happy to know the Rangers of the New Republic show has been abortedGina Carano can do good!
"I do think that there’s nothing more important than knowing where you’re going.”
The fansThis hurts because it's true.
:ohhh "Maybe Obi Wan Kenobi is connected to Rey somehow, perhaps the dream sequence was actually a flashback into the past or Snoke using mind control powers. Who is Snoke anyway?"
:bobby "If you count the markings on his lightsaber you can clearly see he is a descendant of Darth Maul. Disney leaves nothing to chance. Kathleen Kennedy is micro managing this to minute detail to make sure the story is preserved the way Lucas envisioned and they don't make the same mistake he did with the prequels. Boy I can't wait to see how they tie this all together with the love and care of the Disney film making crew."
Meanwhile at the corporation
:success "Those are some nice effects JJ, I love the lasers more than Trevorrow's, can you release it by Christmas if we do 80 hour shifts at the CG farm and put everyone in front of the green screen today to shoot the 5 different endings?"
:heyman "By the way Lucy from administration has a nice rack she can play the bounty hunter in the reshoots. Just keep the helmet on and they won't even know it isn't Keri"
:success "Great idea Mike, give her $100 and make sure she signs an NDA. God I love making movies"
It's one of the most garbage plots of all time. :lucasThere's shitty fan fiction from 14-year-olds that I've never read which I'm sure is better than what these idiots came up with.
Is this from the Fortnite strategy guide?It says Strand-Casting right there, Joe, this is clearly a Hideo Kojima joint.
If you had told that young child that they would eventually make all nine movies, and that the ninth one would almost ruin my love of the material, I would’ve called you a liar. But that’s what’s happened.
I subbed up to disney plus.Just wait until you see the steaming pile of incoherent shit that episode 9 is...
I watched episode 8 for the first time against my better judgement
Absolute liquid shit lmfao. Somehow its even worse than the internet says.
Luckily I decided to watch the mandalorian too, which is pretty ace.
even a show about Twi'lek hookers on Coruscant's lower levels, anything.I am 100% on board for the Taxicab Confessions of Star Wars, full of moments with dancers talking about how they got addicted to spice trying to cope with having to suck Hutt dick.
I mean literally anything would've been better, even a show about Twi'lek hookers on Coruscant's lower levels, anything.
I tried to watch the new Bobby Fat show and turned it off after 5 minutes.
I can't believe after 2 (narcolepsy inducing) seasons of Mandalorian, they thought the best course of action was to go for ANOTHER fucking show about a Mandalorian on Tatooine, only this time older and fatter, so he needs to be sitting down 50% of the time.
I mean literally anything would've been better, even a show about Twi'lek hookers on Coruscant's lower levels, anything.
I haven’t watched Boba Fatt yet, but the Mandlawhorian was a fun little show :ufupIt had cool locations going for it, and as you mentioned, a very low bar to cross over.
Best live action Star War thingy anyways (which admittedly isn’t a high bar… :teehee)
Star Wars has already like 3 major desert planets that look suspiciously alike, i'm starting to get suspicious.I mean literally anything would've been better, even a show about Twi'lek hookers on Coruscant's lower levels, anything.
:nope complex cgi nightmare mixed with practical set that costs millions for one episode
:ohyeah don't-even-need-a-permit-to-shoot-there $0 desert
I subbed up to disney plus.Just wait until you see the steaming pile of incoherent shit that episode 9 is...
I watched episode 8 for the first time against my better judgement
Absolute liquid shit lmfao. Somehow its even worse than the internet says.
Luckily I decided to watch the mandalorian too, which is pretty ace.
I tried to watch the new Bobby Fat show and turned it off after 5 minutes.
I can't believe after 2 (narcolepsy inducing) seasons of Mandalorian, they thought the best course of action was to go for ANOTHER fucking show about a Mandalorian on Tatooine, only this time older and fatter, so he needs to be sitting down 50% of the time.
I mean literally anything would've been better, even a show about Twi'lek hookers on Coruscant's lower levels, anything.
Mandalorian Season 2 was mostly stealth pilots for other SW TV shows as it was.
Wait, are you taking about The Mandalorian or the films? When I said episode 9, I meant The Rise of Skywalker. The Mandalorian is actually decent.I subbed up to disney plus.Just wait until you see the steaming pile of incoherent shit that episode 9 is...
I watched episode 8 for the first time against my better judgement
Absolute liquid shit lmfao. Somehow its even worse than the internet says.
Luckily I decided to watch the mandalorian too, which is pretty ace.
i've actually watched the whole thing at this point, and S2 was a bit fan servicey but I still liked it on the whole
oh right yeah I haven't seen episode 9 yet. Thought you meant ep 9 of mandalorian. if I want more punishment though i guess i'll check out rise of skywalker :lol :lolWait, are you taking about The Mandalorian or the films? When I said episode 9, I meant The Rise of Skywalker. The Mandalorian is actually decent.I subbed up to disney plus.Just wait until you see the steaming pile of incoherent shit that episode 9 is...
I watched episode 8 for the first time against my better judgement
Absolute liquid shit lmfao. Somehow its even worse than the internet says.
Luckily I decided to watch the mandalorian too, which is pretty ace.
i've actually watched the whole thing at this point, and S2 was a bit fan servicey but I still liked it on the whole
Oh man, please please please report back once you watch itoh right yeah I haven't seen episode 9 yet. Thought you meant ep 9 of mandalorian. if I want more punishment though i guess i'll check out rise of skywalker :lol :lolWait, are you taking about The Mandalorian or the films? When I said episode 9, I meant The Rise of Skywalker. The Mandalorian is actually decent.I subbed up to disney plus.Just wait until you see the steaming pile of incoherent shit that episode 9 is...
I watched episode 8 for the first time against my better judgement
Absolute liquid shit lmfao. Somehow its even worse than the internet says.
Luckily I decided to watch the mandalorian too, which is pretty ace.
i've actually watched the whole thing at this point, and S2 was a bit fan servicey but I still liked it on the whole
Oh man, please please please report back once you watch itoh right yeah I haven't seen episode 9 yet. Thought you meant ep 9 of mandalorian. if I want more punishment though i guess i'll check out rise of skywalker :lol :lolWait, are you taking about The Mandalorian or the films? When I said episode 9, I meant The Rise of Skywalker. The Mandalorian is actually decent.I subbed up to disney plus.Just wait until you see the steaming pile of incoherent shit that episode 9 is...
I watched episode 8 for the first time against my better judgement
Absolute liquid shit lmfao. Somehow its even worse than the internet says.
Luckily I decided to watch the mandalorian too, which is pretty ace.
i've actually watched the whole thing at this point, and S2 was a bit fan servicey but I still liked it on the whole
This whole trilogy made the prequel trilogy look like George Lucas knew what he was doing.
This is the main issue.This whole trilogy made the prequel trilogy look like George Lucas knew what he was doing.
I probably said this before in this long-ass thread but the prequels actually managed to expand the universe of star wars! naboo architecture and ship designs were interesting! the alien races were fun! they sold a shit ton of toys and video games because they made colorful weird creatures and vehicles that were fun to play with
if star wars was a tabletop RPG (and it has been, like three times), the prequel trilogy was a giant new sourcebook brimming with possibilities, look you can now play as a gungan, you can play as a sebulba, you can fly these stylish new ships and go to these new planets
sequel trilogy added nearly nothing, it's all member berries
Star Wars probably has more better concept art than any audiovisual or textual media.
Star Wars probably has more better concept art than any audiovisual or textual media.Yep, especially the new trilogy. In the TFA art book there's a section about Vaders castle which sits on top of a vulcano on Mustafar(?) or something.
LEGO Star Wars is the optimal way to experience the franchise, something I'll always stand by. I do not have high hopes for the Skywalker Saga LEGO game that somehow has been delayed for like 3 years now.Yeah, what the hell is up with that? It's a Lego Star Wars game, aren't they just basically reskins of the same game they've been making since 2005?
They opted for a new in-house engine as opposed to using Unreal which is what most of the team wanted.LEGO Star Wars is the optimal way to experience the franchise, something I'll always stand by. I do not have high hopes for the Skywalker Saga LEGO game that somehow has been delayed for like 3 years now.Yeah, what the hell is up with that? It's a Lego Star Wars game, aren't they just basically reskins of the same game they've been making since 2005?
In the TFA art book there's a section about Vaders castle which sits on top of a vulcano on Mustafar(?) or something.
People seem to finally be waking up to the fact Robert Rodriguez, despite his pedigree, absolutely sucks at action. I woke up to it last Halloween when I finally watched From Dusk Til Dawn. Neat premise let down hard by abysmal action and setpieces.Desperado says eat my Bucho!
Also Joel Edgerton is ridiculously underrated and I'm excited to see him be in something popular.Even here he has flown under the radar while having an absolutely stellar career.
I wonder if he ever imagined a 20-second cameo in the final film of a trilogy would lead to side-character status on a limited series 17 years on.
...Probably not. :brain
I can't stop watching this goddamn trailer. :maf :lawdI only have nostalgia for Duel of the Fates.spoiler (click to show/hide)Just the knowledge of Hayden coming back as Vader/Anakin is making me go :crazy[close]
I didn't think I had nostalgia for the prequels but I guess it was just all that Clone Wars CG shit Lucas and then Disney have been peddling (on the prequel side) for the last 15 years. :idont
I bought the Episode I soundtrack on CD back in 1999 for Duel of the Fates. :rejoice
‘Obi-Wan Kenobi’: Darth Maul Scenes Cut, Luke Skywalker Replaced During Creative Overhaul (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/obi-wan-kenobi-darth-maul-scenes-cut-luke-skywalker-replaced-during-creative-overhaul-1235108192/)
Thank God. Not sure I could take Robot Legs in live action, even if Vader is the most overused character in SW (Deepfake Luke is giving him a run for his money though).
Good for the Star War for deciding not to put Maul in Obi-Wan.It bothers me so much that Palpatine and Vader destroyed the Jedi and hunted them all down to the point that most people don't even think they were real, except for all the Jedi that they didn't kill and that keep showing up in really prominent storylines.
Maul died in the first Star War and then died again when Obi-Wan killed him in the cartoons. He's more of a clown than Boba Fett, and Fett got killed by a blind guy with a stick.
No matter how serious you try to make it, an emphasemic robot will always be comical.
A recent study revealed the best and worst films out of the nine main entries in the Star Wars franchise, and the results suggest fans prefer the originals, and evidently carry a strong dislike for one recent film in particular.
A study by a broadband service provider U Switch combined metrics from the twenty highest grossing movie series and compared them against their sequels to discover the best and worst films in each franchise. The study used scores from IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes, and Metacritic, along with box office revenue and profitability, to reveal the worst Star Wars film is the latest instalment, The Rise of Skywalker.
The Rise of Skywalker rated 3.28 out of 10 in a tight race to the bottom, with a slight edge over Attack of the Clones as the second-worst film, which rated 3.4. Episode IX might have been the worst entry in the franchise, but its immediate predecessors The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi fared better in third and fourth place respectively. The 1999-2005 prequel trilogy was considered the least appealing era overall, with its highest rated film, Revenge of the Sith, coming in sixth place.
Science proves it!Quote from: https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-best-worst-movies-uswitch/A recent study revealed the best and worst films out of the nine main entries in the Star Wars franchise, and the results suggest fans prefer the originals, and evidently carry a strong dislike for one recent film in particular.
A study by a broadband service provider U Switch combined metrics from the twenty highest grossing movie series and compared them against their sequels to discover the best and worst films in each franchise. The study used scores from IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes, and Metacritic, along with box office revenue and profitability, to reveal the worst Star Wars film is the latest instalment, The Rise of Skywalker.
The Rise of Skywalker rated 3.28 out of 10 in a tight race to the bottom, with a slight edge over Attack of the Clones as the second-worst film, which rated 3.4. Episode IX might have been the worst entry in the franchise, but its immediate predecessors The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi fared better in third and fourth place respectively. The 1999-2005 prequel trilogy was considered the least appealing era overall, with its highest rated film, Revenge of the Sith, coming in sixth place.
The "study": https://www.uswitch.com/broadband/studies/successful-sequels/
I think there's value in an entertainingly bad movie vs. one that depresses/annoys/frustrates youIf you like good bad movies, then please go and find a copy of an 80s film called Deadly Prey. It's my favourite entertainingly shit movie of all time.
like how The Room is a good bad movie, something that can bring you terrible joy
AotC at least has the meme potential
Rey’s in the gunner seat on Crait, episode 8.
Seriously everyone talks about how dumb Kylo getting his mask back was but no one talks about Rey's complete stylistic reversion
Seriously everyone talks about how dumb Kylo getting his mask back was but no one talks about Rey's complete stylistic reversion
Can you elaborate?
Still amazes me how badly they fucked that whole trilogy of movies.
It's mindblowing that Disney made such a huge investment and could have had a second franchise with twice yearly films to dominate the box office and instead they just let these morons not even plan out a coherent story.
There will be a time when all the dirty secrets come out and then we will all realise that no matter how bad we think they fucked it up, the reality will be even worse.
How anyone involved still has a job or gets any work with a higher profile than direct-to-streaming sequels to mediocre family comedies is beyond absurd.
*opens powerpoint*They could have done all of that and still made a decent film that made sense. I wouldn't have cared at all that they made it all *woke* if the story was better than the insulting shit pile they gave us.
Ok people, we've made some edits to the script. This is how we make star wars appealing to the suburban latinx non-binary demographic, get past the Chinese censors, make the designs simple enough for cheap toys and root out the male gaze and masochism. Any questions? :social
“I hesitate to use the word trilogies anymore, because Star Wars is much more about persistent storytelling,” Kennedy says.
As for the film side of that, “We have a road map,” Kennedy says.
I'm not sure that indicates she actually has learned anything.It doesn't make sense on any level. Star Wars has recasted a bunch of characters like Anakin/Vader and Obi Wan.
I don't think Solo failed because they cast a younger actor to play a younger Han Solo, that whole thing where they fired the directors and writers and brought in Ron Howard to staple the thing together on the quick might have been one of the learning lessons but she doesn't mention that.
It doesn't make sense on any level. Star Wars has recasted a bunch of characters like Anakin/Vader and Obi Wan.The lesson she learned is don't recast roles with younger actors, she says in the same interview where she promotes the new Obi Wan series that does not star Alec Guinness.
https://deadline.com/2022/05/kathleen-kennedy-star-wars-filmmaking-lessons-learned-1235027840
"This isn't the job for me"?
the only people paying that much for a star wars weekend are the kind of people the canto bight scene condemned :wagMore likely the kind of people who thought the Canto Bight scene was profound cinema.
Completely unrelated, here's some concept art for Colin Trevorrow's scrapped Duel of the Fates.
(https://miro.medium.com/max/1024/1*uMuvOl5_wph58dcgE4VEfQ.jpeg)
https://twitter.com/eatinginmycar/status/1531104539713077254
The line to do coke with Glub Shitto was too long.
It's smart to take the high ground.
that's funny, a lot of people say the opposite, and the best way to expand the universe would be to get away from the force and lightsabers, since that ends up being the most mary sue, rule of cool, "remember this?!" stuff
that's funny, a lot of people say the opposite, and the best way to expand the universe would be to get away from the force and lightsabers, since that ends up being the most mary sue, rule of cool, "remember this?!" stuff
lol at this thread being bumped but it not being about the new series, that no one seemingly cares about :teeheeSince they only released the first three episodes with the rest coming weekly I assumed it was a vicious attack by Disney on those like PlanetSmasher who don't have the time to watch shows weekly rather than all at once and I refuse to support these hateful bigoted practices by pirating the show to watch.
I went from apathy about Ep 9 to now being annoyed at the squandered potential and shitty writing.I'm pretty much with you except I was never apathetic about 9. It was always complete shit
I've done at least three 180 turns on Ep 8 and I think I've landed on... liking it, excepting Canto Bight and "love will save us *smooch*".
I went from apathy about Ep 9 to now being annoyed at the squandered potential and shitty writing.I'm not a Rian Johnson fan, but read about the script he submitted for IX that JJ scrapped completely. It may not have been great and may have had its own stupidity but it at least followed logically from what happened in VIII.
I've done at least three 180 turns on Ep 8 and I think I've landed on... liking it, excepting Canto Bight and "love will save us *smooch*".
I went from apathy about Ep 9 to now being annoyed at the squandered potential and shitty writing.I'm not a Rian Johnson fan, but read about the script he submitted for IX that JJ scrapped completely. It may not have been great and may have had its own stupidity but it at least followed logically from what happened in VIII.
I've done at least three 180 turns on Ep 8 and I think I've landed on... liking it, excepting Canto Bight and "love will save us *smooch*".
I know it's contentious, but Rian Johnson's Episode VIII: The Last Jedi is my third favorite starwars work. Listen to the dialog. Hear what he's saying. Rian did his best to take the story from one of hereditary greatness, divine right, the right of kings, to instead democratize the Force. Rey is NO ONE. Her temptation is to join in the service of the selfish, sociopathic hereditary heir, or to risk death and die as a talented nobody. She risks death rather than submit to serving as nihilism's partner. Kylo himself has a point: sometimes you have to tear down the past in order to build the future. Leave it behind. It's fucking great.
But the butthurt fanbois of the world couldn't take a girl hero, couldn't take that their incel champion was simping after this "Mary Sue" character, and so JJ Abrams went back and undid all the democratization of the Force, reintegrated Rey as a member of a heroic bloodline, and erased everything that is interesting in Episode IX.
Kylo Ren was a perfectly acceptable antagonist. There was no need to "somehow the emperor has returned" that shit. That's where the problems with 9 began.
Kylo Ren was a perfectly acceptable antagonist. There was no need to "somehow the emperor has returned" that shit. That's where the problems with 9 began.Writing crutch of a hack: Everything that's happened? SECRET PLAN PULLED OFF PERFECTLY BY GUY YOU KNOW IS BAD (AND WAS THOUGHT TO BE DEAD)! HE ANTICIPATED EVERYTHING!
Kylo Ren was a perfectly acceptable antagonist. There was no need to "somehow the emperor has returned" that shit. That's where the problems with 9 began.
I don't recall there being ANY sexual tension between Rey and Poe, Rey and Finn or Finn and Poe...but that could have just been bad filmmaking.Finn clearly felt he should protect Rey, and seemed like he was running game on her, but it could’ve easily been read as innocent or naive due to being raised in the First Order.
I still disagree the movie disrespects Luke in any way and felt the movie gives him a conclusive arc.
Omfg I wanted to peep the first five minutes of ROTS and the opening crawl is so bad I'm fucking dying of laughter and I have Covid :dead :dead
The dead speak! The Galaxy has heard a mysterious broadcast, a threat of REVENGE in the sinister voice of the late EMPEROR PALPATINE
:sabu :sabu :sabu
Omfg I wanted to peep the first five minutes of ROTS and the opening crawl is so bad I'm fucking dying of laughter and I have Covid :dead :dead
The dead speak! The Galaxy has heard a mysterious broadcast, a threat of REVENGE in the sinister voice of the late EMPEROR PALPATINE
:sabu :sabu :sabu
It's really amazing how a company can spend 275 million on a movie and then the director and co-writer hand in the most half-assed script possible
I still disagree the movie disrespects Luke in any way and felt the movie gives him a conclusive arc.
just like any examples of poor writing, there are in fact successful ways to write a fallen/washed up Luke storyline, but TLJ fumbled it horribly
he literally left his best friends and sister to die, no matter how much he now hates the concept of a Jedi he wouldn't do that
he'd show up committing to using nothing but his own strength or piloting, cutting himself off from the Force, because helping his sister is more important than anything else
he'd even do it by way of feeble apology for fucking up her son (not true, but in his eyes)
everyone else has to already be dead, partly due to his own failings, in order for him to have nothing left to live for
he even says shit like "the Jedi created Darth Vader" and Rey says "yeah but a Jedi redeemed him too" and either the premise is so wrongheaded to begin with, or the writing is too weak to have him come up with any retort
given his history he also wouldn't even think of attacking his own nephew, he'd sit down with him and say "hey dude I know something or someone is occupying your thoughts, can we work this out, I'll go with you to confront it whatever it is" etc etc
or even flip it around, have Kylo standing over Luke with an ignited lightsaber, and Luke's failing was to dismiss him from the Jedi school
:idont
I still disagree the movie disrespects Luke in any way and felt the movie gives him a conclusive arc.
just like any examples of poor writing, there are in fact successful ways to write a fallen/washed up Luke storyline, but TLJ fumbled it horribly
he literally left his best friends and sister to die, no matter how much he now hates the concept of a Jedi he wouldn't do that
he'd show up committing to using nothing but his own strength or piloting, cutting himself off from the Force, because helping his sister is more important than anything else
he'd even do it by way of feeble apology for fucking up her son (not true, but in his eyes)
everyone else has to already be dead, partly due to his own failings, in order for him to have nothing left to live for
he even says shit like "the Jedi created Darth Vader" and Rey says "yeah but a Jedi redeemed him too" and either the premise is so wrongheaded to begin with, or the writing is too weak to have him come up with any retort
given his history he also wouldn't even think of attacking his own nephew, he'd sit down with him and say "hey dude I know something or someone is occupying your thoughts, can we work this out, I'll go with you to confront it whatever it is" etc etc
or even flip it around, have Kylo standing over Luke with an ignited lightsaber, and Luke's failing was to dismiss him from the Jedi school
:idont
Here's the thing:
Rian Johnson did with what he could.
Your problem lays with JJ not him.
Who killed Han with Luke not there? JJ did. Not Rian. Who put Luke fucking Skywalker at the end of the galaxy with a hidden map to find him? JJ did. Therefore, Rian, in order to actually come up with an excuse Luke good enough to allow that to happen to fucking begin with, HAS been walked into a writing obstacle where he has validate Luke's decisions. TLJ is the result. What you cannot accept is that the premise, as given in TFA, was already shit and poisoned with nowhere to go but a few destinations. Rian took to the few places it could go for Luke's character naturally.
You say "how could he create a Luke that was fine with Han and Leia dying?" as if TFA, the movie where Luke was absolutely fine letting Han get killed by his own son, doesn't exist.
You can pick on Rian Johnson all you want, but make a Luke that wants the Jedi gone is interesting, and he's right. To think there's no Light without Jedi is vanity. Everything he said was correct.
You can pick on Rian Johnson all you want, but make a Luke that wants the Jedi gone is interesting, and he's right. To think there's no Light without Jedi is vanity. Everything he said was correct.
Rian didn't even believe this
by the end of his own movie he's subverted everything everyone keeps trotting out as being so brilliant and inspiring, he didn't commit to any of it, and in fact puppeted out yoda to say why luke was wrong, and had luke refute the actual title of the movie
the movie should've ended with kylo reaching out to rey after asking for her support, which mirrors the ending of TFA with a similar reach
You can pick on Rian Johnson all you want, but make a Luke that wants the Jedi gone is interesting, and he's right. To think there's no Light without Jedi is vanity. Everything he said was correct.
Rian didn't even believe this
by the end of his own movie he's subverted everything everyone keeps trotting out as being so brilliant and inspiring, he didn't commit to any of it, and in fact puppeted out yoda to say why luke was wrong, and had luke refute the actual title of the movie
the movie should've ended with kylo reaching out to rey after asking for her support, which mirrors the ending of TFA with a similar reach
I agree about the lack of commitment and if you read my thoughts on the movie it's my biggest problem with it. I think he wanted to commit but Disney made him back out. Once Rose says "we fight for what we love" it gets all Disney on us.
No matter what your thoughts, what is the most unbelievable in all of this is that somehow Disney entered into the development of a three movie sequel series to a 6 movie story arc WITHOUT an overarching plot and no control over what the directors were going to do with characters that had been solidly characterised for decades. This is in spite of owning the biggest movie franchise in history which has been successful BECAUSE it has had a long-term plot mapped out before they even began filming anything.You forgot the part where when they decided to dump the guy they had wrap up the trilogy they went back to the guy who they hired who hadn't bothered to do any of that stuff in the first place and has an aversion to wrapping up stories at all. :lol
The whole thing is astounding.
I hated TLJ at release so much I legit thought I'd never see Ep 9... But then the script leaks and reactions made TRoS a must-see if only to be apart of a good ol' non-political-based film bashing. We don't seem to have too many of those (Morbius being the most recent).
In hindsight there's things to appreciate in TLJ. Mostly the cinematography.
I hated TLJ at release so much I legit thought I'd never see Ep 9... But then the script leaks and reactions made TRoS a must-see if only to be apart of a good ol' non-political-based film bashing. We don't seem to have too many of those (Morbius being the most recent).
In hindsight there's things to appreciate in TLJ. Mostly the cinematography.
There's so much to appreciate in TLJ even if it doesn't entirely work. The visuals and everything are wonderful. The salt planet seems like a hoth retread but it works so well with the films theme. We are one wind blow away turning from white to red. I wanted more on Luke's Jedi planet. I loved everything with the Caretakers and the Porgs. That low key silhuouette shot with "The jedi must end." Whew! Film is an amazing looker.
I hated TLJ at release so much I legit thought I'd never see Ep 9... But then the script leaks and reactions made TRoS a must-see if only to be apart of a good ol' non-political-based film bashing. We don't seem to have too many of those (Morbius being the most recent).
In hindsight there's things to appreciate in TLJ. Mostly the cinematography.
There's so much to appreciate in TLJ even if it doesn't entirely work. The visuals and everything are wonderful. The salt planet seems like a hoth retread but it works so well with the films theme. We are one wind blow away turning from white to red. I wanted more on Luke's Jedi planet. I loved everything with the Caretakers and the Porgs. That low key silhuouette shot with "The jedi must end." Whew! Film is an amazing looker.
(https://i.imgur.com/54kNYbJ.jpg)
This shot. I can't pinpoint any other movie that inspired the feeling "I dreamt this as a kid" (right down to placement and color/lighting/etc.) as strongly as this one shot. A figment rendered flawlessly.
Mandalorian Ep 1Wait until you get to Andor. Not only a fantastic Star Wars show, but a fantastic show. Period.
Most refreshing thing from Star Wars in generations. Holy shit. My old Star Wars fanboy heart is beating and I thought it was gone.
I hated TLJ at release so much I legit thought I'd never see Ep 9... But then the script leaks and reactions made TRoS a must-see if only to be apart of a good ol' non-political-based film bashing. We don't seem to have too many of those (Morbius being the most recent).
In hindsight there's things to appreciate in TLJ. Mostly the cinematography.
There's so much to appreciate in TLJ even if it doesn't entirely work. The visuals and everything are wonderful. The salt planet seems like a hoth retread but it works so well with the films theme. We are one wind blow away turning from white to red. I wanted more on Luke's Jedi planet. I loved everything with the Caretakers and the Porgs. That low key silhuouette shot with "The jedi must end." Whew! Film is an amazing looker.
(https://i.imgur.com/54kNYbJ.jpg)
This shot. I can't pinpoint any other movie that inspired the feeling "I dreamt this as a kid" (right down to placement and color/lighting/etc.) as strongly as this one shot. A figment rendered flawlessly.
Finishing Mando s2 first.
Rogue OneSolo is decent but a very generic heist film. you could replace the cast with the Fast & Furious gang or Guardians of the Galaxy and it wouldn't make a difference.
Much better than I remember. I was wrong about it. The best Star Wars film of the new era easily. Haven't seen Solo though.
Rogue One's good because it actually started from a premise and was entirely self-contained. It's extra funny because Disney took it away, reshot it and edited the fuck out of it but they still couldn't ruin it because the core idea was too good. My favorite part is when they dropped all those shots in the first trailer that hyped everyone from the movie.
I still liked it enough to where I don't even want to complain about the Vader wank that ends it because it was the one of the few times Vader actually acted like his reputation and did so just because he was really annoyed. :lol
Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B0fc4BPlyQ
To be fair, the director's admitted they shot a lot of those just for the trailer. Including the ending shot of Jeyn being lit up.Well, that's even dumber.
https://gizmodo.com/why-the-rogue-one-trailers-most-iconic-shot-never-appea-1790910745
Mandalorian s2 is utterly horrific.
It's like a video game. Mando asks for help, someone says,"sure thing....if you help us first" almost every damn episode. It's like an open world video game with sidequests and it's the most tedious shit ever how they're trying to serialize something that was so episodic and benefited from that story format.
It makes me worry they'll fuck up Andor s2.
It actually wasn't as bad as the Plinkett review made it out to be. I have actual bad memories tied to this movie (friend died the week after it came out and it was the last movie we saw together) so I've only seen it once before this.
Honestly even Jar Jar isn't bad. He acts as a good foil to the Jedi. Without the droids there's no comedy relief. TPM has less droids overall so he acts as a replacement. It works for what it is imo.
Mandalorian s2 is utterly horrific.
It's like a video game. Mando asks for help, someone says,"sure thing....if you help us first" almost every damn episode. It's like an open world video game with sidequests and it's the most tedious shit ever how they're trying to serialize something that was so episodic and benefited from that story format.
It makes me worry they'll fuck up Andor s2.
The videogameness complete quest and move on of Mando isn't the reason S2 feels like a big dip in quality, its the fact that every quest feels like a promo for DLC (or to abandon the videogames metaphor, it feels a suspiciously awfully lot like a string of stealth pilot episodes for a new streaming service that needs a lot of Content quickly and isn't sure what to greenlight).
Ep 1: Why hello TIMOTHY OLYPHANT, you seem like a Character with an Engaging Backstory that would make a fine TV show about Frontier Justice as a sheriff, other commitments permitting!
Ep 3: Why hello KATEE SACKHOFF, you seem like a Character with an Engaging Backstory that would make a fine TV show about a renegade group of Mandalorians fighting different kinds of battles, and those BSG star bookings are drying up!
Ep 4: Hello again GINA CARRANO, you seem like a Character with an Engaging Backstory that would make a fine TV show about ongoing efforts to clean up the Empire, just don't say anything about The Jews or The Gays on Twitter!
Ep 5: Why hello ROSARIO DAWSON, you seem like a Character with an Engaging Backstory that would make a fine TV show about contemporary Jedi, and, oh, your series is already greenlit. Cool!
Ep6: Why hello BOBA FETT, anyone already watching this knows who you are, but none of the questions we have are answered. Also, you seem weirdly fatter and older than we remember, and curiously adverse to wearing your fucking helmet as per your Actors Guild Contract Negotitations for the series you also have already greenlit. Mysterious! In a way that your character no longer is.
Like... I'm an averageish Star Wars fan, in that I've seen the films but haven't imbibed any of the extended universe shit outside of a couple of games, and most of these castings are for characters that are already fan favorites in the extended universe AFAIK, but it really seems like they hijacked the fucking main characters show to pitch a load of possible new shows.
I have no idea what those other shows are about. I've paid so little attention to Star Wars I don't even know what shows these could be pilots for.
It actually wasn't as bad as the Plinkett review made it out to be. I have actual bad memories tied to this movie (friend died the week after it came out and it was the last movie we saw together) so I've only seen it once before this.
Honestly even Jar Jar isn't bad. He acts as a good foil to the Jedi. Without the droids there's no comedy relief. TPM has less droids overall so he acts as a replacement. It works for what it is imo.
Mostly it just fails at a lot of basic filmmaking techniques that you think George Lucas would have picked up or retained by then. The entire thing felt more like a tech demo than anything, and the choice to set it when Anakin was only 10 bizarre as well. They do a time skip for the next movie and so basically almost nothing in the first one really matters.
The sequel trilogy is just rehashed nostalgia bate, taken to 11 with the last one.
Watched Attack of the Clones and it's better and more cogent than any of the sequel movies. I said what I said. I liked it.You can't complain about Mandalorian S2 having video game fetch quests without referencing the literal 2D side-scrolling video game stage smack bang in the middle of AotC.
Watched Attack of the Clones and it's better and more cogent than any of the sequel movies. I said what I said. I liked it.You can't complain about Mandalorian S2 having video game fetch quests without referencing the literal 2D side-scrolling video game stage smack bang in the middle of AotC.
Terrible movie though.Watched Attack of the Clones and it's better and more cogent than any of the sequel movies. I said what I said. I liked it.You can't complain about Mandalorian S2 having video game fetch quests without referencing the literal 2D side-scrolling video game stage smack bang in the middle of AotC.
I sure can complain. Mando s2 is a multi episode tv show. Episode II is a complete movie with a mostly cogent core. No nonsensical Canto Blght quests like TLJ either and unlike the sequel trilogy the characters fall naturally in their place.
Star Wars announces three new films on the way, with Daisy Ridley to return as Rey
Lucasfilm has announced three new live-action films, and confirmed the return of Ridley’s Rey to build ‘a new Jedi Order’
The two new films will be overseen by the James Mangold, the director of Logan, and Dave Filoni, the co-creator of The Mandalorian TV series and director of the 2008 computer animated feature Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Kennedy said that Mangold’s movie will “tell the tale of the first Jedi to wield the Force and harness it as a liberating power in an era of chaos and oppression”, while Filoni’s film is about “the escalating war between the Imperial Remnant and the fledgling New Republic” and will “close out the interconnected stories told in The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka, and other Disney+ series”.
The third film to be announced, a project to be directed by Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy, has been known about for some time, but appears to have been dogged by changes of direction and staff departures. Obaid-Chinoy’s film will take place 15 years after The Rise of Skywalker and feature Daisy Ridley returning in the role of Rey; it will “tell the story of rebuilding the New Jedi Order and the powers that rise to tear it down”. Lucasfilm recently announced that Peaky Blinders’ Steven Knight had replaced Damon Lindelof and Justin Britt-Gibson as writers on that film.:wut